Open Forum Friday, Eggroll Squirrel Edition: January 4, 2019

Submitted by: squrlz4ever 2 weeks ago in Misc
On Wednesday, someone in New York posted the following video on Twitter of a squirrel eating an eggroll. The squirrel became an instant online celebrity, with his own hashtag: #eggrollsquirrel. 

Below the video you'll find a sampling of some of the responding quips.

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lol. nice)
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Woot woot! Our offer on a house was accepted! Assuming the inspection comes back clean, skypirate and that workshop are going to make some really cool things. 
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skypirate Gratz on the new digs! When is the housewarming party? :-D
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gohikineko Not sure exactly, I just know there is going to be a crap ton of smoked meat involved. 
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skypirate Don't forget to install a squirrel feeder. I recommend the "Squirrel Lunch Box."

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squrlz4ever I don't think that's going to happen. Not that I have any thing against squirrels, but my dogs....hey, they are dogs. And trust me, a rodent vs their jaws, no contest, lets just not go there. 
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Male 7,516
This is a basketball covered in VANTA BLACK.. It is a bit hard to look at, my brain kinda sees a hole instead of an item

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daegog That's a black hole.  Convince me otherwise!

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daegog Love this.
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Since a hot topic of this particular OFF is the recent permabanning and why it happened, it's occurred to me I should remind everyone of the following.

Please read the Community Standards. They are accessible by clicking the Standards link at the bottom of every IAB page. (I could link to them here, but I'd rather train you to know where to find them by yourselves.)

I have the sense roughly half of you are thinking, "There are Community Standards? You mean a set of rules every IAB'er is held accountable to? Really?! I didn't know that."

Please read them. They're short. It'll take you three minutes. If you're still fuzzy on what they mean, read them a second time. Once you've read them and understand them, you will completely understand how the moderators are evaluating the comments on the site.

Thanks.
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 Birthday candle on Earth vs on International Space Station


                                           Cool
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This might help get us focused and serve as a measure for comments on the site.
 

The Four Types of Conversations: Debate, Dialogue, Discourse, and Diatribe


The Four Types of Conversations

When talking with someone, it is helpful to know what type of conversation you are in. You can do so based on a conversation's direction of communication (a one-way or two-way street) and its tone/purpose (competitive or cooperative).

If you are in a one-way conversation, you are talking at someone, rather than with someone. If you are in a two-way conversation, participants are both listening and talking. In a competitive conversation, people are more concerned about their own perspective, whereas in a cooperative conversation participants are interested in the perspective of everyone involved.

Based on direction and tone, I grouped conversations into four types: debate, dialogue, discourse, and diatribe.

  • Debate is a competitive, two-way conversation. The goal is to win an argument or convince someone, such as the other participant or third-party observers.
  • Dialogue is a cooperative, two-way conversation. The goal is for participants to exchange information and build relationships with one another.
  • Discourse is a cooperative, one-way conversation. The goal to deliver information from the speaker/writer to the listeners/readers.
  • Diatribe is a competitive, one-way conversation. The goal is to express emotions, browbeat those that disagree with you, and/or inspires those that share the same perspective.
To highlight the differences between these types of conversations, let’s use politics as an example:

  • Debate: two family members from opposite sides of the political spectrum arguing over politics.
  • Dialogue: two undecided voters talking to each other about the candidates, trying to figure out who they want to vote for.
  • Discourse: a professor giving a lecture on international affairs.
  • Diatribe: a disgruntled voter venting about the election’s outcome.
It is important to know which type of conversation you are in, because that determines the purpose of that conversation. If you can identify the purpose, you can better speak to the heart of that conversation. But, if you misidentify the conversation you are in, you can fall into conversational pitfalls.

Here are a few examples of conversational pitfalls I’ve written about:

If someone appears to be in a conversational pitfall, you can help them climb back out. Regardless of how one climbs back out, the solution always starts with identifying which hole you are in. You must first know the problem before you can find the solution. And, sometimes, just identifying the pitfall itself is enough to draw attention to the problem and correct the conversation.

Parting Thoughts

When you are in a conversation, take a moment to think about which conversation you are actually in. Each of the types of conversation are meaningless on their own; you give them meaning in their use. And, ultimately, it is up to you to decide what type of conversation you want to be part of.

While this article is a discourse (I've been writing, you've been reading) it doesn't have to remain that way. Feel free to like, comment, or share before you leave. For more, check out davidwangel.com.
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daegog I think you are right.
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Female 9,819
Hey, squrlz. Do you have any update on the editor situation? 
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panth753 Per the last article calling for applications, we'll be getting back to all applicants by 11:59 PM EST tomorrow, Jan. 7. We may need to ask for an extension for a couple days because we're running behind on this task; it's been a busy few days. Thanks for asking, Panth!  :)
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Female 9,819
squrlz4ever thanks for that. I'll keep an eye out for it.
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Apparently I missed all the fun.
What I have seen over the years. Is Monk shares his stupid opinion just like everyone else. This seems to upset people who go out of their way to confront monk and somehow he's the asshole.

In all my years I've never seen monk  attack anyone who didn't come after him first. I've never seen in use vulgarity or coarse language not even once.

I've also learned that trolling is just part of living on the internet. And it always takes two to troll.

As long as we allow comments there will be trolling on I am bored. 

And whether you're called out depends on how well-liked you are. My advice is learn whos ass to kiss and you can do whatever you want. 
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dm2754  I never had much of a problem with monk. He did make me a bit aprenhesive  with his 4 words due to the modern enviroment and I do not mean Strained Carrot  Diper  Filling 
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Male 9,621
dm2754 You equate being well-liked with kissing ass? OK, but has it occurred to you that your not being well-liked may have other reasons?
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Male 13,425
dm2754 i don't think it was because of what he was saying or how well liked he was, it was because he spammed a thread or multiple threads with the same comment over and over and over.

I think you're an absolute jackass and I disagree with almost everything you say, but you shouldn't be banned for it. If, however, you start copying and pasting the same comment ad museum, GTFO.
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Male 10,070
holygod The exact numbers would be: He spammed his manifesto on 49 different boards a total of approximately 275 times. Three moderators worked for several hours to stop the attacks, contain the damage, and clean up the mess.

Another major consideration: IAB does not want to be associated with anyone who is repeatedly spamming a slogan that involves the words "death" and "presidency." That goes for every last person on IAB. You start spamming a message similar to that, you can expect to have your account shut down. Period.
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squrlz4ever is that why he asked at one point about how to go about finding all his post?
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tinfoilhatsociety I'm not really sure what was behind the request. He seemed to have the idea that if he collected all his comments from IAB, he could publish them as a book. He was asking about that before any Warning or banning occurred.

