Volunteer Opportunity: IAB Is Looking for Editors

Submitted by: squrlz4ever 1 month ago in Misc



IAB is currently looking for content editors.

The editor role involves the following responsibilities:
  • Reviewing submitted content.
  • Finding appropriate content online and presenting it in an engaging fashion.
  • Editing submitted content and making decisions as to what's accepted and what's rejected.
  • Ensuring that content is consistently edited according to the house style.
  • Scheduling content for publication.

Note that this position is different from the moderator role. The sole focus of the editors is content; they will not be moderating users or enforcing the Community Standards in any way. Editors will, however, be full members of the IAB staff and have a voice in determining the website's operation and direction.

Although this is a volunteer position, there is a required minimum amount of work. Editors must publish two (2) articles per day, with at least one of those articles being submitted by a user not on the IAB staff. This two-article quota must be met even on days off, meaning that editors who don't want to work the weekends will need to queue up four articles in advance to cover those two days. (The quota will be suspended for occasional breaks and vacations.) This two-article minimum will typically require about 45 minutes to one hour of work per day.

Applicants should have all or most of the following qualifications:
  • Some long-term familiarity with the I-Am-Bored website and its reader culture.
  • A broad education in the humanities, either formal or self-taught. You need to be able to judge and edit content ranging from current events, to philosophy, to science, to pop culture, to politics and everything in between.
  • A talent with words, including a solid mastery of grammar and spelling.
  • Some professional editing and proofreading experience.
  • Some experience in developing and adhering to a style guide.
  • Some knowledge of HTML, Slack, Dropbox, and Photoshop Elements.

To apply, please use the Contact link at the bottom of the IAB pages. For Topic, select "Bugs & Other Site Feedback." In your email, please address the six qualification bullets above. Please also include a URL to a recent writing sample with your application; if you have no writing currently online, a file may be sent separately to [email protected]

The deadline for applications is December 26, at 11:59 PM. The IAB staff will be responding to all applications by January 2, 2019.
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Male 46,107
slow day
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Male 1,588
Merry Xmas to all the merry men and women of all political affiliations. As for all the members who  aren't Christians, I wish you all holidays of love and compassion with all  your loved ones. Much peace and empathy to all!
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Male 9,631
Happy Christmas. We don't seem to have a chritsmas post.   But this atheist is wishing you a merry time, whatever you believe in. I hope you are with friends.                                                                                       s                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Male 2,018
LordJim Happy Ho Ho, and have a cool Yule.  Friends and family is what it is all about.  Any thing else, no matter what 'else' you care about, is just icing on the fruit cake.
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Male 4,118
punko the icing is the best part!
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Male 46,107
Come on volunteers!!!! I've submitted lots of crap that never got posted.

Like Henri le cat noir ... he retired, his final video. Never got posted
Adolf the red nosed dinosaur. Never got posted.
etc
etc
etc

Step up volunteers
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Male 10,079
So just to verify the time commitments for this position, I timed how long it took me to program some content this morning. Including holiday-related interruptions, it took me 2 hrs 33 mins to edit and program six articles. Mind you, I'm doing this from a rocking chair on a Chromebook today, with no mouse -- this is not an efficient setup, so it slowed me down.

If I were working as an IAB editor, that would mean that in 2-1/2 hours, I met the quota for today and the next two days. I could take the next two days off now and resume work on Thursday.

Bottom line: Six to seven hours a week for this kind of work is a realistic estimate. Many could meet the weekly quota in five to six hours. The amount of writing or editing varies according to your interests and desire. What's most important is to have a feel for what kind of content IAB'ers are likely to find interesting and to know how to provide a mix of content.

I hope this information helps.
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Male 10,079
Four Three days left, guys. If you're interested in being an editor, get your application in. Can't win if you don't play, as they say.
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Male 46,107
Most IABers are like....

  "  I heard there were volunteer opportunities here !  "


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Male 939
I commend the volunteers. I meet most of the criteria. Im right leaning so add some thought diversity. However, that time commitment 14 articles a week. I have care commitments, a family, a full time job, studying a second degree. 

I would not commit to something I can't do.  If that volume would change it would be considered. 

As for getting more quality submissions. Have you considered a reward system of some sort? Monetary best submission of the month gets $20. Or free and have badges achievements? People already take pride in the comment count.
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Male 10,079
jayme21 Hey, Jayme. Please check your inbox; I've just sent you an email. Thanks!
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Male 10,079
jayme21 I appreciate the frankness regarding the time commitment, Jayme. As I've said, processing 14 articles per week will require about 6 to 7 hours on average. If your schedule is already tight, that's probably going to be hard to manage on a regular basis.

I like the incentives you've mentioned. Perhaps after we get the editors in place and functioning well we can look into one or more of those ideas.
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Male 46,107
squrlz4ever    So what's the response like?  Got many volunteers? Any likely candidates?
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Male 10,079
Gerry1of1 We have three applicants at this point. All look good at a cursory glance but I won't be giving real thought to the applications until we pass the deadline on the 26th.
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Male 9,631
 Some knowledge of HTML, Slack, Dropbox, and Photoshop Elements. 

