Flat Earther Offers $100,000 for Challenge, Then Refuses to Pay

Submitted by: squrlz4ever 1 week ago in News & Politics Science
This is absolutely epic.



The Videos
1. Flat Out Hero's $100,000 Challenge
2. Wolfie Succeeds in Plotting the Course
3. Flat Out Hero Moves the Goalposts
4. Another YouTuber Plots the Course Using Paper Charts
5. Flat Out Hero Rambles and Makes More Excuses
There are 37 comments:
Male 3,051
So you kick Monk off IAB and he goes on to troll the planet. Who really wins?
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Male 13,425
I don't think there are actual flat earthers. They are all just trolling.
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Male 550
holygod It's mostly religous nutjobs seeking support for the phrases in the bible that claims the earth is flat and has a dome...

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/
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Male 7,516
holygod I dunno if they are trolling per se, I see a lot of them as snake oil salesman.  Some folks are making good cash off these Flattards.
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Male 146
holygod I disagree. I believe there are people out there that are truly that stupid. Some of these people also believe that the Earth is only 4000 years old.
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Male 10,070
drwhowho True. And if someone is willing to turn a blind eye to the fossil record and geological record, it's not much more of a leap to believe that NASA photographs are faked.

Heaven help us.
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Male 10,070
holygod That's a really good point. I just don't know. What about the Moon Landing Hoaxers? Do you take them at their word?
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Male 13,425
squrlz4ever I think the moon landing hoaxers are dumb, but I can see how you could at least find a conspiracy there.
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Male 309
holygod A lot of them mix fundy Christianity in with FE, though...are they trolling the religious nuts, too?
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Male 9,621
holygod One would like to think so, but human stupidity is vast. The one thing that puzzles me about flat-earthers is cui bono? At least with 9/11 or moon-landing theories some kind of motive can be cobbled together but I have never seen a asuggested motive as to why people would lie about it.
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Male 25
LordJim Obviously the travel industries are using their vast government connections to keep the round earth conspiracy afloat so they can bilk people out of more money by refusing to fly/sail the shortest routes and instead fly further and charge more for fuel etc.  

But seriously not a clue what they think the motives are.
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Male 309
LordJim From what i saw of the FE conference, in the end, they blame it all on the Jews--like all conspiracy nuts.
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Male 2,374
stevopusser the "Matza"Theory...

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Male 5,341
I was kind of hoping we had seen the last of flat Earth anything here on IAB.
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Male 13,425
trimble ditto. I thought that was going to be one of the benefits of de-monking the site 
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Male 10,070
holygod Maybe I'm suffering from some PTSD here. Anyway, I thought you guys would enjoy this. The challenge and its proof are so elegant: No need for telescopes, no worries about wide angle lens distortion or the bending of light at the horizon. Just simple geometry.

As I see it, the chief benefit of de-monking the site is not that we no longer discuss certain topics, such as the shape of the Earth, 9/11, and the moon landings, but that we can discuss them without every conversation ending with some combination of "Only God can tell," "grasping at straws," "fragile worldview," "four simple words," or "whining."
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Male 25
squrlz4ever Well said sir.  I would prefer all subjects continue to be welcome but be able to be discussed without rhetoric drowning out people's thoughts.  It had gotten rather tiresome.
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Male 10,070
strykerc Thanks, Stryker. We try to make room for all types and viewpoints and we very seldom ban. That said, when the large majority of a user's interactions end up in the exact same condescending insults time after time, and virtually no productive debating is going on, something is amiss. Anyway. Moving on.

As IAB's First Squirrel (not an official title, but I like it), I have checked our records and I believe we owe you something.

~Squrlz disappears offstage briefly ...~

*squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak* *squeak*

~ ... and returns, wagon in tow~

WELCOME TO IAB, STRYKERC!



You have two spirit animals I see, Tiger and Wolf. I guess that means you are comfortable in both hot and cold climates. You are clearly a versatile apex predator. Me? When it gets cold, I put on a layer of insulating fat, spend most of my time inside my winter nest, and sleep a lot. Since the only things I prey on are acorns, and the occasional eggroll, I guess I can afford to be in low gear three or four months of the year.

I digress. Sorry.

I hope you have already made some new IAB friends and continue to meet interesting and friendly users in the months ahead. The whole trick to IAB is to find interesting things that excite you and share those interests with others -- which tends to make this a fun place and attract a lot of smart people. I love it here and I hope you do, too.