As I told him, we do not have an onstaff person with access to the tables to handle such requests. At this point, our IT person, Sunny, is only brought in occasionally to handle urgent tasks.
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squrlz4ever I don't think it was a book, it was more likely for his mysterious science job he couldn't elaborate on.
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Male 13,425
tinfoilhatsociety LOL. "Science". Monk was a scientist the way my 8 year old is an "artist".
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Male 7,516
holygod PRETTY SURE by scientist he meant janitorial engineer.
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Male 3,051
daegog Garbologist?
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Male 287
holygod you never know, for a example Ken Ham has a science degree.
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tinfoilhatsociety did not they can ham at the Ark  exhibit? 
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dm2754 
Lets not forget that his often expressed opinions were along the lines of 'atheists are stupid, Americans are weak and cowardly if they won't chant four words, and you're stupid sheeple if you don't question 9/11 and the moon landings'

He would belittle entire groups, then the individuals who responded. A few others found amusement from it. I'm sure they'd like to see him return. His behaviour shouldn't.
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jaysingrimm  so what you're saying is he shared an opinion that you disagreed with and decided to take it personally. I assume this is because you value his opinion so   highly  and that's why it matter to you.

 you've yet to make a case as to how he was different than anyone else here?
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dm2754 No, Monk got pretty nasty about things, even if you were reasonably polite to him, he wanted provocation and possibly was a masochist :/ Just a guess though.

That and spamming those slogans of his, it got old really fast.
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dm2754 here's the case: you might not like what I say, but I don't say the same thing repeatedly. That's how he was different.
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dkm458  I  agree
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IAB is a privately owned website. Users don't have a right to free speech here, although fancy has demonstrated a desire to accommodate us beyond what many would consider reasonable.

Concerns over moderation actions are best expressed in an email. Reposting deleted comments/content shows a complete lack of respect.

People that complain about echo chambers shouldn't chant the same words repeatedly, and belittle others for not joining in.

Want more varied content? Don't complain that help is being requested to get that content up.

If asked to leave, recognize you are no longer welcome. Want to know what I do with people trespassing at the bar?
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jaysingrimm This is probably the most intelligent comment on the entire board, made by a person who works professionally to maintain standards of behavior and civil conduct. The comment ought to have 30 upvotes. Sadly, it's almost lost in the noise of a lot of armchair experts, several of whom are spreading misinformation, and some petty squabbling.
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jaysingrimm Well said. I appreciate the perspective that the people complaining now are complaining that it isn't the echochamber they want, not that it is an echochamber.
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Gerry1of1 I didn't know you were Italian
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Gerry1of1 I agree.
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Male 688
Sadly, Monk warrior is correct in his assessment of IAB.  
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dkm458 IAB doesn't infinitely tolerate rampant assholery? A damning assessment. 
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marsii Right. You’ve clearly just ignored how many of the main leftists on this harass anyone with ”wrong opinions”.
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Fojos be wrong all you want, just try to not be stupid.
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holygod Like thinking Europe has an obligation to help the whole world?
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Fojos I think humanity has an obligation to help their fellow man. I think if you were lucky enough to be born in a 1st world country you are obligated to pay it forward and provide opportunity to those struggling for opportunity. I don't believe in handouts, but I do believe in opportunity.

However, morality is subjective. Just don't post some ridiculous statistic or incorrect data and I'll probably just agree to disagree.
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Fojos I'm inclined to disagree with this statement. I am more of centrist who leans right, and while I haven't really stepped into political discussions for several months (maybe even a couple years), no one who disagreed with me has harassed me.

holygod and normalfreak2 can attest to that. Those two and I have butted heads in the past but we've always came to "Let's agree to disagree". Sometimes we even speculated on situations where it would be a middle ground for us.
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DuckBoy87 A ”centrist” with the right opinions, in other words. Try saying you’re against the refugee uptake in Europe. Or any other subject sensitive to regressives.
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Fojos lol. Complain about being insulted WHILE insulting a huge percentage of people. Nice.
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Fojos I also don't try to argue points I know nothing about. I know you are from Europe and have greater insight on the refugee situation there than most others but I'm sure my opinion would be the same as the refugee situation in America.

My view on the American refugee situation is obey the rules and laws that are currently on the book, but through legislation, try to change them if they are too strict / too loose.
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Fojos Fojos, you can say you're against the refugee uptake in Europe as much as you want. No big deal to me; I don't particularly care what opinions you hold. I do care about conduct on this site, but that's another matter.
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squrlz4ever To be fair, you’re not really the group I’m talking about.
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Fojos Point taken. 

I will say this: I'm not sure why you're headed in a liberal/conservative direction with this. The user who was banned was by no means a political conservative; he was, or liked to claim to be, a revolutionary. His ban had nothing to do with any conservative political views he may have held, if any. "Death to the Presidency!", his main political obsession, was not a conservative view.
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Fojos Oh no! Not the LEFTISTS. I think with language like that I can see how you got to where you are.
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marsii Are you claiming you are not left?
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Fojos I'm claiming you probably dish out what you can't take.
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marsii Can’t take? I’m not the one who was bullied for years by your high-five group on this site. In any case, can’t expect more intellectualism from someone who actually thinks ”unemployment is low because people work two jobs” is smart.
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Fojos who the fuck are you talking about? Did you post this in the wrong thread? I'm thinking you probably mistook logic, sources, and reasoning for harassment. 
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marsii Your Queen bee Ocasio-Cortez says hello.
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Fojos Your butt lord Trump says honky dorey.

Where the fuck are you going with this? Did you have a point? Is this how you debate? Did you get bullied by Cortez and are mad at us for it? The suspense is killing me. 
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marsii I know for a fact that you think she is great, even if she’s an imbecile who thinks Scandinavia is socialist. This says a lot about you.

P.s. I don’t care much for Trump. For me he looks just like any other US president. I do enjoy watching compilations of regressives who were absolutely sure he would never win though, because it proves how far they live from reality.
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Fojos You don't know fuck for a fact. I wouldn't have voted for her. Maybe you should buff up on your debate skills before you complain about getting bullied when you probably just got corrected.
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marsii fojos All right, let me jump in here. I'm seeing comments that are starting to veer into personal attacks. If things don't become more civil quickly, I'm going to have to start deleting.

Also: Marsii, elsewhere on this board you've been implying another user is a sockpuppet. Please stop with such charges. Thanks.
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squrlz4ever So I point out the 9 comment “exchange” above you. This is what a lot of folks have been talking about here on the board. There are several people here that I think do worse than monk. I’m glad he’s gone and I stopped engaging him months ago. I got tired of being called a retard by one member and now try my best not to engage in any political content or comments. I will sometimes if I can get a zinger in, rim shot please, but it’s better to just post goofy shit and let it go at that. As one of the more senior, in age that is, members I have a bit of a wider world experience and view. I like to share it but will not put up being called retarded by a guy that’s younger than my youngest kid.
So go post my second installment of my picture stash and let the silly times roll.
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scheckydamon Thanks. Yep. Parts of that exchange started going over the line and a moderator action (a comment) was logged against Marsii. Marsii desisted after my comment (and softened one of his own comments of his own accord). That's where it's ended. If things had continued, I would have progressed to a delete or two.
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squrlz4ever Fine, I suppose it is obvious after all. I will avoid insinuating it in the future.

Though posting his manifesto was supposed to get rid of him for good and if he's breaking that promise...
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marsii Thanks; I appreciate it. The mods look into possible cases of sockpuppetry and take them seriously. If anyone suspects sockpuppetry, he should email us using the Contact link at the bottom of every IAB page. Making such charges on the boards isn't the way to go about it. Thanks.
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marsii It depends on the source of the rampant assholery.
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DerryNH agreed they allow the bullying of Select individuals
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dm2754 
Bullying is subjective and moderating is a double edged sword.