Sorry, means nothing to me.I've got the rest, except adhering to a style guide. When it comes to style, I don't need a guide.
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Male 10,079
LordJim Not sure if you're being tongue-in-cheek here or not, but anyone doing editing in a professional fashion needs a style guide or, at a minimum, a style sheet. I used to work as a copyeditor. If you're working on a 400-page manuscript or a website, you need to make decisions on optional points of style and grammar and be consistent. Is it mousetraps or mouse traps? Copy editing or copyediting? Cancelling or canceling? 4 o'clock or 4:00 PM?

HTML is hypertext markup language, the code used for formatting text and other elements for display online. The other three are software, the first for team collaboration, the second for sharing files, and the third for editing photos. It would be helpful if the applicant knows something about these because it will help him or her hit the ground running. But the software isn't hard to learn and our use of HTML is limited; a person who's reasonably good with computers could pick them up quickly with just a little instruction.
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Male 9,631
squrlz4ever Yes, I was being tongue in cheek and I'm familiar with style guides.Alas, I really lack the IT skills. 
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Male 10,079
LordJim Thanks for the response, and I hope I didn't offend. I mentioned the style guide stuff, in part, because I'm thinking others who are considering the position may be reading these comments.

If you're considering the position, I wouldn't let the IT skills be a show-stopper. There's no programming involved. The amount of HTML is pretty trivial; anyone who can copy-and-paste and tweak some numbers here and there could do it.

What's most important are the editorial skills. The kind of people we're looking for are those who wince when they read an article on IAB with misspellings, or needless blank lines, or typos, or grammatical errors. We're hoping to build a small team of individuals who are willing to put in an hour a day or so to take IAB up a few notches in terms of the quality of the editing.
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Male 46,107
This is pinned to the top so is it gonna be the Open Forum ?
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Male 10,079
Gerry1of1 Nopus. DuckBoy has an OFF in place now.
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Male 46,107
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Male 2,277
Gerry1of1 I thought it was: "Bribe with cookies and eggnog"? ;-)
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Male 46,107
gohikineko Nuts. Bribe Squrlz with nuts
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Male 10,079
So I'm going to add a fresh comment to this board in an attempt to return focus to where it belongs: The editorships.

At this point, I think I've adequately explained why the IAB staff is looking to appoint some editors. What I don't think I've explained at all is why this is a good opportunity for the right persons.

For those looking to develop or sharpen their editorial skills, this volunteer position is ideal. With a commitment of 6 or 7 hours per week, you'll be able to put together a portfolio of written and edited web content, which could be used to land a paying position as a web content editor. You will learn more about writing and editing for the web than you'd ever learn in a college or adult-education course.

You may have no interest in doing editorial work professionally, and that's fine. It's still a peach of a job: If you're intelligent and like to work with words and ideas, you'd be hard-pressed to find more interesting work anywhere. Every day you'll get to select two topics to develop into short articles and see them published online almost immediately. Getting immediate reader feedback on your editorial work is rare and invaluable.

Due to the nature of IAB, you absolutely will not be working with boring content (or if you are, you're doing something wrong).

I can attest to the fact that the IAB staff is an interesting group and we have a lot of fun. We're supportive of one another and we're constantly improving our methods and skills. 

Bottom line: For the right individual or individuals, this is a great gig.
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Male 46,107
squrlz4ever   Golly, I'd help out but I lack the qualifications listed.
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Male 5,892
Gerry1of1 I can teach you in 3 simple steps how you can be the "Best Most Contributor Of All Contributors!"

1)  Capitalize all titles to submissions

2)  Use these 2 codes and replace where it says INSERT to link 1) articles or 2) images:

<a href="INSERT">name of site article or word</a>

<img src="INSERT" alt="name of image">

3)  Right Click on all YouTube videos and select "Copy Embed Code" option.  Change size to 750x422

That is it...YOU WIN!

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Male 967
kalron It is so beautiful!  Now I feel dopey for just sticking you all with just a link built from the toolbar.  :P
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Male 7,525
kalron Well why didn't you guys tell us this earlier sheesh..

Mind you, I really think this info should be its own thread because some folks won't happen to notice it here.

If we can help speed up stuff by sending in a format that's faster, that's a win for everyone.
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Male 5,892
daegog Honestly I never thought about it until last night.  I hope it helps though, the code is what is important.  I don't think that was shared before :)
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Male 4,559
daegog I actually have commented some guidelines to other users before. I think they fell on deaf ears (to no one's fault), but squrlz4ever is working diligently on a Submission Guideline, I do believe. And (crosses feathers) I think it will be a static link akin to the Standards page and company.
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Male 46,107
kalron   I used to capitalize my submission titles but was told to stop it.
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Male 5,892
Gerry1of1 Weird, I wouldn't have done that.  But now we know, and...

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Male 10,079
Gerry1of1 The... uhhh... desired format for submissions is kind of a moving target. As of right now, we want everyone to write the titles in Pig Latin and include a $20 PayPal donation with each submission.

~With the onset of holiday exhaustion, Squrlz' mischievous side begins to show~
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Male 10,079
Gerry1of1 Well, the job qualifications state "all or most" of the items, which was my way of indicating there's some leeway. I'd say you've got the first three bullets covered. Regarding the last three, if you don't have those, simply state as much in your email and then offer reasons as to why you think you'd still be good in the role.

One key caveat: The applicant must be willing to meet that 2 article/day minimum. That's a hard requirement.