Welcome again to IAB, and I'll see you in the threads!
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Male 9,621
squrlz4ever Here's another; why can't observatories in the "southern hemishere" see the North Star?
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Male 13,425
LordJim my go tos have always been that the model doesn't explain the seasons or why counties near the equator are warmer or why Alaska has 40 straight days of night. It is just retarded.
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Female 4
holygod All of these very easily explained if the Sun shines like a spotlight. Then you can manufacture seasons, etc if you define a clever path for the spotlight to travel.

Now if you retort by saying how stupid a spotlight Sun is....well prove that it ISN'T! Have you ever been there? 

If they're willing to discount all of science, then they're perfectly willing to believe any other nonsense they need to in order to justify it.
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Male 309
holygod It's all this atmospheric refarction! That's what gives the illusion of the sun and moon setting--naturally it lessens the angle of sunlight seasonally at the center and at the edges of the disk.
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Male 10,070
LordJim Yup. That's another great proof. I suppose the most remarkable thing about the whole Flat Earther thing isn't the "controversy" itself. There's no real issue to debate in terms of the shape of the planet. I suppose what's most interesting is that adults who are out functioning more or less normally in society can be this misguided and have formed a community of similarly malfunctioning individuals. I suppose that's the subject that's really worth investigating.
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Male 1,210
squrlz4ever Two things here in my opinion, people like to think they have one up on the rest of the population and they also like to belong to a group. Religion used to be the main way to provide that, now it's sports teams, conspiracy theories and politics. 
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Male 10,070
mrteatime Great observation. Very interesting and a lot to think about. You are so right about how some of these activities or interests seem to be meeting a human need that was once met by religion. Thanks.
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Male 9,621
squrlz4ever May I recommend "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" by Charles Mackay (1852)? Not an exact match for this topic but well worth getting hold of.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extraordinary-Popular-Delusions-Wordsworth-Reference/dp/1853263494

How Mumbo-jumbo Conquered The World by Francis Wheen is also worth having.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Mumbo-Jumbo-Conquered-World-Delusions/dp/0007140975/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547235372&sr=1-1&keywords=how+mumbo+jumbo+conquered+the+world
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Male 10,070
LordJim The first one is a famous text and I'm trying to remember if I've read it. I must not have. The second one is entirely new to me. Thank you so much for the links. I'm trying to line up some good titles for 2019, and these look promising.
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Male 9,621
squrlz4ever Popular Delusions even desribes early memes. Very caustically. It's a great dip-into book.

We've mentioned Brewer's before. That, plus this and the OED would be my three desert island books. Are you familiar with Desert Island Discs? Maybe I should post some.
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Male 10,070
LordJim Thinking more about this, another thought: I suppose the phenomenon we are witnessing is that the internet is the perfect invention for allowing people with delusional beliefs to crawl out of the shadows, anonymously, and join hands with their brethren all over the world.

Such a thing has never existed before. In the past, people with bizarre belief systems were isolated and, after being laughed at a few times, quickly learned to keep quiet about their thoughts.

With this new state of affairs, the sane majority are like, "Holy heck! Can it really be possible that there are this many wackos out there?! Impossible. They've got to be just faking it."
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Male 13,425
squrlz4ever ya. I commented before I watched it. It was pretty good. I agree with you. 
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Male 10,070
holygod My favorite part of the video controversy occurs here, where Wolfie shows his plotted out course using flight chart software that's being used constantly by pilots all over the world.

In my opinion, if a person watches these proofs and isn't convinced we live on a globe Earth, the person is either rock stupid or isn't all there in terms of mental health.
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Male 4,558
So, if there are any flat Earthers left on the site, can you tell me why maps are so distorted if the Earth is, in fact, flat?

Another thing, in the flathead's last video, can anyone take his roadmaps and lay them all out flat, without editing them, without overlaps, without gaps, and without distortions? My guess is no.
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Male 7,516
The notion that this guy:

1) has 100K

2) Would pay it if he did

Are slightly less believable than the earth being flat.
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Male 10,070
daegog You are so right. That's what pretty much everyone who was following this saga concluded very early on. Still, I loved this. Being able to follow a flight path in the shape of an equilateral triangle by making 90 degree turns is definitive proof that the Earth is not flat -- by a Flat Earther's own admission. Complete slam dunk on Wolfie's part.

Also: Just watching Flat Earth Hero's videos makes my fur crawl. If he isn't dealing with some kind of narcotic addiction, I'd be shocked.
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Male 46,093
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Male 10,070
Gerry1of1 "Everyone says it is. In fact, just recently, some former U.S. presidents told me that. Believe me."
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