If you have specific examples, I suggest sending an email to fancy and the mods.
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jaysingrimm I have maybe you haven't noticed.
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DerryNH Monkwarrior was the largest most recent source. Cause of nearly half of all moderation actions by last count. 
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marsii but let's keep in perspective that most of those deleted comments were in no way breaking the rules or hostile
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dm2754 Utter nonsense. Before any comment is deleted, the moderator identifies the problem relative to the Community Standards, logs an entry in the Moderator Actions Log, takes a screenshot, and files that screenshot in a common repository available for every moderator to review.

More often than not, deletions are discussed by two or more moderators before they occur.

Frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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squrlz4ever you never do.
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dm2754 Monk, ya got busted and you knew you would. Deal with it a better way.
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dm2754 DerryNH Look, he's not even gone ^^
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marsii right after all you're still here
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daegog that is a thing of beauty.
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daegog ~tries to use calendar for a few minutes~  ARRRRGHGHGHGH! That thing is so confusing it makes my head hurt.
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squrlz4ever If you know the month and day of the week, you can easily see what day it is.. or just knowing any of the two will work i suppose.
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daegog I think I understand it. It is seriously so awkward for my brain to the point of almost being painful. I think it's because it goes against the way I've been using calendars for many years and the neurons are screaming, "This is fucked up!"
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Monk 4cats crakrjak and many more. 

When will members learn the simplest way is to ignore it/someone if you disagree or find it annoying. Rather than groundhog day it.

This site escalates on individuals who don't fit the clique. Some launch crusades against members justifying it to themselves as they're trolls, annoying, broken records.... Monk would post his comment usually singular until people engaged. That was the problem now you have a guy with a vendetta and time to paste comments until he finds it not amusing anymore. 

I agree with a lot of the time limited comment although disagree that content is starting to get more varied. And the point of editors is to try broadening further. 

Side point. I don't know why you invest soo much time in the site Squrlz. 
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jayme21 very true. When you look at all these band members they would get into lengthy arguments with people who wanted to get into lengthy arguments. It's almost as if they have nothing better to do that day they must have been really bored
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jayme21 I don't know who crakrjak is so the "many more" might be a bit of an embellishment. 
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marsii I remember crakrjak as the first person I saw get a parody account of himself being mocked and rounded on. It was long ago and drove him off the site. He seemed inline with 5cats politically and was living on disability welfare in texas(?). His avatar was the Obey cap. That vexed people who viewed it as hypocritical being  a righty while in receipt of welfare. Another i remember is another scottish woman name beginning with m(?) Maybe Madduck? She was pressured off. Where as others have left more naturally like Opie. I've not kept a list but have seen different grudges escalate on here until you get a big escalation and a rounding on an individual and it left. After the sites recent rejuvenation after 5cats a few of us even commented who would be targeted next and we've seen it. The site has been going for a very long time the same behaviour cycle seem to be getting more stark and more often. Jayme is the latest return i had previous accounts. 
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jayme21 Madduck's still here now and then, you're thinking of another lady that kitty9 kicked out, her name eludes me :/ McGuffin? I think that's it.

crakrjak was on disability insurance, there's not one thing wrong with collecting insurance you paid your whole life for: that's is what it is intended for! And kissing government ass for it is not a requirement, nor is holding a specific political position, eh? I found that attacking him (and myself) for that disgusting (not that you did it of course!) and have zero tolerance for such nonsense.

OpieBreath was a sweetie! She had charisma that leaked through the internets to grace IAB's pages! She found a real life, complete with girlfriend! Good for her.

But yeah, there's still a few nasty people around and hopefully they'll be kept in check. A lot of nice people of both right and left have abandoned IAB or been driven out :/
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jayme21 I thought you were talking about bans. People leave, yes and some people have left because of Monkwarrior. I would defend the mods in their actions if that's the criticism but if people don't like the fact that most people here are liberals then I can't help that.
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marsii with all due respect you missed the point. I have no issue with most current members being US termed liberal. It's more interesting seeing points of view you disagree with and either reaffirms or changes your beliefs. 
I pointed how a subset of members like to repeatedly start arguments with people until they force them off site. Either by getting a banworthy response or attrition so the member feels bullied out. When the line is crossed ban away mods, do what they gotta do there was no criticism there. But the ground hog day attacks until that line is crossed doesn't serve to enrich this site.
And yes they themselves don't have to rise to it either. Point is there is form to the behaviour but the minority views are the ones beingpushed away.
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jayme21 I've ignored many members over the years: some got the message and left me alone. I'd give them another opportunity to be nice (and I strove to be nice also!) and usually we reconciled.

Others continued to hound and harass me, even after weeks and months they'd bombard the boards with 2-3 attacks a day! And those were just the ones directly in reply to me, there were tons of others I didn't get notifications of. I saved them from one member (they were in my inbox anyhow, just tossed them unread into a file) it was a lot and they were not welcome. Eventually he wised up, but it took 3 times of going through that.

Other variations arose too of course, I'm just saying that ignoring them and refusing to 'rise to the bait' won't stop all of them: some will gladly "double down" on the hate and think it means they are winning or something :x
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I vote for monk to comeback. Maybe I'm the weird one who knows how a close button works, or has a thick skin and doesn't get butt hurt over a comment (just scroll down, it's not a secret). Not my site, not my rules, just me talking out loud. 
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skypirate me too. Monk was always very amusing. And I found him quite funny. ( even though he could be quite repetitive and not very original)

Maybe there is something to the claim that Christians face the most intolerant?
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skypirate I too learned a long time ago that simply not replying was the best solution.  However, in this case, the line was crossed one too many times.  To use a gif from Mel:



It got to a point where none of us have the time or patience to deal with it any more.  And even if you ignored him, he would be more than happy to troll you with comments.  Something many users complained about.

Monk may come back, as 5cats did.  It's not out of the question.
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skypirate I tend to agree, I decided to stop engaging with him regarding religion and didn't have much of an issue with him after that. As you rightly say the ability to scroll down or shut the page was adequate for me.
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skypirate I never had a serious problem with him because I seldom engaged with him and when I did I was (generally) polite and specific. It was frustrating because after three or four exchanges in a discussion if he felt he wasn't winning he would revert to "Only God can tell." Conversation over.

However, his contant pasting of the same comments jamming up threads was drag - and took up a lot of mod time.