If it helps, here's how we're planning to do the selection process: Once the application deadline passes, the staff members will be reading all the applications, discussing the applicants, and then voting. Our goal is to assemble a small team of editors that can take responsibility for editorial content in much the same way the team of mods we have are assuming responsibility for enforcing the Community Standards.
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Male 9,631
I would spend all morning putting a comma in, and all afternoon taking it out.
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Male 4,559
LordJim If it's any consolation, I do think you submit some pretty good content! And you're a gentleman to the end. While obviously I can't force anyone into something they're not willing, I do think you'd be a fine editor. Just my 2 cents.
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Male 9,631
DuckBoy87 Why, thank you.
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Male 13,505
this sounds uncannily like "volunteer to do the mods job"
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Male 6,503
monkwarrior, I finally agree with you. As a MOD I was spending a minimum of six hours a week clearing spam posts and formatting/editing member submissions. I really enjoyed the work, up until a fellow MOD's narcasistic behavior caused me to rightfully ask to have my MOD status removed.
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Male 6,337
markust lol i totally wonder who you are referring to. i've gone back to lurking and not posting for fear of angering people
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Male 2,277
markust O_o At least it wasn't my fault this time, eh?
Merry Christmas anyhow!
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Male 13,505
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Male 1,961
monkwarrior If you didn't post their job would be 90% done.
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Male 13,505
marsii I hardly post.  But you may get your desperate wish, since i'm moving away from this site more and more.  It's a waste of time dealing with whiners with sticks up their butts, like yourself.
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monkwarrior you should do it.
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Male 13,505
dm2754 i  have like 0 time for this
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7,056
monkwarrior i don't think it would take much more time. 

I would do it but  we all know how well i write
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Male 13,505
dm2754 I just don't have the time.  2 mandatory articles a day is a lot, that's 14 a week, which can be 14000 characters.  That doesn't include taking the time to view the material (and what if it's totally boring and you're not interested in it), and then reflecting on it to get something worthwhile.  Quite a commitment if you ask me, and probably better suited for someone who has dreams of becoming an editor.  I already type enough every day, and have little interest in becoming an editor.  My time is better spent doing other things.
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Male 10,079
monkwarrior And yet here you are, with 13,000+ comments on your account. ~scratches head~
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Male 13,445
squrlz4ever i give you all my LOLs for the week.
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Male 13,505
holygod still desperately holding a grudge, like a few others, i see.
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Male 1,961
squrlz4ever And time to reply to his own comment.
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Male 13,505
squrlz4ever i have a few minutes a day to comment
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Male 5,892
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Male 13,505
kalron excellent example of the 'circle-jerk' this site is becoming.  *hint* why numbers are sinking*
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Male 10,079
monkwarrior Hey, Monk. I'll do my best here to explain why the team has decided to go in this direction. The TLDR is pretty much what NF2 has stated; read on here if you want a bit more detail.

Over the past nine months, since it was first created, the Moderation Team has been working hard to renovate the IAB atmosphere into something that is generally friendly or at least civil and to eliminate spam as best we can. There was no volunteer team in place, which meant we had to put together some software, procedures, and documents -- a moderating infrastructure, if you will -- in addition to learning the job. Becoming a good moderator on a contentious website like IAB, in my experience, takes about a year. You learn from your mistakes, and it can be a bumpy ride.

In between the moderation duties, some of us have been posting and processing content. When Fancy and LittleMissQT were posting regularly, we were able to keep the content flowing pretty well. Lately, Fancy and QT have taken a break from posting and it's all fallen on the Moderation Team's shoulders. We're volunteers and the five of us have only so much time outside of our careers and families. Personally, I'm not comfortable asking anyone to give much more than about 45 mins to an hour of their time a day on an ongoing basis. (How quickly does that time get chewed up? Well, just answering the questions on this one board this morning, and coordinating my responses with the other moderators, will consume more than that one hour.)

Keeping on top of the moderation duties requires a solid hour a day by each member of the current staff. If things blow up -- and they often do -- all of us can wind up spending two or more hours cleaning up the mess.

In addition, switching back and forth between editing content and moderating users is inefficient. They're separate skill sets. I would much rather have the moderators able to focus on moderating and editors able to focus on editing. It's possible that one or two of the current staff will serve on both teams -- although that would mean that person would have to commit double the volunteer hours on a daily basis. Personally, I think I'll leave the daily editing work to the editors and simply pass on content to them on an occasional basis, just as a regular user would.

Will this work? I hope so. I think it makes a lot of sense. The Moderation Team took a confidential ballot on the approach and it passed unanimously. We're all thinking this is a good way forward for IAB. And if we try it and it doesn't work for some reason? We'll adjust or retire the approach and try something else.

I hope this helps!
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Male 13,505
squrlz4ever thanks for clarifying!
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Male 46,107
squrlz4ever   You make spending two hours online sound like a long time.
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Male 10,079
Gerry1of1 Well, keep in mind that in the scenario I was describing, that two hours is moderating only. Currently, that means that once the mod issue is over with, one or more of us then need to put in another two to three hours to process submissions. Add that to a day job and a family and you can see the bind we've been in.
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Male 5,892
Gerry1of1 Hey, I have to share my online time between moderating and masturbating ;)
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Male 46,107
kalron   @  I would moderate a porn site.
Exercise my multitasking skills.
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Male 7,525
squrlz4ever THIS is why i cant be a mod.  There were two choices to be made in this situation, you could:

1) Write 6 paragraphs explaining this situation to a rude person

2) Ban his ass and go about my day.

