Louis CK December 2018

Submitted by: kalron 2 weeks ago in Entertainment Funny News & Politics


Whelp...this is it, this is the set that has everyone's panties in a bunch.  Watch it for yourself and you decide.  Here is a time stamp to the bit that made the news:

https://youtu.be/R8Nc3x_TkF4?t=1383

Watch it before it gets taken down.
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bwahaha. but it is ok to be dark. its what makes the best comedy. every laugh is filling the well of sadness. but he funny tho..
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Male 1,961
Dead kids can't take a joke.
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Male 937
I attended a panel at a fantasy art convention and a topic came up that applies here. The panel was on horror, and someone asked if there was anything out of bounds, or if it was possible to go too far. One of the panelists said that the purpose of horror was to push against the boundaries of acceptability, and artistically there is no limit to what can be done. Nothing is out of bounds and nothing is too far. 

He added, though, that there is one thing a successful artist should not do, and that is to alienate their audience. Not only will they stop getting paid, but pushing against boundaries only really works when the boundaries are still visible. 

I believe that this equally applies to comedy.  Comedy and horror really serve much of the same function, and I think the panelist’s answer would apply as well. So, did C.K. Go too far?  Remains to be seen, really. If no one was offended, he wouldn’t be doing his job. 

(Even family friendly comedy pushes at boundaries. It is just usually boundaries of language or “softer” norms of society.)

I also got to meet and chat with Michael Whelan at that con, so it was a win all around. 
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Male 5,887
faustsshadow Cool!  Surprisingly I know Michael Whelan's work, especially this:



But also this:

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Male 1,210
As soon as we start telling people what they can laugh at it's all over. There is a place for dark humour, I like it and I think as Kaltron states below it's a way to deal with some of the grimmer aspects of life and our own natures. Don't like his act? Don't watch him again.
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Male 937
mrteatime I disagree in part.  Just as satire needs some people to be fooled to be most effective, having people tell others what they can laugh at will always be a part of this type of comedy.  I would say that the real danger lies in a majority of people accepting that others have the right to dictate what they can laugh at.
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Male 915
Anyone else hate the fake-sounding laugh of the dude who (presumably illegally) recorded this set?  

Anyway, Louis C.K.'s stuff is usually pretty good, but I have to question the decision to mock school shooting survivors... especially since he's trying to make his way back into the mainstream after a fall from grace.  He's just dealt himself another setback, so if he gets another chance to come back, his recovery is going to take twice as long.  Seriously, does he not have anyone advising him on stuff like this?
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skeeter01 I don't think he cares anymore, and honestly, the subject is not that different than 911.  I don't think he wants to be in the limelight, he just wants to continue his form of comedy.  

Comedy is a strange vehicle, it's used for laughter but also for healing.  IMHO, until you make fun of a bad situation, the healing process can't begin.  It might sting, it only makes us stronger.  To me, there is no subject that Comedy can't touch, and CK has made jokes far worse than this one (pushing the fat kid part) that I have laughed at.  

Am I supposed to feel like a piece of shit human being for thinking it was funny because the media\public opinion says I should?
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Male 915
kalron I too chuckled at the fat kid bit, but I did it while cringing.  I guess I haven't matured much since High School where the thought of offending someone and being publicly called out on it was among the most nightmarish scenarios imaginable.  I had that happen to me enough times as a middle schooler and I guess that's at least partly why I'm a bit oversensitive there.

Nevertheless, you do make a solid point about comedy as healer - I hadn't thought about that way before.  My guess is the same goes for most of the other folks who are hating on him.  
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Male 5,887
skeeter01 Thanks man.  Yeah, comedy has touched me all of my life.  When I've been down, there was always a comedian who made me laugh, and the bluer the better to cure the blues :)
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Male 196
He claims that he told his 13 year-old daughter that the only thing interesting about her is that her father is a stand-up comic. If you say that is funny, I will take your word for it. You might ask the next 13 year-old girl you meet whether she thinks it is funny.

The only time I saw Bill Cosby live, he spent quite a bit of time putting down his own children. I lost any respect I ever had for him as a man.

If I were a judge in Louis' case, I would not allow him access to his or anyone else's children. He isn't a stand-up comic. He isn't a stand-up father. He is a bully.
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semichisam It was a joke dude lol.. 

I do not think anyone REALLY BELIEVED he had that exact conversation with his kid.
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Male 196
daegog "It was a joke dude lol.. "

Laugh out loud all you like. It was a joke that he told about his 13-year-old daughter. A comic can find humor in anything. He chose a young girl for whom he should feel responsible and protective. Is he an unrepentant bully or just not very imaginative? I don't care.