However, I think he's burned his boats by crashing the site.
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LordJim Honestly though how is that different than anyone else?
 a lot of guys when they can't make it valid point they resort to repeating the same argument over and over.

 as far as jamming up threads. Is there even such a thing?  
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dm2754 If you don't know what a Derp Vortex is, you're either new to IAB or you haven't been paying attention.
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So i started re watching startrek voyager. I was thinking about those holodecks and food replicators. Are you allow to do criminal acts with in that simulation, like rape murder  or other acts. Or would they police that and say it was a gate way to doing the real act. With the food replicators can you replicate human flesh/meat to be consumed. Or if some one is into urine therapy can you replicate that. I love having a morbid curiosity about certain things
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tinfoilhatsociety Why not? It could be called "therapy" eh? lolz! You could holo-deck inter-species sex easily enough...
The Replicator, Transporter and Holodeck are 3 of the key things that made Star Trek a cool show... and 3 of the stupidest ideas ever! Lolz! That and Rodenberry's insistence there "was no money in the future"... riiiight!
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tinfoilhatsociety Maybe they addressed in on of the episodes. I don't think i seen all the episodes of all series that they created
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tinfoilhatsociety actually there was a good episode on Deep Space Nine when cork is trying to get a scan of Kira. a patron wanted to have sexual relations with Kira but was willing to settle for a simulation of her.

 in Star Trek the Next Generation a married woman discovers that's Geordi laforge was attempting to have intimate relationship with Recreation of harder on the Holodeck.

 unfortunately the show didn't go into too much details. Other than questioning whether it was a violation     
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tinfoilhatsociety Actually, The Orville's 2nd episode of season 2 deals with some Holodeck questions we all have had.  I'm actually enjoying it so far, very much the "Trek" I miss.

As for the Replicators, I would be replicating weed and Doritos all day long!
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tinfoilhatsociety they had an episode where B'Ellana Torres was breaking holodeck protocols to allow injuries in recreated battles. But she was head of engineering. The hirogen also did something similar hunting and killing prey. So it seems there is a limit programmed into it as they had to create custom programs and break the rules. 
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jayme21 That's right, but the prey couldn't harm or kill the Hirogen, or something, so it quickly became really boring for them :/ Seemed like a good idea but it was 'ersatz': an inferior substitute.
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Male 46,093
Monk is my friend. I don't believe he'd do that.
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Gerry1of1 Your friend was an asshole to almost everyone else and a lot of us are glad he's gone.
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marsii I believe Warrior monk was the only one on this site that  was never an asshole.

 everyone here has been an ass hole  at one time or another.
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dm2754 Really? Well, you are free to believe whatever you want, I suppose.
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marsii I agree with jayme21. He was engaged, comment for comment, by the usual dozen or so members, then accused of spamming.
   There are plenty of assholes on here who cannot disagree without an attempt to insult and demean the person they’re disagreeing with.
  The same thing happened with 5cats. 
  One in particular has regularly insulted and vilified huge segments of the U.S. population, and gets a free pass. 5cats insulted people who tend to lean to the far left, and was accused of hate speech.
  It gets tiresome.
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DerryNH Thanks for the support DerryNH! I try to "not be an asshole" but I'm only human feline eh? I slip up :/
We just have to pick our battles and try to ignore the hate-spamming trolls. It does get tiresome though.
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DerryNH very true. I have seen many arguments where a moderator disagrees with another person's point of view and resorts to personal attacks and it solves it up with threats of banning.

we are all flawed people. we all lose our temper sometimes. and on occasions we all try to start some shit
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dm2754 You wrote: "I have seen many arguments where a moderator disagrees with another person's point of view and resorts to personal attacks and it solves it up with threats of banning."

"Many arguments," you say? OK, then it should be easy for you to provide examples. I'm listening. Let's hear it.
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DerryNH There are some who agree with you and jayme21, including myself.  The downvotes and brigading within three hours of your comments does suggest the involvement of the clique with some even going as far as to suggest gatekeeping with regards to being able to comment on a forum.

While not defending Monk's current actions, which are quite irrational and stupid, others are not blameless in this situation, with the except of the pedo comments Monk made several months ago which were beyond tolerance imo.  But it will depend on what direction the site truly wishes to go.  I think there are others who feel the same way but are fearful of reprisals from various posters for stating such.  Myself, I don't give a shit either way, I'm here to look at random articles and tits, not to put up with random drama bullshit.
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Beaverfever "I'm here to look at random articles and tits"
Not beavers?
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semichisam I save that for the "other" sites.
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Beaverfever If downvotes are scaring you then you should know that nobody has gotten banned for being downvoted and it doesn't affect your ability to post. Most people don't agree with 5Cats and he still comments and posts and yes, I think that's a good thing. I would never suggest the site hide user comments based on how much we agree but when the user flaunts the rules regularly then the mods are justified in banning. Regarding submitted content; maybe that's a little different as the site wants to post what people want to see but the mods have been trying to get multiple perspectives by looking for editors. Can't really say the site or the mods are at fault if nobody takes up the mantle.
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marsii It's cute how you purposely confuse a symptom with a cause. 
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Beaverfever Ah yes, the vague condescending nugget of wisdom that's actually bullshit. How wise. Toodles!
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marsii Ah.  So you just pile-on rather than debate?  Got it.  Useful for the future.
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Beaverfever Yeah, it's pretty much all he ever does. Shit all over the place then blame others for it :/
That and hate-spamming.
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gohikineko beaverfever 5Cats is pretty much my most committed follower. He says everywhere else that he ignores me but then tries to talk shit to other users about me when he's clearly obsessed and really likes to talk about me. He's just to embarrassed to talk to me directly. 
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Beaverfever It's cute you pretend you want a debate and confuse a trite witticism for an argument. Do you have a position worth arguing or do you want to call a symptom a cure worse than a disease over a bridge too far?
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DerryNH You have < 600 comments. That might indicate that you don't interact with anyone that much relative to people who are more active. If you were here for the show; we don't care, we're sick of doing the show.
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marsii "you don't interact with anyone that much"
His profile shows an average of a comment every five days over the past four months. Monkwarrior often had dozens of comments a day. If those were the only options, I know which I would prefer.

"we're sick of doing the show."
I'm sorry to hear that. What show are you doing?
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semichisam How many of those were in this thread alone? I don't get your angle. If you have gathered that Monkwarrior and Derry are great friends and MW's ban was unjustified then I think you can do better than average post count. My point still stands. The cause of 50% of mod actions is gone and that's a good thing. Go ahead and debate that instead of being a contrarian. 
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marsii "If you have gathered that Monkwarrior and Derry are great friends and MW's ban was unjustified..."

I did not write either of those things. I have no reason to think either of those things. I am responsible only for what I write, not what you imagine.

I do agree with DerryNH that some IAB users seemed unable to refrain from responding to monkwarrior's taunts, sometimes accounting for the majority of comments in a thread. What MW wants is recognition. He got it, and he is still getting it. To him, commenting to or about him equals recognition of his superiority over lesser humans. I'm finished with him, whether he comes back or not. The rest of you are welcome to continue with your unhealthy obsession.
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semichisam Right, you just jump in a discussion without reading enough of the prior replies to understand what you're arguing. That's why you don't think you said that but that's how it comes off. 

Glad you agree with Derry. Tell Derry, not me. 
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marsii "That's why you don't think you said that but that's how it comes off."

I know exactly what I have written, and I stand by it. I mean what I write, and nothing more. If you find hidden meanings in it, you should consider keeping them hidden.
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semichisam Maybe if you don't have a point to make you shouldn't try to make a point. 
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marsii "Maybe if you don't have a point to make you shouldn't try to make a point."
That's the best advice I've seen today.
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marsii Is there a magic number of comments that makes one a legitimate commenter? I guess I haven’t reached that point yet. Have you?
  I may not interact much  but I still read comments, though considerably less lately.
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DerryNH So you were just here for the show. Got it. Sorry, you'll have to participate for fun now.
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marsii Is that a criticism? Please clarify your point.
  Is a thousand comments enough? 1500? I know it must be less than 2,000.
 