What do you think I would have done lol.
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Male 13,445
daegog ya. No shit. The people who work for free taking care of a site that is free are asking if anyone would like to help? What a bunch of assholes!
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Male 9,692
monkwarrior Seeing as the Moderators don't get paid i'm going with it sounds like asking for volunteers to do the editors job.  
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Male 13,505
normalfreak2  but with the personal attacks now under control, that should have freed up time to post some posts.  just saying
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Male 7,525
monkwarrior So they are not allowed to have lives and be busy too?  

If you do not have time or thoughtfulness to volunteer that is fine, but do not berate others when they ask for help in a community environment.
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Male 13,505
daegog why be rude?
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Male 704
monkwarrior   In what alternate universe was daegog rude? The Mods are volunteers. Complaining that Mods are "asking for volunteers to do their job" is what's rude. They are simply asking for help running the big website. Here's an idea! Instead of complaining, why not volunteer yourself to pitch in on the big website?
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Male 13,505
wellsy57 In our universe, rude right out the gate, then goes on to imply im beating others when i'm not.  daegog tends to reply rudely to me anyway.
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Male 7,525
wellsy57 Thank you wellsy.  I was wondering if he even understood his own statement.
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Male 10,079
daegog wellsy57 monkwarrior I think we're all OK here. I wasn't offended by Monk's question and I can understand why someone might be puzzled that we're looking for editors. After all, we've got mods so why do we need editors? It was probably a good thing for everyone that the question was asked and that we had an opportunity to explain the situation in some detail.
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Male 887
I'd rather take a hammer to my testicles than moderate an online forum.

I mean... Jesus. People like me post on those things.
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Male 2,277
profworm What did Groucho say? "I refuse to join any club that would accept a low-life like me as a member."

Pretty close: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/04/18/groucho-resigns/
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Male 46,107
profworm     Best to avoid them.
People who moderate online forums may have other nasty habits.
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Male 10,079
Gerry1of1 *ahem* Are you implying something, Mr. Gerry? I can't be faulted if I find the occasional ankle irresistible.

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Male 3,055
squrlz4ever Ahem...."Ankles". Nuff said.
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Male 46,107
squrlz4ever   What you need is an ankle monitor
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Male 10,079
Gerry1of1 Hmmm. Now that's interesting. A little electronic ankle thingie... to make sure I stay away from ankles.

Je refuse! My libido will not be curtailed. So many ankles, so little time!
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Male 46,107
squrlz4ever    #SqurlzPorno

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Male 10,079
profworm Just to clarify: The editor role is different from the moderator role. Editors will focus on content and have nothing to do with enforcing the Community Standards (unless it's an individual who serves in both roles).
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Male 2,277
Mee! Meee! I volunteer!
Hey, is that pepper spray? Oh it's bear spra.... AAAAGH!!
:/
(forges gerry1's application form for him)
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Male 10,079
BoredHuman Daegog I thought the comments of you two regarding Khan were so funny I was sorry to see them go when I deleted Khan's spam. Here they are in a screenshot, so others can see.

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Male 2,277
squrlz4ever That is mind-alteringly funny stuff! :-) 
Thanks S4, BH and d-gog.
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Female 9,822
If I didn't work away from a computer, I would of loved to do this.
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Male 10,079
panth753 Panth, I can't speak for the rest of the staff (appointing editors will be a team decision), but I think you'd make a strong applicant. Are you sure you couldn't get 45 mins to an hour per day on a computer to do the editing?
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Female 9,822
squrlz4ever I think could do it at least most days. Days (or rather nights) I work, I only an hour or two at best to be on my laptop. But I will definitely think about it, especially since things will be lighter after Christmas at work.
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I think everyone here is pretty good at submitting interesting content
The only problem we have is a subjective point of view over what is interesting. I feel were missing out on a lot of good contacts because one person didn't find it interesting.even though we have dozens of post no one Seems to be interested in. 
I'm cuious what everybody's submit versus approval ratio is.
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Male 10,079
dm2754 DM, I'll do my best to address your observations here.

I don't think we're missing out on as much content as you're thinking. It would be wonderful if every morning, we found 10 great submissions from users in the queue, but that's not the reality. More typically, we'll have 3 good submissions; and then 2 or 3 poor submissions, such as a single link to a video or webpage that simply isn't that interesting or that's already been posted, with a bad or misleading title and subtitle, and no thumbnail image. Then there will be six commercial spam submissions touting, for example, a cosmetic surgeon in Dallas, Texas and call girl services in Bangalore.

Currently, there is no single person who is processing the content. All of the mods have processed at least some content. Lately, Kalron, NF2, and DuckBoy have been putting up a lot. Sometimes I'm on a roll, myself. Sometimes I'll step back for a few days because of moderation duties or pressing real-life stuff.

As far as the editors go, what I hope we are able to do is appoint at least one editor who is a liberal and at least one who is a conservative. The Moderation Team all want a diversity of views on here, believe it or not; we take that seriously. MelCervini, as you know is a conservative and a strong Second Amendment defender; DuckBoy has described himself as centrist, leaning right. In the new year, we'll probably be adding one or more moderators to the team and I'm hoping at least one of them will be a conservative.

