Assessing Elizabeth Warren’s Strengths and Weaknesses in 2020

Submitted by: squrlz4ever 2 weeks ago in News & Politics
Looks like Warren's in. What do you think, IAB? Yay or Nay?

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Male 146
Nay. She is too far left. The only way to defeat Trump is to run a moderate who can bridge the gap (are you listening DNC). You can't carry the independents if you run to the left. I was a Hillary supporter when she ran against Obama in the 2008 primaries but she was not the same person in 2016. Bernie is also too far left. I abstained from the 2016 primaries because I just couldn't vote for either of them. The only reason I voted for Hillary in the general election was because she was the lesser of two evils. If the Republicans had run Kasich, I would have voted for him. Didn't agree with everything he said but at least he seemed sane. Also no Biden (too old), no Booker (also too far left). Beto is probably the best bet. He seems to be rising similar to the way that Obama did.

But it doesn't matter anyway Trump is going to be president for life just like Putin. My wife told one of her friends (who is a Trump supporter) that at least he only gets two terms at the most. Her friend made the remark that maybe we can do something about that until then referring to repealing the 22nd amendment. That is truly scary.
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Male 13,425
drwhowho does it scare you that your wife is friends with someone capable of thinking that?
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Male 146
holygod Unfortunately the majority of the people in our area think like that. She can hold her own and give it right back to her. I try to live by the rule of "two things you don't discuss with friends are religion and politics" but sometimes I even get drawn in. I can hold my own too :) My neighbor brought over a sock monkey toy for my dog as a Christmas present. Then he says to me "Looks like Obama doesn't it?". Totally unprovoked. The first thing I thought was why even go there. The second thing I thought was it's not even worth a response so I just left it roll off.
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Male 1,961
Trump was never truthful about his Cheeto heritage. Or nearly anything else. I can see why republicans have a problem with her. 

Hint: it's the vagina
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Male 146
marsii Maybe if she let them grab it :)
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Male 9,691
Even though the expose the Boston Globe did here:  Proved without a doubt she didn't use her status to gain any favours instead this was simply someone in the family said "they had American indian blood", no different from my relatives in my family.  In the end this was an overblown story about a family rumour.  Seriously that's what this is about, and Trumpsters are too stupid or willfully ignorant to look into the matter.  She received no benefit from the designation.  It appears everything she's done has been done based on her merit.  You'd think Trumpsters would appreciate someone who worked their ass off and got where they were based on merit alone.
But they don't, They think Trump "worked" his ass off for his lifestyle.  If his Presidency is any judge of that based on how much he sits and watches TV.  I sincerely doubt he's  put in any hard work ever.
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Male 139
normalfreak2 
Warren is an academic and career politician.  What accomplishments are you referring to?
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Male 1,961
spentmiles What's schoolin ever done for nunbody?
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Male 13,425
spentmiles ya being a Harvard professor and senator aren't accomplishments at all. Please wow us with tales of how quickly you stock shelves at target.
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Male 2,240
holygod A Native American Harvard Professor, don't forget!
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Male 13,425
gohikineko had she ever referred to herself as "Native American"? I'm actually asking.
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Male 2,381
holygod No -- She's said that she has some "Native American Heritage" but hasn't said that she's "Native American".

She's said:

"As a kid, I never asked my mom for documentation when she talked about our Native American heritage. What kid would? But I knew my father's family didn't like that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware, so my parents had to elope,"

I came out when She ran for senate in 2012. Her opponent "Brown" stated "Professor Warren claimed that she was a Native American, a person of color," he said during a debate. "And as you can see, she's not."

I know a lot of people that are Native Canadian that are as white as I am. I've also known people that are African Canadian that I wouldn't consider a visible minority.
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Male 13,425
lockner01 i find it odd that her heritage has become something of ridicule. I'm 25% Iranian. My son has blonde hair and blue eyes.
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Male 1,961
holygod ouch
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Male 295
spentmiles "academic and career politician...What accomplishments?"
Well that's certainly a distressing position.
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Male 196
elgabalo Presumably the personal and professional accomplishments of spentmiles are so prodigious that a mere university professor or US Senator would be unworthy of notice.
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semichisam I'm hoping it's that, and not the continuing growth of distrust of the intelligentsia. But I have my doubts.
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Male 196
elgabalo Town vs. Gown
Country bumpkins have always had it in for big-city intellectuals. Jokes about professors making fools of themselves out in the countryside have been around for hundreds of years. The theme is that book-larnin' causes people to forget what any hayseed can see as common sense.
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Male 10,232
normalfreak2 Other things known Without a doubt.