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DerryNH You'll get there if we keep this up. Let's clarify: last time you commented was a month ago, then another month before that. Then you come here all indignant that the cause of half of all moderation actions is gone and you didn't even have to deal with the comments on this site. Maybe your opinion counts a bit less than the people who actually comment or even less than those who actually moderate. 
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marsii someone expressed an opinion. You felt the need to investigate thier account to see if you could discredit them? Rather than just debate the point. 

The basic point of Derry that monk was only a problem for those who engaged with him comment for comment still stands. (Except mods they were forced by the behaviour of everyone)
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jayme21 That's correct, Monk was a problem for people who commented often or would like to comment often. Derrry isn't one of those people so I don't think his opinion carries much weight.

Point debated. 
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DerryNH maybe you weren't here much at the time champ, but he wasn't accused of hate speech because he disagreed with people.

He was accused of hate speech for telling people to fuck their mothers and sisters, using gay pejoratives, telling people to kill themselves, and posting multiple pictures of dead and dismembered squirrels at squrlz.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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holygod Wrong. I remember his comment, I remember the accusation,  I remember the exact reason given for the accusation.
   Are you able to disagree with someone without coming across as a total dick?
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DerryNH With regards to 5Cats, it was Fancy's choice to ban that account.  It is what led to the creation of the Mod team.  So no, it had nothing to do with 5Cats harping on the lefties.  It had everything to do with the progressing threatening attacks toward other users, leading up to the posting of images of dead and dismembered squirrels directed at Squrlz as Holygod states.

That was not the Mods decision, that was all Fancy who banned him for that reason, and rightfully so.  It was the Mods that allowed 5Cats to come back. At this point he has not gone down road again and I'm glad for that, he is part of the community.  That option is also open for Monk as well, if he chooses to do so.
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kalron It was a series of unprovoked attacks against myself and innocent bystanders that went on for weeks without anything behind them but hate. 3 key players were involved, but others jumped in now and then to make it even more intolerable. I told them I'd respond in the same way they were offending me and they did not heed that warning, so I did it.
It wasn't the first time one of them had done this exact same thing, only before he didn't get followers to also harass me without merit or mercy.

Fancy didn't do a damn thing to help me either time, or several other occasions of harassment or stalking that surely would be hammered hard now. He did step in once, long ago, but Kitty9 talked him out of it :/ Sheesh.
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gohikineko look, I don't want to get into this again. You know where I stand. I asked for you to be let back and made it a condition if they wanted me back.

However, you are never going to convince me that telling someone to kill themselves or posting pictures of eviscerated animals is an appropriate response to someone accusing you of having another internet account. I don't think a single member of this site agrees with you on this.
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holygod I get what you're saying, but the things they said weren't as important as the other things:
- multiple persons doing it, egging each other on
- dragging bystanders into it
- weeks of ongoing harassment
- refusal to discuss it rationally
& etc.
Those don't really need anything 'really bad' to be said, they are by themselves bad enough things, ok? My frustration boiled over, to be sure!
Thanks for asking to let me come back, with multiple Mods this sort of thing should never happen again eh? :-)
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gohikineko I missed you. I abhor most of what you believe, but I genuinely enjoyed our sparring sessions. I'll never miss monk. He brought nothing to the table but annoyance.
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kalron 5cats was at times jovial and exceedingly friendly and other times he was angry, nasty, and vicious. So now he is just focusing on being the former. Monk was that same person all day every day. He didn't have mood swings, that was just him. If he got banned for being monk I'm not sure what he could do other than completely change his personality.
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holygod There is validity to this statement.  The key word is "change".  That is a determining factor in this and all cases.

In all honesty, and it is definitely recorded on IAB in the comments, 5Cats issued his own warning after the first temp ban was applied to the Monk account 3-4 months ago.  IMHO I felt that warning was heeded, there was a person that some could actually converse with for awhile.  But that changed back recently and now we see the results.

That is about all I can say on the matter at this point.  But again, the important word of the day:

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DerryNH you obviously DON'T. He posted pictures of dead squirrels with the squirrels cut open and their guts splayed out.

If you disagree with me, great. I might call you a fucking idiot and I may come across as a dick. But I can promise you I will be perfectly friendly to you in anther post and I guarantee I will never personally attack you our tell you to kill yourself.

I disagree with almost everything 5cats said, thought he was incapable of rational thought, was often dishonest or idiotic while being cocky about it. However as a person I like him, hope he is doing well, and would do anything to help him.

It is not a left / right thing. I insulted 5cats because he played the game too. I don't think I've ever insulted other conservatives who don't insult people too.
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holygod I sought to illustrate how vulgar and offensive they were being. They were far beyond the line of reasonable conduct and attacking innocent bystanders for being conservative was the last straw for me.
If one can't stand a picture they dislike on the internet? Perhaps they need to figure out why that picture was being put their. It was not threats or any such thing. iirc there were 5 total vs hundreds of flashoods, accusations and attacks. Easily hundreds.

Perfectly friendly... next time? You? lolz! Maybe after a few months of being ignored. Perhaps those were just 'dark periods' for you or something? But you certainly carried a grudge for months without much help or reason to. You've greatly improved lately, but you sure carried a grudge against Monk...
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holygod and if you remember before that 5cats had been called a paedophile repeatidly by a certian  member. Who also tried getting site managers to contact law enforcement with his IP address. 5cats for a long time couldn't post without being instantly insulted. Yes he was a broken record, but from his perspective he posted he got a ton of shit directed at him for his past posting not the current post. He fought back in what he viewed as proportionately and he was beyond the pale. 

And it never would have got that bad if both sides just didn't engage. The general thrust of the complaints is as with 5cats and now Monk there are 2 sides and when the target gets pushed out one side celebrates their victory as if they did nothing wrong and we wonder who will be the next target.
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jayme21 And the worst part was: even though I tried my best to ignore him entirely? Other seemingly random folks would suddenly say things like:
"Why should I listen to a paedophile like you?" 
That really caused trouble! And Fancy refused to lift a finger (that I ever heard of) it went on for weeks... I kept begging for help. I do note that several IAB members spoke out against it, that was heartening! But others stayed silent who should have said something, they lost a great deal of my respect :<
So it came to my warning him (and Fancy) I'd be the one contacting real authorities: that was the only thing that seemed to work, and by God I would have with just one more provocation too. Probably wouldn't have come to anything, but maybe!
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jayme21 All right, Jayme. I'm going to step in right here and correct some misinformation you're spreading.

Back in 2017, I never "tried getting site managers to contact law enforcement with [5cats] IP address." Never happened, and I don't know where you're getting that from. Nor did I "repeatedly call" that user a pedophile. I did repeatedly state I was uncomfortable with a job he'd been holding considering some of the content he'd been posting.

Was it an insinuation? Yes. Was it a personal attack? Yes. Did I go too far? Also yes.

You know why all that happened? Do you? Ask yourself that.

It happened because IAB had no moderators. 

5cats' language and verbal abuse had gotten increasingly worse in the months leading up to that blow-up. I was outraged by some of his comments. I let fly with a nasty attack, and should never have gone where I did. 5cats had needed a moderator to tell him, "Look, you can't repeatedly tell people to "go fuck your mother, little boy" when they disagree with you. I needed a moderator to tap me on the shoulder and state, "That's a personal attack; it's dirty and beneath you. Don't go there."