In terms of an approval ratio for submitters, that depends on a number of things. If the submitter is providing a good headline and subhead and a thumbnail image, the chances of the submission being published are high. If the submission is lacking all those things, moderators are more likely to take a pass.

Sometimes a submission will come in that's a lot of work: The submitter will include links to 5 different articles, for example, and will plagiarize the first 10 paragraphs from one of the articles. To do the developmental editing required to make the submission publishable, in a case like that, can take two solid hours. First, the moderator has to spend 30 minutes reading the links to figure out what the person is trying to communicate and get a basic understanding of the subject; then he needs to rewrite the copy to adhere to fair-use standards; then he needs to come up with an appropriate headline and subhead; then he needs to take screenshots from the original articles to get one image for the thumbnail and at least one image for the body of the article; then he needs to write a caption for the main photo that includes the photo credit from the original source. That is a great deal of work to expect from someone who is volunteering his or her time.

All right; I've gone on way too long here. Hope this helps.
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squrlz4ever a high rejection factor keeps a lot of people from submitting.a lot of times I think about submitting something and then figure out why bother.
I get about one out of six posted
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Male 2,277
dm2754 I've got 13 posts and 19 not posted (yet anyhow) so... 40%
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Male 9,631
dm2754 Post better stuff. I think I'm around 60%.
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Male 2,018
squrlz4ever Makes me sad that the political leanings of an editor for a community entertainment website is considered important.
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Male 10,079
punko Yeah, it's the new America, alas. Politics seem to have creeped into everything. Division is running high. All of this makes me more passionate, rather than less, about IAB: I really think it's important to have websites where individuals all over the political spectrum can socialize. There is way too much compartmentalizing on the internet.
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dm2754 meaning the liberal bias and pc bullshit we are currently subjected to.
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andy_bart proves my point. lol. if you ad hom when you argue you already lost.
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Male 9,692
andy_bart If by "liberal bias and pc bullshit" you mean Facts and evidence then yea.  Sorry We don't like posting nonsensical flamebait.
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Male 13,445
andy_bart if you want to metaphorically gargle Trump's cock I can give you some site suggestions.
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Male 2,277
holygod Wow, such high class! You've literally taken the high road proven yourself to be an obnoxious fuck-wit.
You seriously don't think the posts presented skew left? Seriously now? Really?
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Male 13,445
gohikineko yes. Of course they skew left. This site tends to appeal to educated techies and professionals. The audience is more liberal so the content is more liberal. If you want a more conservative site feel free to go to it.

I've always meant to ask given how often you call me a fuck wit or something similar, do you honestly think you are smarter than I am? Politics and opinions aside, just a measure of raw intelligence.
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Male 2,277
holygod Snort! Oh noooo, you're soooo much smarter than meeeeee! Please lecture me some more about how 1.2 trillion is less than 800 million... or how Zimmerman HAD NO BLOOD ON HIS HEAD (in the police station after the paramedics had cleaned him up) and thus was a cold racist murderer it's an irrefutable fact!!! ... go on! There's so much more your vastly superior leftist intellect knows! Screw facts and evidence, YOU KNOW so much you don't need any of that!

(You are so astonishingly wrong in some cases, and flat-out refuse to admit it? You cannot be taken the least bit seriously. If you hold Opinion A? I'll wager that Opinion B is the truth, until further investigation.)
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gohikineko no idea what you're babbling about in regards to the numbers or Zimmerman. Not sure if you have me confused with someone else or reality has gotten distorted once again through the prism of your mind.

I was just curious to know if you were crazy enough to actually think you were smarter than I am. You answered that adequately.

Maybe do a little reflection. Look at your life and what you've achieved and ask yourself what leads you to believe that you are smart....
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holygod Facts lead me to believe I'm far smarter than you are, simple really.

Here's a blast from the past: you lost nearly every part of these arguments, yet you flat-out refused to admit it! Even the dictionary was wrong (according to you) and you were perfect :p
https://www.i-am-bored.com/2017/08/60-year-old-woman-fatally-shoots-armed-home-intruder

You used to constantly claim Zimmerman was a murderer, Martin was an innocent little kid (based on the picture of him when he was 13) and all that rot. You and NF2 posted that garbage constantly. You were 100% wrong on all of it, as proven in court (which is always NF2's obsession, lolz!) and borne out by ALL the evidence.

By the way, what was the picture posted here? It's gone now, but I total forget what it was :/
https://www.i-am-bored.com/2015/02/the-wall-in-5catss-apartment-pic.html
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gohikineko see and I just re read those and think I dusted the floor with you. Again, I think this is a perspective thing. Where did I argue with the dictionary? I remember you arguing about what the definitions of rape and sexual assault were and you were definitively wrong. I also remember you arguing about the definition of burglary was and you were definitively wrong. You claimed you were still right because that is what the word means to you.

Zimmerman was a murderer. I think he was a pudgy little fake tough guy wannabe and he harassed, followed, and confronted someone who did nothing wrong. Then he got in a confrontation and caught a beating and like a pussy he pulled out a gun. I don't think Martin was going to beat him to death. It wasn't a life and death situation.