Fact:  She used her (phony) Native American ancestry when trying to get hired on at Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania.

Fact:  Documents from Harvard showed that the university reported her as a Native American female professor in federal statistics in 1992. 

Fact:  Warren admitted to indicating Native American Minority status in an Association of American Law Schools directory. 
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Male 1,961
megrendel She got a small loan of DNA from her dad, that's all.
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marsii Her dad was white, so was literally everyone in her ancestry for 10+ generations: she's less 'native' than the typical American is.
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gohikineko WRONG "The report concluded there is “strong evidence” she had a Native American ancestor approximately six to 10 generations ago."
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Male 5,887
I am all for a woman president, but Warren has no chance against Trump.  He will use every sexist tirade possible to belittle her into non-existence, as well as the Native American affair.  Hillary too, a second time.

O'Rourke is the best thing the Dems have got at the moment.  But the DNC will shred him for voting outside of party lines in the past.  I personally see that as a positive, someone who can compromise and come to the middle.  In addition, he is young, has charisma, and can hold his own in a blistering campaign.
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Male 1,961
kalron Woman look like Hillary. Woman IS Hillary!!! Republican SMASH
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kalron do you really think Trump could beat anyone at this point, nevermind 2 years and countless insane tweets down the road?
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Male 5,887
woodyville06 Actually yes.  Unfortunately while there was momentum at the midterms for the left, Trump still has a hold over the part of the right that gravitate toward his ideals.  A part that gets motivated over crazy shit like blocking Tesla Stations, let alone getting out and voting.

And if the Democrats don't get their shit together, they can lose the middle ground\independents again by putting another bad choice to run against him.  They need to play it true and choose the right candidate.  Sanders is too far Left, Hillary already lost, Warren is an easy target to destroy.  O'Rourke is the only option I see at this point.
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Male 3,051
woodyville06 Yes I do.
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Male 1,961
scheckydamon Nixon died though, who were you thinking of?
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Male 2,240
Can people see this? I have another site it might link from:



So very funny!
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Male 309
gohikineko Yet the same racists claimed it only took the same amount of "colored blood" to make someone black and a slave...
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stevopusser What the hell has that got to do with anything on this thread? Trolling is not a positive virtue...
She proved by her own test that she's not the least bit Native: that makes me a racist for saying the truth? huh? What?

Ps: all the Native Tribes she's laid claim to also reject her outright, are they racists too? 
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Male 196
gohikineko "all the Native Tribes she's laid claim to also reject her outright, are they racists too?"
She never claimed to belong to a specific tribe. 
It would be an extreme position to call Native Americans or First Nations racist. Most of them have always been amused, if annoyed, by whities playing indian. In the US lately, though, there is potentially or actually money in belonging to a tribe, because of Indian Gaming. So tribes have become much more protective of membership.
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semichisam True to some degree: she never named one specific "tribe" but claimed the "umbrella name" (Cherokee iirc? It doesn't matter) and all of the ones in the area of her ancestors said no way, she ain't one of us we have no record of her ancestors & etc.
 
I presume she never tried to get that sweet 'gambling money' or such things since she was born rich, eh? And there'd be lots of records of it. But yeah most Tribes I've heard of are pretty reluctant to let "white folks" be full members for various reasons.
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Male 13,425
gohikineko no joke, that is really good. I saw trump tweet it. Easily the most clever thing he has ever tweeted.
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Male 1,961
holygod What's amazing is that he had the intelligence to recognize it as funny this time. 
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Male 10,073
gohikineko That's pretty clever. Made me chuckle and I'm a potential Warren voter.
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Male 2,240
squrlz4ever You can see it ok? Cool! The other one came up as a tiny-x :p Even for me the next day (I clear my cache after every closure, eh?)

Squirrel!
https://www.facebook.com/s1120411/photos/a.1728771743815584/2701469699879112/?type=3&theater
I've seen his work before (Yagi the Goat), but had no idea there was so much of it, and it was all so darn cute!! And all G-rated of course. I can link a compilation of his 180~ odd works, but it has naughty banners :/ unless you ad-block them like I do. Mostly his animal-girls (there's some boys too) are foxes, cats, dogs & etc.
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Male 1,210
gohikineko You ever seen this guys work? https://www.collectedcurios.com/ he focuses a lot on anthropomorphic animals. His stuff's quite quirky.
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Male 10,073
gohikineko That's definitely one adorable squirrel girl. Love the North Face backpack. :)
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Male 885
Can we please make something clear? IAB is private property. Its owners (the people who pay for and maintain it) get to determine how we behave here. End of story.