And I do believe that he talks that way to his daughters.
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semichisam No, it was a joke about her generation, not his daughter personally.  He just used his daughter as the vehicle of delivery.  All of his material is personal and everything is on the table.  It's always been his humor, obviously you don't like it.

If you know his comedy, he is actually praising his daughter for being a boring normal child, just in a sarcastic way.  He wouldn't want them to turn out like him.
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Male 196
kalron "He just used his daughter "
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semichisam You obviously don't get it, that's OK.  And just like the media with this set, you chose only part of my sentence to make your point, while omitting the part where I said "his material is personal" and "as the vehicle of delivery".

Even clean comics like Jim Gaffigan use their children as the butt of their jokes.  It's nothing new and not specific to CK.
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Female 6,818
semichisam Yet we all laughed when Eddie Murphy's father set fire to his brother during a family BBQ.
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Male 5,887
melcervini Or how about all of the jokes Murphy said about "faggots".   Or Cosby about "Spanish fly" as well as watching his wife beat his kids\getting beating as a kid by his father?  We laughed at them too.
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Male 9,621
kalron I remember Murphy's jokes about faggots, I just don't remember laughing at them. I don't really know Cosby's stand up material. His sit-com aired in the UK but he was never that big here.
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Male 5,887
LordJim "I remember Murphy's jokes about faggots, I just don't remember laughing at them."

That is because you thought be was talking about cigarettes ;)
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kalron That's fags. Faggots were served for school lunch and there was nothing remotely funny about them;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)

Black pudding, haggis, spotted dick, bubble and squeek - try 'em all. But for god's sake avoid the faggots.
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Male 5,887
LordJim and all of this time I thought it was just a bundle of sticks...

That the term in food is related to black pudding and haggis...I'll pass and starve :)
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Male 196
melcervini OK. I know I'm a wet blanket, but I would not make a joke, publicly or privately, about my daughter. And I cannot imagine being amused at someone being set on fire.
That may be why I don't get invited to parties.
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Female 6,818
semichisam LOL and I get your POV but the BBQ was really good in the day, I haven't listened to see if it holds up well or not.   
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Male 5,887
melcervini It holds up, it all holds up.  Even Sam Kinison with his sexist\racist\homophobic bits still gets a chuckle out of me.  The only comedy I am offended by is bad comedy, if it is delivered right, even if it is awful, I still laugh today :)
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Male 937
kalron I have a couple of clowns for kids. I keep trying to teach them timing, pacing, and reading a room. They get those down and being a clown at school will go a lot smoother. 
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Male 5,887
faustsshadow Comedy is a wonderful thing.  If you have kids that want to pursue it, be supportive and let them shine :)
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Male 937
kalron Absolutely. My point is just trying to help them recognize some of the mechanics. We craft jokes together. 
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Male 7,517
Its a standard blue set.. 

Compared to guys like Don Rickles, this is rather tame.
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Male 885
daegog Sound like he might be working on new material too. It could use a little polish in spots.
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Male 5,887
profworm That is what the Comedy Cellar is for :)
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Male 9,621
He needs an audience in order to make money. He had a liberal audience and I guess he could have tried to win them back. But he went for the yee-hah audience. Both equally valid, I guess. Maybe a good commercial decision, going for the yee-hah dollar, that's a good market.

Wanker.
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LordJim I take it you're not that familiar with Louie CK's material. Is, he has always been offencive. Just because he made Sarah Palin jokes doesn't make him a liberal comedian. Would you describe his n-word versus Nigger bit as  liberal?
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dm2754 Oh, very familiar. Liked a lot of his stuff while being aware that behind the delivery and timing was a very creepy guy. It's not like he tried to hide it.When this whole thing blew up I think we all knew Louis was going to be involved. And the n-word bit? I think he made a very valid point. If someone uses the expression "N-word" you know they really want to say nigger but don't have the guts so they are making you say it in your head. I'd say that was fairly liberal.

He went for the liberal audience while that worked for him. Now he's going for the right-wing audience. Whatever brings in a buck. He's talented, but so are a lot of people who are world-class creeps. I think the word I'm looking for is Pander; he will pander to whoever pays.
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7,047
I like Louie CK's new set. Is it a sin since well someone's always offended about something. All jokes have an element of cruelty.  
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dm2754 White horse walks into a pub. Goes up to the bar to order a drink. Barman says "Did you know there was a whisky named after you?"  "What, Eric?"

Now where is the cruelty in that?

Two old blokes sitting in deck chairs, one says "It's nice out, isn't it?" T'other says ...
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7,047

LordJim you call that a joke? The joke is    implying that the horse is stupid and unable to understand what the man is saying.