The picture was of someone's wall of conspiracy stuff with red string connecting things like Obama and Hillary. It wasn't mean spirited at all.
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holygod Oh ok, there weren't actual catgirl posters or anything. 

You claimed I was using a word incorrectly, I offered the dictionary definition (even linked it) and you still refused to change your insults/attacks. Kept on insisting you were right and I (and thus the dictionary) was wrong. You and a couple of others do that a lot...

Martin was a thug, a criminal and a drug addict. Zimmerman had a history of helping black people and wasn't white himself. Facts matter, but not to you.

https://www.i-am-bored.com/2016/05/george-zimmerman-is-selling-his-gun-used-to-kill-trayvon-martin.html

See? Same as ever.
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gohikineko again I say "where?". Quote it.
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holygod I just told you clearly: you said word X meant Y, I said it meant Z. I produced a Dictionary Link showing it meant Z, yet you continued to claim it meant Y and that I was wrong saying it meant Z. Which the Dictionary also said (Z), so you argued that the Dictionary was wrong, like you've done a few times before.

Ignoring facts is your second most favorite thing it seems, after flat-out lying. Re: "I didn't insult anyone. Read." Lolz! Riiiight!
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gohikineko You can say this happened. I don't recall. I don't believe I did. So WHERE?
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holygod I gave a link, the dictionary link in it is a clue to the location of that part of the conversation. It is unfortunate that the tree-format makes following it difficult, but it isn't that hard to do: I did it and so can you.

You didn't OUTRIGHT SAY the Dictionary was wrong this time (but you and others have before) but you continued to "double down" on insisting I was using the word incorrectly, even when the dictionary had proved otherwise. That is, defacto, saying the dictionary is wrong and your version is right, without anything to back your opinion up of course.

You can keep doubling down until the cows come home: you're still wrong and you're still insulting. Those facts will not change no matter how angry you get.
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gohikineko I would certainly say that the majority of the poilitical posts presented on IAB skew to the left of your viewpoint.
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punko Are you suggesting (for example) that the rabid anti-Trump fakenews which often gets posted is... moderate? Centerist? Lolz! Whoo golly that's a hoot!

Yes leftist propaganda is left "of my viewpoint" and also left of the vast majority of people too...
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gohikineko keep calling it "fake news" and I'll keep watching the indictments and sentences rack up.

Meanwhile I got tho listen to you rant and rave about the irs, benghazi, Clinton Foundation, fast and furious, etc which resulted in not a single piece of verifiable evidence.

You are a non stop "fake news" machine. Go gather some more Bullshit talking points from crazy right wing blogs in the "center".
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holygod High class all the way eh? That's a mighty big hill you imagine you're standing on (as I look down on you) ...
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gohikineko as you look down on me from your high station in life? Ok.
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holygod Morally speaking, yup! Your childish insults prove that, clearly.
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gohikineko re read the posts and see if you can spot which one of us started the insults.....
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holygod As I've stated many times, and proven with many examples: I usually (not every time) do not open with insults. Almost always I reply in kind if I am saying insulting things. 
ie: someone makes a minor insult? I'll make a minor insult back. major one? Major back & etc.

I'm not perfect, I'll snap and bite first now and then, but not often. (snap as in a biting action I mean, lolz!)
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gohikineko you do see that you started it right? I made a comment that wasn't directed at you and didn't insult anyone and the very first thing you said to me was to call me "an obnoxious fuck wit". That's fine. I don't mind. We can mix it up occasionally. But you can't start the insults and then complain that I'm insulting you.
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holygod Yes, in this case I 'started it' after you threw a vile insult at someone else. I never once claimed I 'never' start insulting, and your defense of "I was insulting someone else..." actually strengthens my claim that you (and others) are often the starters of these things.
Happy yet? :-)

Do you remember going on and on about how guilty Zimmerman was yet? You did it for years you know, in spite of him being innocent and stuff. I don't recall if you did the same thing with Brown/Wilson? I know NF2 sure did, lolz!
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gohikineko I didn't insult anyone. Read.
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holygod "Andy Bart if you want to metaphorically gargle Trump's cock..."

It's deplorable to lie about things so obvious, you do know that eh? And yet you do it anyhow. Another shameful fail, sigh.
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gohikineko "if you want to" is an insult? Ok champ. Believe whatever you want.

IF YOU WANT to sound like a fucking idiot keep it up.
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holygod You lose. Bye now.
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gohikineko Centrist articles are left of your viewpoint.  I believe you would agree that your viewpoint is to the right of centre.
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punko Lolz! My point is that this is FAR from 'centerist' it is rabidly leftist like the rest of the DNC and MSM is. So even people "left of center" call this sort of fakenews leftist tripe...
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gohikineko From your viewpoint, the left seems far left, the centre seems left, the near right appears left leaning and the alt-right seems centrist.

You've probably noticed that most folks on this site do not have views as far right as yours.  This means the centre of the IAB viewership aligns to the left of your position.

I am also interested in what you consider 'leaning left'  'centrist' 'leading right'.  I would also like to know what news organization you consider to be "far right'.
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punko So far-left views aren't actually far left if a person is far right? that is: a view even a centrist would agree is far-left is no longer far-left if I think it is far-left. That makes perfect Liberal Logic!