No where does it say anywhere in the first amendment that anyone has a right to go onto a website and be a jerk... Any more than they could walk into someone's home, piss on the floor, then get upset when the owner brings out a mop.

Good day, and good riddance.
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Male 1,961
profworm Can't imagine why you made this comment? This would only really make sense if one pissant was going around treating everyone here like his own personal entertainment.
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Male 885
I said this before, but 2020 is the 100th anniversary of the 19th amendment. Theres a lot of symbolism and significance to support a female candidate, which I'm betting is something both sides are keenly aware of.

I don't know if she's the best candidate, but I have to admit... Watching her rip the CEO of Wells Fargo a new poop-chute was pretty satisfying.
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Male 525
profworm Supporting a candidate entirely based on their gender is identity politics. Congratulations, your academic insanity moved into politics.
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Male 885
Fojos I'm just saying it's going to be an issue. Gender identity politics, as you say, is going to be a factor. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. We'll see.
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Male 196
profworm "Watching her rip the CEO of Wells Fargo a new poop-chute was pretty satisfying."

And, yet, after savaging the lives of millions of customers of his company, he got his golden parachute and moved on to another predatory company.

So, good show! But what did she do?
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Male 5,341
semichisam Bingo.
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Male 2,240
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Lolz!
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Male 10,232
gohikineko You forgot they were accompany a woman.

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Male 46,093
gohikineko   Not to take sides, but if the conservatives have Mitt Romney,
he claimed he was mexican but he looks like he's carved out of cream cheese.

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Male 1,961
Gerry1of1 Trump also claims to be a stable genius too. Never gonna top that lie.
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Male 46,093
marsii   If he believes it then it's not a lie, it's a delusion. 
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Gerry1of1 A very stable delusion.
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Male 309
marsii How about "the fittest man ever to run for President!" (yet was disqualified for the draft for medical reasons) and that he's only 239 lbs! Girthergate!
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Male 2,240
Gerry1of1 His father was born in Mexico, this is an established fact. Doesn't that make him (the father) 'Mexican'? Thus Mitt has Mexican ancestry (and a lot of Mexican blood relatives too). It is entirely different from claiming to have 'Latino' or 'Hispanic' heritage (like that Irish Democrat is currently (falsely) doing...)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-besieged-mormon-colony-mitt-romneys-mexican-roots/2011/07/21/gIQAFGOXVI_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d4ae5b72cb97

There's plenty of White people, Black people and possibly some Asians born in Mexico who are Mexican citizens to this day... are they "not Mexican" too? Just saying: Fauxahontas claimed she had Indian Blood, Romney said no such thing about Spanish or Mayan blood.

If two married black people legally become Icelandic citizens and had a child, is that child Icelandic or not? :/ No one's claiming the child has "Norse DNA" ok? That's different.
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Male 46,093
gohikineko   His grandfather ran off to mexico to escape US authorities so doesn't that make his dad a "Dreamer" in mexico?  His own grandfather and father were illegal immigrants yet Mitt is against open immigration.

LOL  Mormons are fun
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Male 10,073
THIS COMMENT IS DIRECTED TO MONKWARRIOR

Monk, I'm issuing you a Warning to stop propagandizing and spamming the boards of IAB tonight with your "four words" or "it just takes the right words" spiel. If you put up another such comment it will be deleted.

In just the past ten days, you have had 6 moderator actions taken against you. You are a hair's breadth away from being banned.
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Male 2,240
squrlz4ever Whoops, looks like someone got the banhammer dropped on them :/

I made some replies about how people are sick of his '4 words spamming' and how he got in similar trouble with Fancylad for his (long ago) stealth-linking some religious site...

Also: a Squirrel Girl stuffing her cheeks: (by Yagi The Goat)

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It's been my experience that many white Americans believed to have some sort of native heritage.  ( you're a few reasons for this)

But when you deny the possibility that you can be incorrect or mistaken that really shows your quality as a person.

But I think President Trump would really love to run up against her. The debates would be a joke as all he would do is call her Pocahontas the whole time
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Male 2,240
dm2754 "Fauxahontas" is her proper name :-) Faux means fake or imitation, a substitute for the real thing, eh? And she is all of that.
There was one person in the USA who could lose to Trump in 2016 and the Democrats ran her: Hillary Clinton will never be the President!
In 2020? There's several horrible candidates the Democrats could choose: Biden, Sanders, Waters or... Warren! They'd just get slaughtered in all likelihood.