Is 5cats sorry for the abusive language (and later, photos) he put on the site? Yes. That's why he's here now as Gohikineko. Am I sorry for the insinuation and smears I made toward 5cats? Yes. That's why I'm here now as a moderator.

As some of my fellow mods know, I'm taking the moderator role on IAB very seriously partly as a way to make amends for my own bad behavior. You asked earlier why I spend so much time working on this site and that, in part, is your answer. I also have a great affection for a website where interesting people -- and gargoyles, and aliens and squirrels -- can share ideas and entertaining items they've come across online. It's a beautiful place when it's working and I want it to work.

Now, in regards to your oft-repeated charge of a "clique." In the past two weeks, I have invited you to apply to become an IAB editor. Twice. I told you we were looking for conservatives to ensure we have some thought diversity in the kind of content that goes up. My second offer I made by email. I told you the total time commitment was two to three hours per week. I suggested you could try the role for 90 days and resign the position if it was too much. You're too busy, you told me.

Now you're complaining about a clique. I honestly don't know what to say about that other than to observe that nothing gets fixed without some work.
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squrlz4ever Why talk of moderation? where have I criticised moderation? Or even your moderation? Since it's come in. I even said a mods got to do what they got to do, in an earlier comment in respect to monk. Which I never saw the incident just trusting the mods. I also said monk is wrong about content and pointed out the editor roles are trying to broaden content further. I haven't criticised the work or attempts to improve the site.
I am busy that doesn't exclude an opinion and is irrelevant to what I said. It's same charge made elsewhere about comment counts. When you quit you had lurkers/ people join specifically to give opinions and support you. Did their opinions mean any less due to their level of engagement? I also said I could be freer after August when current commitment ceased. Because yes I am busy.

You just attacked me without breaking rules because I went against the clique by suggesting 5cats wasn't the only aggressor.  This is the point you attacked me by mis contextualising. I never attacked moderation you insinuate I did by giving a robust defence. You out of contexted my ability to volunteer to imply my commitment and opinion are less valid. Look through the boards as you have noticed and stepped in defence of monk same names jumping onto those comments and it's getting personal.

I specifically left your name out to not get personal. The point was yes 5cats crossed the line sending pictures as Holygod said but 5cats wasnt in isolation. Same way Monk was not in isolation. I apologise that my memory was not perfect but I do believe it was in the ballpark of what happended. Im not going to search comment threads to get specifics and it may have been 5cats replies that talked about IP reporting. I know there was talk about it being reported. But even here, how annoyed did you just get at what you saw as an unfair representation of that event. That's what happens to the 'troublemakers' all the time.

I've oft repeated a group here engages with someone negatively until it escalates into the 5cats situation or the monk situation. Then for lack of a better word 'rewrites history' to make it one sided. I'm attacking the 1 sided ness of the history. Until some people recognise their part in the Tango,  accept their part it's likely to happen again. Moderation or no moderation.

And yes before I get another whatabouterry I had said to both 5cats and Monk just drop it and don't engage at some point.

I just misjudged time writing this and now I'm running late. So I'm going to take my own advice not engage further. 
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squrlz4ever *sigh* you didn't outright directly say it, (as in: 'I will contact the RCMP' or  'Others should contact the RCMP') you formed it as a question. Same damn thing though. You did apologize and I did accept that, but don't pretend it didn't happen.

(to paraphrase) "Shouldn't someone contact the RCMP if they're concerned about this paedophile working in a daycare?" (something along those lines)
A couple of variations, iirc there were 3 of these in total? I think the others were "Won't someone contact..." and "If only someone would do something (ie: contact the RCMP) about..." but not sure of the exact words after all this time. Even once is far too many though, it was an actual threat to my physical safety.

I sincerely am sorry for some of my past language & behaviour, towards yourself and others and won't be repeating that (or the photos!) again, I truly hope.

You're doing good as a Mod, S4, not perfect but, in some ways, better than I'd be. So I've (hopefully, I don't recall any) not given any negative criticism, and I recall some words of praise? At least of encouragement :-) I know it's a thankless job and I note you actively recruited 'other minded folks' (like melcervini! a fine choice!) to round out the Mods team. Good!

I think your casting for a 'submissions mod' is a fine idea too: but it's a hard and thankless job as well, I lack the skills for it (and time because I waste a lot of time on stupid on-line games *sigh*) so I'll stick to hitting the Submit button now and then :-) following your suggestions (which I saved).
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gohikineko Well, I'm going to steer clear of particulars about our former conflict.

Instead, let me just offer this: A public, heartfelt apology. I was way out-of-line in 2017 when we had that blow-up. I behaved despicably. If I could turn back time and do a do-over, I'd never make some of the comments I made and I'm sorry for them.

As I've mentioned elsewhere on this board, one of the reasons I'm volunteering my time now is to make amends for my bad behavior. In short, I'm doing what I can to create an IAB where the kind of blow-up you and I had back in 2017 cannot occur.

I've been glad to have you back here. The other mods and I have been really happy you've been a positive member of the IAB community ever since your return as Gohikineko. Good job; great turnaround.
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jayme21 I think squrlz was wrong to post the pedophile stuff. i said so at the time. I believe he apologized later. 

However I was SUPER ACTIVE leading up to the banning and nobody was accusing him of it at the time. The thing that people were saying that upset him, according to him, was that he had sock puppet accounts. For the life off me I can't understand why that bothered him so much, but that was why he did what he did.
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holygod and there in is the point. 5cats wasn't in isolation. From his perspective he was just giving back what he got. 

I agree about sock puppets. But look at the whole NPC stuff, literally seen people say it's against human rights, dehumanizing, will lead to Nazis. Yet Russian bots was fine. People need to grow up.
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holygod Because (I'm sure I've told you this 2-3 times already) multiple IAB members:
- they attacked innocent bystanders
- they spammed their hate across all the boards
- they refused to actually discuss the topic, just hate and spam

One time Markust did actually talk about the topic (once!) and even he had to admit there was no evidence at all: just accusations. He demanded others 'prove they are real' which is... justified? Did he ever prove he was real? Have you? What garbage. Eventually one actually DID prove beyond ANY doubt he was a real person, Markust did apologize to him... but not to me in the slightest. :/

For me it wasn't the repeated baseless attacks from a certain member, it was the 3+ of them ganging up on completely innocent IAB persons whose politics they didn't like. Even you must agree: that's disgusting.
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DerryNH I remember being accused, by Monk, of being a pedophile multiple times.  For about a year anytime I posted any comment he would reply calling me a troll and sock-puppet. Frankly I'm surprised he lasted this long.  And his manifesto shows how much of an asshole he is. In the last paragraph he says he's leaving for good -- then in the next sentence he says he'll be back with random accounts to basically troll the website.
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lockner01 and how is that any different from what you've done on this website? We can easily make an argument for you being one of the top 10 trolls on this website also.
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dm2754 Please back up your claim with examples. Are you referring to the multiple times I've shown that posts you've made have either been fake news or bullshit?  Because that's not being a troll. 
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lockner01 my mistake I forgot you're too much of a troll to be reasoned with. I guess it's time to go back to ignoring you.

 so go back to believing it's not you it's everyone else 
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dm2754 So I asked you to provide examples. You respond by just calling me a troll. How is this reasoning with anything?  If you can't back up a claim please don't make it.
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lockner01 I can’t defend  a lot of what Monk wrote, but one thing is clear: he was called out and provoked, and often.
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DerryNH if you tell me the earth might be flat I'll probably call you out and make fun of you for it. Sorry.
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holygod I have to say, this is a very funny comment. Oh man. Talk about comic relief.
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DerryNH I would agree with some of that. Do you have any idea how many hours I have spent on this website deleting comments attacking Monk and issuing Notices and Warnings to the offenders? One member was permabanned in large part because of personal attacks directed at Monk.