Thus: the highly leftist & biased MSM is no longer leftist and biased because I am a right winger (and presumably also biased). 

Perhaps you're implying that I am unable to tell what is far-left, left, center-left, center, center-right & etc, based entirely on the merits of those positions? That's bloody insulting actually, no thanks.

Obviously there's lots of outspoken left-leaning persons, most 'righties' keep quiet because of endless personal attacks, like HG just below this comment, see? It doesn't make the failed ideas and policies of the left actually work, they're still miserable failures.

There are far-right blogs and such, but no news organization is right wing. Even Fox News (as opposed to the separate Fox TV stations) isn't "far" right, they have centrist and even left-wing content too, just a lot less than the rest of the MSM does. More center than MSM, less leftist I mean. And obviously much more right-wing, although that isn't difficult.
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gohikineko if you admit that you are biased how can you fairly determine what is the center?
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holygod If I'm standing in the end zone of the home team? I can still tell what the midfield stripe is, and where their 20 yard line is. It isn't rocket surgery... that other goal post I see? From ANY position on the field it is inside THEIR end-zone. If it is in front of or behind me is irrelevant.

Everyone is biased, that's human nature, it is unavoidable. To claim MY biases blind me while YOUR biases do not is... very liberal of you.
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gohikineko I'm sorry if you feel you've been insulted.  However, you continue to claim that the entire "mainstream media" is very leftest. You've just claimed that Fox News, while being right wing, is closer to the centre than the rest of the "mainstream media".

From above " rabidly leftist like the rest of the DNC and MSM is. "

You are claiming that with the exception of Fox News, all other major news organizations are "rabidly lefist".

This simply does not match reality.  Your personal definitions of what is centre are significantly right wing.  Hell, it's seriously right wing for America, who's entire political spectrum is to the right of centre in comparison to the Canadian spectrum.

I'm quite sure you know a far left position when you see it, but I doubt you can tell it apart from a left leaning one. Why? from your perspective they'd both be far left.

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punko I can certainly tell (in my opinion) there's a big difference between "far left" and other spots on the arbitrary spectrum. They don't "all look alike to me" and even if they're far away from my position I'm fully capable of understanding what they think they're promoting (although the farther left you go? The less honest they get because few people would support them if they knew the extent of their insanity).
Suggesting I cannot is saying I'm an idiot, it's a highly negative stereotype pushed by... the MSM and DNC among others.

Both in their co-ordinated focus on promoting the left-liberal causes, and their united denial of any coverage that might put conservatives in a good light? The MSM is guilty by both actions and omissions of complete and utter bias. This is why fewer people believe them than ever: it isn't possible to lie that much and that often and get away with it.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/04/leftist_propaganda_thwarts_unity.html

Oh it's 4% not 2%, but that's a really minor error :/

Again: local stations aren't part of this: they have to keep their viewers and thus need to accurately reflect what their audience thinks or they'll bolt. The national stations have no such issues: they push the hard line 24/7 with no need for facts, thought or even truth: just the marching orders which they follow blindly and wilfully: 1984 style.
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gohikineko Its obvious your position will not change and that's just fine.  It's also just fine that your perspective on the political spectrum is different than mine.

However, the statement "The MSM is guilty by both actions and omissions of complete and utter bias" is complete bullshit.  Giving the hard right equal air time as to centrist issues is like giving intelligent design and flat earth theory equal teaching time in schools.  How much are communist positions openly discussed in a positive light?  Oh that's right.  they aren't The only people who mention communism are the far right, when they use the term to vilify concepts like state-funded healthcare, education, welfare, social housing, minimum wage, and labour standards.  You know, the very things that separate the happiest, healthiest, and most stable countries from the rest.

"Co-ordinated focus on promoting the left-liberal causes, and their united denial of any coverage that might put conservatives in a good light" again, this is completely your perspective; which is fine for you as your definition of left-liberal causes is entirely different than most folks.  Most folks don't see left-leaning - they  see it as centrist.  What you see as centrist, most folks see as hard right.  Supporting an (acknowledged) far right position means that you're not going to see your positions as often as the rest of the political spectrum.  This is simply the fact that your position is not central to the overall population!


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punko Here:
 https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/left_yells_about_brazils_bolsonaro_as_threat_to_press_just_as_socialist_nicaragua_actually_shuts_it_down.html
This is a standard leftist tactic: accuse (falsely) the conservatives of wanting to do what the leftists actually are doing. Then whoever points out that the left is actually doing it is just 'whataboutism' or something. Ignoring that actual acts (and facts) are not the same as scaremongering accusations.

Here:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/12/did_the_media_care_when_obama_fired_general_mattis.html
Again: the left does it? That's perfectly fine. The right does it? Outrage = 11!!! 

On and on the bias of the MSM is endless and obvious.
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punko Pfft! Octavio whatshername is a hard-left communist and a darling of the MSM. She can do no wrong, even when she frolics with known anti-Semites, lies about her past or many other things that would sink a conservative? she gets a free pass. Hell, they make excuses for her! She doesn't even have to defend anything, no one asks her hard questions!
A high ranked DNC guy running for office was being accused by his former GF of beating her more than once. There were police reports, photos, documented evidence: no "Metoo" movement went after him, no MSM covered it except with the excuses to cover for him. The MSM is still attacking HER and covering it up for him.