So run Fauxahontas run! The "Last of the Fauxhicans" (1:53)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7h89KWOXVE
(Is that Grey Owl with her... lmao!!)
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Male 10,073
gohikineko Serious question for you: Who would you say would be the best candidate the Democrats could run against Trump?
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Male 2,240
squrlz4ever I don't follow the  Dems close enough to find quality candidates: the weirdos and psychos get all the MSM attention eh? Moderate Democrats are a thing of the past really, an endangered species at best :/
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Male 2,468
squrlz4ever I hope with all my heart that race never happens.  

My dream ticket: anyone but Hillary vs anyone but Trump. 
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woodyville06 You may be right about that. I guess we'll all see.
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Male 196
dm2754 Well, that was an amazingly nonsensical word salad. My favorite part was, "President Trump would really love to run up against her."
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Male 10,232
Mexican word of the day: Nada

Chief Batshit Crazy Horse (aka Elizabeth Warren) is still nada Native American.
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Male 2,381
megrendel In what universe can this statement not be considered racist and offensive?
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Male 10,232
lockner01 In what universe can this statement not be considered racist and offensive?

The real universe.  Located JUST outside of Liberal Utopia known as the United State of Perpetually Offended.

And just so you know, it's an old meme.



(There is also one going around where the word is Nacho and it refers the Hillary is Nacho president.)
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Male 2,381
megrendel So the coffee shop you hang out in with your KKK friends?

I love your defence "It's an old meme so it isn't racist".
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Male 10,232
lockner01 So the coffee shop you hang out in with your KKK friends?

Wrong on both counts. I do not drink coffee and I have no friends involved in the Democratic founded KKK.

I've worked with a couple guys that were members....total dipshits.

@ love your defence "It's an old meme so it isn't racist".

It's not racist because it's an old meme.  It's not racist because it's not racist.  As such needs to defense.

Had I said 'Mexicans are stupid', that would be racist.   Using Nada as a homonym for Not A in a joke is no more racist than a joke like Louisiana word of the day: Bayou. "Hey darlin’, lemme bayou a drink."

But, when you spend your entire existence looking for the next thing to be 'offended' about, I can see where you would be mental enough to not know the difference.
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Male 196
megrendel Sounds like you've bought the Trump package.
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Male 10,232
semichisam So, calling a bat-shit crazy person 'bat-shit' crazy has what to do with Trump?
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Male 196
megrendel "So, calling a bat-shit crazy person 'bat-shit' crazy has what to do with Trump?"

If a person often or usually says or does crazy things, then calling him or her 'bat-shit crazy' is simply descriptive. What constitutes crazy can be a matter of opinion, and your opinion is as good as mine.

Naming a woman 'Chief Batshit Crazy Horse' is bullying and abusive. Trump thinks that abusing women makes him look strong. I think it makes him look childish.
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semichisam Naming a woman 'Chief Batshit Crazy Horse' is bullying and abusive.

Sorry, do you need a safe space?  Some crayons?  Maybe a stuffed pink unicor?

A few points:
  1. Calling someone (even a lady) who demonstrates crazy attributes Chief Batshit Crazy Horse is neither 'bullying' nor 'abusive'.    The term Chief Batshit Crazy Horse is a amalgamation of two (2) terms "Chief Crazy Horse" (Native American war leader of the Oglala Lakota) and "Batshit Crazy" (Slang for someone show is certifiably nuts) into one term that both accurately describes Warren and referrers to her many issues falsely claiming to a Native American.
  2. It is impossible to bully or abuse someone who is not an active part of the conversation.  She's not here to react to what I'm typing.
  3. It is impossible to bully or abuse someone via online posts.  "Cyberbullying" is made-up bullshit. Nothing said here in any way effects, frightens or impacts Warren in any form or fashion. If you feel bullied because someone calls you a name on line (or even in person), it just demonstrates that you are incapable of controlling your own emotions and have no business online and/or in public. 
  4. Even if I were to call Warren Chief Batshit Crazy Horse to her face, in person, it STILL would not be considered Bullying or abusive, as it is not a threat nor is it any anyway abusive. 
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Male 196
megrendel "Sorry, do you need a safe space?  Some crayons?  Maybe a stuffed pink unicor?"