The mods worked hard to shield Monk from personal attacks. It's a little galling now to see some on this board suggesting that the moderators targeted Monk. That is not at all true; it is the very opposite of the truth.
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DerryNH He was called out for years because he was an asshole, which ultimately got him banned. Most of the time, probably 99.9%, he was the provoker. He knew exactly what he was doing -- he knew the buttons to push to get a rise out of people.
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DerryNH I have no idea why the mods tolerated his blatant disrespect this long, If i became a mod my first action would have been getting rid of his ass.
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daegog It was mostly because he skirted the line, and then when told to rein it in, he did... for awhile. But then he'd inch up to the line, then he was told to rein it in, and he complied. Rinse and repeat.

It's just this last time was the straw that broke the camel's back, on both sides, really.
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DuckBoy87 Yup, that's a pretty accurate assessment of it. They gave him lots of chances and he cast them all aside.

It wasn't the first time, he (long ago) used to embed links to some weird religious site as if they were legit, on-topic links :/ Very naughty! He got hammered for about a year iirc? for that.
Ah well, hope he finds happiness somewhere else.
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Gerry1of1 Do what, Gerry? Not sure I'm following.
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melcervini oh that's bad. Lol
 it's seriously made me laugh out loud
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dm2754 I'll never be able to go toy shopping the same again.
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Can you picture what will be?
So limitless and free
Desperately in need
Of some stranger's hand
In a desperate land

Just get on a f'n eagle already, we dind't to see walking and walking and walking. W/e, as momma said, stupid is as stupid does. 
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melcervini good damn it I love you.
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melcervini Parkour Kitty!  We have one, but he bounds between tall objects upward.
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Should this be considered Tragic?

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daegog No.
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daegog Wasshe an anti-vaxer?
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holygod Apparently so.  If someone has a child and lost them due to an illness that could have been prevented by a vaccine, should they be prosecuted the same way someone who goes that "pray-away" route?  Child Neglect?
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kalron absolutely.  Here's a case from 2016 that happened in Alberta: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/meningitis-trial-verdict-1.3552941 

The parents tried to treat their child who had meningitis with natural remedies that included hot peppers and cider vinegar.
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lockner01 Hm, I think I remember that case now.  

I personally hate needles, I have an actual phobia of them.  But I don't fuck around when something is medically required, I suck it up and get that shot or get that blood drawn.

This whole Anti-Vaxer craze is blown out of control.  There is no proof to their cause and TONS of evidence showing how a simple shot can prevent the spread of disease and death.

Logic people...
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kalron Here's hint from an old school nurse I know; don't look away. If you watch the needle going in it is far less stressful.
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LordJim When we were getting my eldest his 1st needles as an aware toddler (not as a baby, those were earlier) he was fighting against being held so he couldn't see.  The nurse insisted that his head be held away.  We finally overruled the nurse and let him watch.  he was far more interested in watching what was happening.  he never cried or flinched when it went in.
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punko I guess practice varies. The nurse who told me this had over 30 years experience of sticking needles in kids. Much loved lady in the school, I think that helps as well; it's someone you know and trust and not a brisk, impersonal procedure.
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LordJim I did that the last time I had to get blood dye pumped into me for an MRI.  It actually worked...although I still couldn't control my movements, it took 2 nurses to hold my arm down.  I just sat there apologizing profusely :)
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kalron I can't find it on Youtube but there is a scene in one of the Carry On films where Jim Dale (lovely bloke by the way, worked with him) approaches a patient;

"What are you going to do?"
"Just a little prick with a needle."
"Ican see that, but what are you going to do?"
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daegog Conspiracy theory. Already. I am thinking it was more the meningitis than the flu.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bre-paytons-death-strange/
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daegog

I am Darwin, and I approve this message.
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daegog Flu shot for someone her age is typically optional unless she has underlying health conditions.
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marsii It is recommended by the CDC that everyone over the age of 6 months be vaccinated-not only to protect themselves, but to protect those who cannot be immunized due to medical conditions or being younger than 6 months.
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DoktorI Yeah, but I wouldn't call it Darwinism, despite getting the shot myself. 
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marsii Darwinism? Part of darwinism is those creatures that cannot recognize/escape danger will not live to breed and pass their stupid genes on.  
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daegog No, it should be considered natural selection.  Since New Years, I've hospitalized two patients with influenza, and neither had gotten the flu shot (which covers H1N1).  Neither thought they needed to get it, because they were healthy.

I just hope Ms. Payton did not infect anyone before her untimely passing.
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daegog Relative.  For her family of course this is tragic. She's only 26.

that said . . .

poetic, albeit cruel, justice .
An example of natural selection.
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When I was young



Now
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For your viewing pleasure:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087903/

Yes! Its "The Perils of Gwendoline in the Land of the Yik Yak (1984)"
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5qESjt5HOQ
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daegog   Yep. Done that
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Gerry1of1 Redesigned and modified a powered pallet jack to carry a dry ice powered ice-box to carry 3 stainless steel trays each carrying 18 14 lb lead pots containing radiopharmaceuticals.  And yes, many times did the process design team take the powered jack for a spin during development. 
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Gerry1of1 Me too.
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mentott510 Me three.
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drwhowho Yup fell off and busted my ass.
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Is there anyone left to debate evolution left?  

Flat Earth?

?

I feel lonely now
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Gerry1of1  flat Earth?? Evidence shows the Earth to be a spheroid. The moon is flat. That is why humans only see one side
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thezigrat  As for evolution all  the most  intelligent creatures   evolved from the period humans called the Avalon explosion.
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Gerry1of1 Those weren't debates. They were more like tantrums.

That being said, if there are any creationists on IAB, we can all probably have a serious debate now without the comments being clogged, and I encourage any creationists to submit creationist (vs evolution) content for us to all discuss!

Same with any flat Earthers on IAB. Submit meaningful flat Earth content so that we can discuss it!
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DuckBoy87 I don't understand why anybody is upset about a large amount of comments?
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dm2754 It's not the quantity of comments, it's the quality of comments. 

Oftentimes it was monk and another going back and forth with one or two word replies trying to see who can have the last word, even when nothing was exchanged.

As someone else said, eventually all conversations with monk got to "Only God can tell". And once it got to that, no matter what was said before, the conversation deludes into drivel.