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LordJim A pony walks into a bar. The bartender asks 'what do you want'. The pony stares at him for minute or two and the bartender finally asks 'you OK?' The pony responds 'Sorry, I'm just a little horse'.  
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Male 9,621
skypirate Rabbit walks into a butcher's shop.

"Have you got any carrots?"
"No we're a butcher's. We just sell meat."
"Fair enough."

Rabbit hops out. Next day returns;

"Have you got any carrots?"
"No I told you yesterday. we're a butchers. We just sell meat."
"Fair enough."

Rabbit hops out. Next day returns;

"Have you got any carrots?"
" Are you taking the piss? I've told you twice. We don't sell fucking carrots. Do this again and I'll nail your ears to the counter."
"OK, fine. No need to get nasty."

Rabbit hops out. Next day returns;

"Do you have any nails?"
"Nails? No we're a butchers."
"In that case I'll have a pound of carrots."

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Male 9,621
skypirate Bear walks into a bar. Barman says "What will you have?" Bear says nothing. Barman says "Why the long paws?"
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LordJim  That joke sounds familiar :) 
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Male 9,621
skypirate You mean ... I wasn't the first to make that pun? How can I bear the shame..,. I must be pun-ished for that. There no paws-ible way to recover. 
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Male 177
skypirate Sarah Jessica Parker walks into a bar, downcast.  The bartender says, “Can I get you a drink?  It may cheer you up.”

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7,047
skypirate implying that horses spend a lot of time in a bar is offencive to horses. Not all horses are alcoholics.   
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dm2754 True, but due to their lack of dexterity with bottles even a small drink requires a visit to the pub. Even a small sherry is beyond them at home. Try opening a sherry bottle with hooves.

But seriously (?) the idea that humour relies on cruelty I find unconvincing. The shaggy dog story which involves talking animals and long rambling diversions, the simple pun, silly riddles (Why is a raven like a writing desk?) Words and word-play can be funny without cruelty.

I would not deny that cruelty can be a valid part of humour, but it is not a pre-requisite.
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Squrlz4Ever Why were comments taken down on the warren post? I mean comments are kinda why we come here.
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Male 10,073
skypirate Hey, SkyPirate. Comments were deactivated on two boards last night due to a moderation issue where a user was ignoring the mods and continuously spamming the boards for over an hour. We've just reactivated the comments on both boards. Sorry for the inconvenience; turning off the comments wasn't something any of us wanted to do, either.
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Male 196
squrlz4ever I read deleted01's comment before you took it down. In all seriousness, if anyone knows him personally, I think he needs some help dealing with life. There is a serious disconnect with reality.
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Male 5,887
skypirate What did you think of Louis' set?
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kalron He was never my favorite comic. I get that he had a bad year and it ended pretty good compared to others, but meh. The whole thing seemed recycled. I mean the 'auschwitz, not then but now' is recycled from the 'don't say the n word, just say nigger' bit. It felt cheap. 'I lost 35 million' boo fucking hoo, go away already. 
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Male 139
Louis is 90 degrees from the plane of the emerging millennial  society, just completely orthogonal.  He wants to deconstruct and examine our thoughts, feelings, and taboos.  That kind of critical thinking runs afoul of the "Golden Truth" mindset that so many people seem to have these days.  Their arguments and ideas are based on the notion that they've discovered the truth of an issue and there can be no other side to it, no nuance, no complexity.  I hope Louis keeps fighting even as shows like SNL cater to the modern simpletons.
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Male 9,621
spentmiles Arguably the most pretentious thing I've read all week. And I got a subscription to the London Review Of Books for Christmas, so that's a pretty high bar.
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Male 10,232
LordJim But, he's not wrong.
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Male 9,621
megrendel I dunno. So he's right about something?  What?
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Male 196
LordJim "Louis is 90 degrees from the plane of the emerging millennial  society"

Now, some of us would say that Louis is only 89 degrees off the plane. Others might think he is actually somewhere between 91 and 100 degrees off. I think 90 degrees nails it, don't you?

We would certainly not want to run afoul of the "GoldenTruth" mindset.

Incidentally, Golden Truth were a professional wrestling tag team in WWE consisting of Goldust and R-Truth. Surely you can see how their mindset relates to the orthogonal deconstruction of Louis' complexly nuanced flinging down of the gauntlet before the modern simpletons.
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Male 5,887
spentmiles I like how you described his thought process when it comes to the topics he uses and the way he delivers them.  After watching the video, it wasn't any less offensive as any material he has touched on before.  And honestly, some of these bits are better than he has put out in years.  I think not giving a fuck any more is good for creativity.
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kalron  think not giving a fuck any more is good for creativity. 