No. I learned over six decades ago that there is no such thing as a safe space. I could use some crayons. I go through a lot of them. You can keep the stuffed pink unicor.

You asked me what name-calling has to do with Trump. Name-calling is how he avoids engaging in discussion when he fears to be seen as inadequate.

I understand that name-calling is the norm on IAB, and that it is, more often than not, in a spirit of fun. I'm sorry you took my comment so hard. I'll be more careful how I respond to you in the future.

Take care of yourself.
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semichisam Telling the truth is buying Trump's package? Do go on...
(hint: she proved beyond any doubt by her own hand she's not 'Native American' at all. Less than the average US citizen in fact! She proved this, ok? Her!)
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gohikineko "Telling the truth is buying Trump's package?"
Making fun of people and calling them demeaning names is the mark of a bully. All bullies are driven by fear. Trump uses fear to control people because fear controls him completely, and he doesn't believe anyone is different from him.
That is Trump's package.
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semichisam She lied her ass off. Then she "doubled down" to prove she was right... and proved she was wrong!
How stupid is that? Who told her proving she was NOT AT ALL a 'native person' would prove she was telling the truth about 'having a native ancestor'? Telling the TRUTH about her lies and her being White has nothing at all to do with Trump... YOU are fear-mongering here. 

People who scream about how Trump will literally take black American's freedom away and make them slaves again, those people are not appealing to fear? Do tell... you've been pretty hysterically wrong lately, having a 'bad patch'? :/

...because fear controls him completely, and he doesn't believe anyone is different from him.
 "Well, that was an amazingly nonsensical word salad." !!!  Oh please. The irony... you need the Heimlich now?
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...because fear controls him completely, and he doesn't believe anyone is different from him.
 "Well, that was an amazingly nonsensical word salad." !!!  Oh please. The irony... you need the Heimlich now?"

I would like to hear from anyone who does not understand what that means.
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semichisam Fear is the only human emotion or motivation he feels? He is devoid of other human characteristics? He is unable to even comprenehd that other people are "different"?

Oh, OH! I understand what you said all right, do you? :-) It takes an amazing... mindset... to think that the President of the USA is completely unable to understand anything except fear. Anyone with an IQ highrer than their shoe size should be able to see how completely... biased (I'm being very polite here) that is... yet here we are.

You lectured a person who is ESL (English second language) about such a "word salad" and yet here you are serving one that is even more... incredulous! And you "double down" on it like every liberal does every single time.
http://adam4d.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/challenge1.png

I also understand how you entirely ignored my comment: your silence is my victory, thanks! :->
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gohikineko "Fear is the only human emotion or motivation he feels? He is devoid of other human characteristics? He is unable to even comprenehd that other people are "different"? "

You finally understand Donald Trump.
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semichisam No, he finally understands semichisam.....and it's not flattering
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megrendel You got that right! Lolz!
And almost every Democrat: dehumanization is an ugly thing isn't it? But that's exactly what they do to every Republican candidate or office holder.
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megrendel I will stand by my assessment of the character of Donald J. Trump, but I have no interest in trying to change anyone else's opinion. I am certain that everyone in the country who is paying attention has made a decision about his character and is not going to change it now.
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semichisam That much is true.
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Male 13,425
Weakness: Trump will call her "Pocahontas" and get all his inbred hillbilly trupers to chant it non-stop. It will be the new "lock her up".
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holygod She is something like 1/1000 Indian yet clings to her "heritage"  We all have the God given right to mock the hell out of her and we'll do so until she shuts the fuck up and goes away.  
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Male 46,093
Slogan should be

ELIZABETH WARREN
NOT A CHANCE 2020
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Male 10,073
Gerry1of1 LOL... I'm more optimistic about Warren's chances than you are, but this made me laugh.
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Male 46,093
squrlz4ever She's not likable, not trusted.
Only the most liberal democrats like her, moderate ones don't so much.

That's the problem, I can't think of any democrat that's a good candidate.
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Gerry1of1 Problem is, for some reason the far left simply take over the Dem primary process and the days of "moving to center" afterword (now they like to say they "pivot") are over. Folks don't buy it.
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trimble   If you're not super liberal you're still racist or waging a war on women.
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Quite aside from anything I might say about her in other contexts, she does not have the charisma required to win the election, and she is not capable of understanding why that is important. In that, and some other ways, she is very much like Hillary Clinton.

The Democratic candidate in 2020 will not be running against Donald Trump. A democrat can win only if he/she makes the right guess about who Republicans will nominate and stakes positions now to counter that candidate.
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