I'd rather see a post only get two comments when the comments are meaningful and well thought out, rather than 200 comments of "No, you're wrong" "Only God can tell"
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DuckBoy87 I see your point.
 although it does take two to have a fight. Why do we not punish both? why do we act like who started it matters when both perpetuated it  
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dm2754 I would say both often do get punished.

"Out of 211 entries in the Moderation Actions Log, this individual had been the subject of 47 of them (22%), more than any other user. Approximately 25% of the other entries were for individuals who, it could be argued, were goaded and provoked by him."

22% was monk being punished
25% was whomever monk was fighting being punished.

Even further, I would say we showed monk much more leniency than anyone else because a good amount was monk's own doing without involving anyone else.
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DuckBoy87 "Submit meaningful flat Earth content so that we can discuss it!" 
A bit of a nonstarter, eh?
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Gerry1of1 OK, I'll play along. I can prove that the earth is flat where my house is because if I lay a straight edge on the floor there is no arc :)
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Gerry1of1 Make a statement that mankind is responsible for global warming and you'll have a discussion quickly happen.
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lockner01 I would rather see a debate on what to do about it, rather than debating if it is happening or debating what caused it.  Is it better to try to correct it, or better to try to adapt to it?
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faustsshadow In my opinion we are fast running out of time to correct it and adapting to it is not an option for most people. When large areas become uninhabitable the choice will be move or die. And large population movements can cause hostile reactions.

I'm not only talking about crossing borders. Suppose, for example, half of southern Florida became uninhabitable and tens of millions of Floridians had to relocate. How welcoming do you think their fellow citizens would be? I'm sure very welcoming to the first few hundred or few thousand, but after the first couple of million?
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faustsshadow I think you missed the point.
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lockner01 I didn't.  I just diverted the point to something I would find more interesting.
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Gerry1of1 Call this guy up

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daegog lol. Trump never wanted to be president. He didn't even want the nomination. He did it to raise his profile for tv and then once his xenophobia and racism became so popular his ego took over. Watch him on electron night. He was heartbroken when he won.
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daegog

Trump:
The man who left his reality star life to defame, mock, ridicule & humiliate all who serve & protect America.

I think this sounds more inline with reality.
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daegog 
This guy needs to get back on his medication.  Sounds like some I have worked with on prison mental health units.  
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Gerry1of1 I'm here for you bud, lets go.

Evolution isn't a myth, the smartest way to create a population is through a genetic algorithm. I've written a few in my days, don't try it as it's boring AF. Now for the real question, ask a creationist where did the creator come from, blank stares....ask an atheist where all this stuff came from that smashed together and made earth....blank stares. What are you going to do but laugh?

Flat Earth?
First you have to prove Earth is real. That's actually kinda hard. 
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skypirate okay let me try.....
 it's easy to prove intelligent design exist over the randomness of evolution. Take for example how our hands glitter obviously designed by the Creator to fit our gloves so well. If Evolution played a part we would all have a different number of fingers. Ask her all the word glove rhymes with love. And there is no greater love than that of God.

( how was that?)
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skypirate I’m sure there are some simpletons that see the term Theory of Evolution and proclaim to the High Heavens that, “See! It’s just a theory!”.

It’s much the same as with the Theory of Gravity...no one with any sense denies Evolution/Gravity. Rather the Thoery part of the term is the best guesses of the mechanics of each. How/why does it work. Not that it works.

(That being said, My Theory is that there is no such thing as Gravity...the Earth just sucks!)
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megrendel Just another shill for Big Grav, I see.  
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megrendel Exactly. Science always states anything as a theory that cannot be proven definitively as fact by the scientific method. I'm sure if you look hard enough there is someone with a "theory" why we stick to the Earth that doesn't involve gravity.
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drwhowho  velcro
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megrendel beautifully said my man. part of my therapy says I'm not allowed to be deceitful, I need to be open and honest, but convincing someone gravity doesnt exist? Ya that's happening tomorrow. 
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skypirate Just learn to fly.  Apparently the trick is to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
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Gerry1of1 Oh, there are definitely some creationists still on here. Don't know about any Flat Earthers, though.
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(Yagi the Goat is the artist)
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So I heard global warming wasn't real ....

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Gerry1of1 
 well it's obvious what's going on here one of those pictures is in black and white and the other is in color. They did that on purpose to confuse the viewer XD
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892Gerry1of1 Because glaciers never melted before humans made them do so!



Oh my! look at all that AGW from 1760 to 1892! 100% Caused by humans no doubt, right? Oh wait...
That's 30-40 miles of melting long before AGW started, we're in an inter-ice age era, it's been getting warmer (and the glaciers receding) for the past 7000 years without humans involved. 
Just saying, no one claims the Earth isn't getting warmer in the long term.
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gohikineko ??????   I do not have access to comments. 
They are locked out due to SPAM WARS 2000
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Oh, and about your picture map... ?  wtf I don't get it . Please say in plain language what you mean.
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Gerry1of1 Gerry, comments for all boards were turned on over three hours ago. You should have no difficulty accessing comments. Let me know if that's not the case. Thanks.
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jclv When IAB was really dying, and kitteh tried corralling us over there, I tried the site, but I really hate their layout. It's cluttered, messy, and off-putting... just like sloppy-seconds.
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DuckBoy87 ditto. It's MySpace compared to Facebook. As a professional designer I just can NOT support a site that thinks red text on a black background is a good idea.
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DuckBoy87 I go there for boobs.
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marsii I mean, if that's the reason you go there, by all means, have at! But I do think there are better sites for boobs.
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DuckBoy87 "It's cluttered, messy, and off-putting... just like sloppy-seconds."
It's all in how you look at it. You ought to show some appreciation for the generosity.
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DuckBoy87 I visit pretty regularly and don't have a problem. But then again I've never had sloppy seconds so I'm not in a position to judge.

And when IAB was really dying it was kitteh who fought hardest to keep it alive. 
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LordJim I'm not knocking kitteh! I just don't like the site layout, and that's a huge determinate for me as to whether or not I become a regular user.
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jclv O.O  Huh. Now what could those Chaostrophicers up to? Thanks for the heads-up, JC.
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I temporarily misplaced my reading glasses (which I don't really need, really) and I read the title as 'EYEROLL SQUIRREL'. It made sense for a moment, in view of what has been going on the past few days. Then I saw the video. It was disappointing.
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...They could’ve hooked the little guy up with some cashew chicken while they were at it..
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pinkminx22 They could have served the little guy up with some cashew chicken?
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pinkminx22 "...They could’ve hooked the little guy up with some cashew chicken while they were at it.."

There's a reason why General Tso outranks Colonel Sanders.
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Instead of doing these sorts of posts, shouldn't there just be a live chat functionality? I could help implement it if help is needed.
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monadvendetta While we're on the subject... I take it you do web development? Do you code PHP?
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monadvendetta I assume you're referring to the comments on these boards? One big advantage of comments versus live chat is it allows users to participate in conversations on here on their own schedules. It's asynchronous. We've got users in New Zealand and Australia. Using comments on boards like this, they can join in a conversation with Yanks and Canadians who are on a completely different schedule with no difficulties.

Live chat does have some unique advantages and in the past, IAB actually had a live chat room. But it was never as popular or busy as the comment boards themselves.
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Being from the South, Squirrel Eggroll has a slightly different meaning.

We got these in The South.

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