I could name a dozen hard-left communist DNC members (Bernie? Remember him?) who are glorified by the MSM without hesitation.

How about this? Name a "communist" who's been attacked by the MSM networks lately for being too "far left"? I think there are few or none to be found.

Hells bells! The MSM openly supports and encourages AntiFa. Why would they balk at a communist? 

Last paragraph: No. That is simply leftist excuses trying to obscure the issue. A leftist is a leftist from any point of view. I'm not talking "relative to me" I'm talking flat-out hard-left. It isn't difficult to spot them, they don't even try to hide it, not much anyhow. So no matter where on the political spectrum I sit? Octavio is a communist and an anti-Semite, period. The New Green Deal is outright fascism disguised as "Gaia"... 
Claiming I am too stupid to know the difference between a centrist and a leftist is bloody insulting, yet you keep 'doubling down' on that.

One's perspective only affects judgements of wrongness: Leftist see Octavio Cortez as a liberal champion, right-thinking people see her as a liar and a hypocrite. But everyone knows the fact: she's a hard-left socialist/communist (by her own words) and that isn't up for debate. She's attacking Pelosi for being too far right!
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gohikineko *shakes head* You must follow different "msm" media that I do. "Antifa" doesn't show up.  I've never heard of Octavio anyone.  Calling Bernie is a communist is a stretch.

As a note, the only time I hear "antifa" is from right wing folks screaming about unbalanced media attention.
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punko Honest question: how can you not know who AntiFa is? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

It's their name, it has nothing at all to do with a 'vast right wing conspiracy' and they are very real and far-left.
Canadian's most neutral news network says:
https://globalnews.ca/news/3675929/what-is-antifa-far-left-group/

Sanders is a self-described socialist, man where do you get this amazing lack of basic information from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Sorry; Alexandria-Ocasio Cortez: fruitcake and uber-leftist Democrat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez
And MSM darling.

Any luck finding the MSM attacking someone for their leftist or communist platform yet?
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gohikineko Umm "socialist" is not "communist"  "Amazing lack of basic information"  Please.  You said communist, this is not socialist.  You said A, that didn't match my information so I indicated that seemed a stretch.  when called on it, you now say B.  So which is it, A or B?  They are certainly NOT the same thing.

Again, the only groups that even mention "ANTIFA" are right wing groups. I occasionally watch global news, and I've never heard the term there.

Never heard of her. Not bothering to look her up, as she never shows up when I'm watching news. "MSM Darling" again, you must watch different broadcasts than I.

I don't think I've ever watched a news/political discussion even include a communist.  They're just really fringe.  I have heard a great deal of bashing of those promoting green rebate programs, public transportation, provincial day care, etc..  But then again, those are hardly "communist ideas".

I dunno.  Maybe I don't support aggressive, ratings-driven broadcast media that "attacks" a person?

<shrug>
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punko Spilt a hair much? I theory they're different, but in reality it's very difficult to tell them apart. Mostly they're the same damn thing. They are intertwined like Siamese twins.

Never heard of AntiFa? Ok then! Shows how well the MSM boycott of saying bad things about them is working, lolz.

Communists (these days) generally try to pass themselves off as other things to avoid the stigma of 100 years of abject failure and hundreds of millions of deaths. "Democratic Socialism" is the latest euphemism, especially popular with Democrats of course.
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gohikineko You ever consider the theory of relativity? Maybe the "MSM" is pretty center but you are so pants shittingly, unbelievably, ridiculously far to the extreme right that the center appears way left from your perspective. What media IS center in your opinion?
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holygod Now you're just being both rude, insulting AND pedantic, as usual. I thought you'd outgrown that phase already...

No, the ultra-biased MSM is not 'centerist' in any way, shape or form. They occasionally allow center-left and even actual 'neutral' (centrist) stories and coverage? But the general rule they follow is: all left is right, all right is wrong.
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gohikineko again, perspective. Of course you think they are way left. I think fox news is way right while you think they are too liberal I'd imagine. I've had people on breitbart tell me fox is leftist.

Again, what news is centrist in your opinion?
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holygod Fox TV stations are easily the most centrist. Occasional MSM local stations may reflect their community, skew right perhaps? but as a whole even they skew left overall, just not as much as the national network does.
CNN used to be better balanced, but threw that out the window entirely. They're even worse than MSNBC now... and shameless about it too!

As I said above: MSM is leftist by any measure, it doesn't matter who is viewing it, it's way over there by any reasonable definition.
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gohikineko who is farther from center in your opinion, CNN or FOX NEWS?
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holygod Both are equally distant. 
CNN used to be much closer to the center, but moved liberal/left a whole lot in the past 3-4 years. Firing anyone moderate and replacing them with leftists, while keeping lunatics like Lemon on staff.
FOX used to be firmly on the right, but have slid towards the center the past 2-3 years. They're still "right wing" of course, but not as much as they used to be. Of course I don't watch FOX so it's second hand info to me.
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gohikineko that's a reasonable response.
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Are you accepting nominations?

I would like to nominate Gerry.
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daegog   Awww gee!  You're making me blush

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daegog Anyone interested in an editorship will need to apply to be considered. Discussions as to whom you guys think might make a good editor are welcome but, again, the individual has to apply to be in the running.
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