I can't agree. I think that giving a fuck marks the difference between people who are worth my time and people who are just chasing the next buck.

I feel a poem coming on, I'll get back to you;
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LordJim Well, I can speak from experience.  The best work I have done (sculpture) is when I didn't give a fuck about anyone's opinion or who I offended or impressed.  It was the work that even critics approved of.

I have read your comment above, especially the part about "He went for the liberal audience while that worked for him. Now he's going for the right-wing audience".  

That opinion is straight out of the media coverage.  If you actually knew anything about CK and his comedy...you would know that he gives zero shits about your politics or opinions.  Never has, never will.  He is only interested in pushing the boundaries of comedy.

*side note*  I don't condone what he did or pretend it wasn't wrong, but I don't let that sway my opinion on if something is quality or not.  I still listen to Metallica's ...And Justice For All, but Metallica as individual humans are the worst.  Yet it doesn't effect the work they produced.
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kalron  
 I didn't give a fuck about anyone's opinion 
It was the work that even critics approved of. 

Uh-huh.
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Male 196
LordJim You are seeing that differently than I am. One might well not care about anyone's opinion while creating something and yet be pleased afterward that others found value in one's work.
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Male 5,887
LordJim Well, believe me or don't; but when I put aside other's opinion and concentrate on what inspires me on a personal level, that is where I find the deepest creativity.

IE:  Not giving a shit.
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kalron
That opinion is straight out of the media coverage.

I haven't read the media coverage, I somehow managed to stumble across that opinion all by myself.

If you actually knew anything about CK and his comedy... 

Clearly I don't. I have watched several hours of it over the years, some of it more than once, and regard his timing and delivery as being among the best in the business. He's very skilled but I guess I just lack artistic insight.

My favourite comedians at the moment are Frankie Boyle, Jim Jefferies, Stewart Lee, Rachel Paris and a bunch of others. I tend to think of Charlie Brooker as a brilliant comedian who took a dark side road with Black Mirror. I also enjoy cosy, safe comedy - I don't mind boundaries being pushed but I don't see it as a good in itself. 

You imply, if I read you correctly, that I just don't get it because he is too edgy and filled with artistic integrity for my tender sensibilities. That's not the case. You say he doesn't give a shit about the audiences opinion; I see it differently. In this set he struck me as desperate to get approval and took the easiest possible rout.

I don't know anything about Metalica but on the question of seperating the artist from his work I'm sure you are familiar with the vexed issue of Eric Gill, an unquestionably brilliant artist who we have since discovered raped his own daughters over a long period of time.I think it is too easy to say that the art and the artist are utterly different. Nobody is expecting a Gary Glitter come back tour. Obviously an extreme example but the principle is the same.




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Male 5,887
LordJim The only reason I pointed that out is because this set isn't any different than his previous materials, especially the earlier ones.  Just because he is making fun of a particular movement that is viewed as left doesn't mean he is catering to the right.  Everything is on the table for him, including his own kids.

Jim Jefferies is another great example of a comedian who doesn't give a shit about left or right.  While he definitely aligns himself as a liberal person, he will be more than happy to say something that offends the left for the sake of a good joke or if it is how he feels about something.

If CK was looking for audience approval, he wouldn't be making jokes about school shootings.  Remember, this was recorded at The Comedy Cellar in NY, the audience was mostly liberal to far left.  And they didn't come to see him specifically, it's not a "come back tour", he simply walked into the club and asked to perform.
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Male 2,240
Sorry, the other thread has comments off, I'll just park this here for now:

EIDT: took it down and moved it to the correct thread :-) It was a tiny-X for everyone anyhow, right?

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Male 10,073
gohikineko Gohiki, the two boards where the comments were turned off have had the comments reactivated (see my comment to SkyPirate above). As I think you know, it had nothing to do with you. Sorry about that!

UPDATE: Due to a continuance of the spam attack, we've had to deactivate the comments on those two boards again. My apologies. We're working on a better solution. Thanks.
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squrlz4ever Oh no worries! I just had a hard time because I had the board open and it wasn't accepting my comments ;p Couldn't figure out why not, lolz!
Eventually I exited and found out why.
Hoped you like that Squirrel Girl, the artist is a genius! Simple yet expressive figures (who happen to look like animal-girls, lolz! And a few boys now and then)

I'll move the above, people cannot see it anyhow right?
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Male 196
squrlz4ever We're holding the single malt for you.
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Male 885
squrlz4ever Fight the good fight. 
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Male 10,232
gohikineko I think you got towed.
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