"Why Are They So Angry?"

Submitted by: daegog 1 month ago in News & Politics

From: The South China Morning Post

A young American adventurer who was killed with arrows by a tribe of remote hunter-gatherers on an Indian Ocean island was trying to bring Christianity to the tribe, according to notes written by the would-be missionary.

North Sentinel Island, which is out of bounds for visitors, is home to the Sentinelese community, believed to be the last pre-Neolithic tribe in the world.

The American, identified as 27-year-old John Allen Chau of Alabama, was killed last week after being illegally ferried to the island by fishermen, according to Dependra Pathak, the director general of police in Andaman and Nicobar, an Indian territory.

A source with access to handwritten notes that Chau gave to the fishermen to pass on to a friend said that Chau described taking scissors, safety pins and a football as gifts to the tribe.

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Male 139
They are real tough against an unarmed kid who just wanted to talk to them, about what is his own business.  I'd like to go over there with a couple of Apache attack copters and let Mr Thundermaker bark some fire on their primitive asses.  She how they like it when they don't have the upperhand and can't take human life as they please.
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Male 46,097
spentmiles  I think your comment is just to stir people up and you don't really mean it. No one would be that stupid.
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Male 2,345
spentmiles Being ready and willing to go up against a couple of dozen naked aborigines with "a couple of Apache attack copters"  sounds awfully tough to me. You're a scary guy!
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Male 2,015
spentmiles It is regrettable that a human life was taken.  However, I place a large portion of the blame of the 'kid' and the rest on the idiots who indoctrinated this kid with the idea that proselytizing to anyone was a good idea.  This kid died because he was naive, poorly informed, and basically brainwashed.

Laws were specifically put in place to prevent contact.  Did he believe he was above the law?  Yes, and for that he died.  He died because he went where he wasn't asked, wasn't wanted, wasn't permitted, wasn't allowed, and died because of the dangers he knew about.  Why did he do this? Because he believed it was his obligation under his religion.

This is 'entering a liion's enclosure at a zoo' level of stupidity.  the fact that his religion will grant him martyr's standing and give him a free pass for his actions will encourage more stupidity of this nature in the future.

His decisions caused his death. He himself, and those that indoctrinated him, are 100% to blame.  If he did not make his decisions there would be no death.

Simply coming in physical contact could have wiped out this civilization, this tribe.

There is no hell hot enough for those that condone his actions.
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Male 139
motownc There are maybe 15 of these tribesman on the island.  I'm not down with playing pretend with them just so these numb nuts in rags can continue to believe its 10,000 BC.  They made the decision to kill an American citizen on sight.  They will now be rounded up and forced to stand trial.  I could care less what hocus pocus the little retarded kid wanted to spread on the island.  You don't get to kill men and walk away.
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Male 2,345
spentmiles "There are maybe 15 of these tribesman on the island."
No one knows how many people there are on North Sentinel Island. Guesses vary wildly. What we do know is that it is their island. They made the decision to defend their borders with lethal force. They will not stand trial, because what they did was in accordance with their law.

"You don't get to kill men and walk away."
Ah, but you do. All sovereign nations get to kill men, and women and children. They aren't walking away, though. They are standing their ground, because it is their ground.
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Male 2,015
spentmiles No.  The 'kid' was there illegally.  he broke several laws just by being there.  All of this is on him.  His nationality has nothing to do about anything.  He was warned.  He was fully aware that what he was doing was illegal, and did it anyway.  His crime was pre-meditated.  He had no right to be there.

This is crawling over a barrier, walking past the do not enter sign and dying in a volcano caldera.
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Male 139
casaledana So the new penalty for trespassing is death?  Should make the little dust up we got going on down south a little easier to clean up.
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Male 2,015
spentmiles He was not simply 'trespassing'.  And he didn't die as a 'penalty'.  He died due to his stupidity and culpability.  What pathologists used to call "death by misadventure".  He was never charged with a crime, nor put on trial, so this wasn't the government putting a punishment on a convicted felon.  this was him facing the consequences of being a fool.

A Darwin award worthy performance, I might add.
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Male 226
spentmiles I'm sorry, but there's only one person that's made to look like a primitive ass by your comment.

As I think you'll struggle to work it out, here's a hint; it's you.
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Male 139
motownc You sound like you wear a cape to the grocery store.
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Male 226
spentmiles OK, thanks for that, I think.

I'm curious to see what you feel was the best potential outcome of this person's endeavour.

To illegally and deliberately infect and destroy an "uncontacted" culture with an alien ideology that they have repeatedly demonstrated resistance to.

To illegally and accidentally infect and destroy an "uncontacted" culture with common diseases for which they have no resistance.

Uncontacted people are probably outnumbered by wild tigers. Where they have clearly expressed a desire to be left alone, that should be absolutely respected. 
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Male 139
casaledana I don't support the taking of human life, especially when the person killed is armed with nothing more than ideas. These people forfeited their right to be left alone when they killed an unarmed man.  Now they will face the full and horrible consequences of their actions, filled with the regret that they haven't updated their weaponry in centuries.  If you say that this young man got what was coming to him, then you must agree that these people are entitled to the same.
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Male 2,345
spentmiles "armed with nothing more than ideas"
He was armed with the full panoply of diseases to which people in his home state of Alabama are now immune. The people of North Sentinel Island are protectected by the Indian government for several reasons, one of which is that "they are uniquely vulnerable to epidemic disease." His presence could mean the death of everyone on the island. You support that.
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Male 226
spentmiles Firstly, they wont face any consequences at all, and rightly so. 

Secondly, how can you forfeit your right to be left alone by reacting to that very right being illegally breached? 

Thirdly, the foreign ideas that he was "armed" with are potentially as toxic to the survival of their culture as the myriad of foreign viruses and bacteria he was armed with.

While the outcome is obviously regrettable, you cannot judge the actions of these people by your own standards. If we are going down the full straw man argument route, then all people should be allowed to illegally invade your country to instill a foreign ideology without consequence.


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Male 139
LordJim So if a couple of Mormons knock on your door, you're cool to just gun them down?
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Male 9,626
spentmiles I wouldn't do that. In fact I invite them into my home. But If they were bringing horrible diseases, pushing their way in without invitation, if they had a history of enslavement and exploitation and if I had put up a big sign saying "Fuck off or die." I would say that was fair enough.
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Male 226
spentmiles I really don't think there's a better dictionary definition of a straw man argument. 
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Apparently, he was killed after his third attempt,  During the first intrusion, he was shot with arrows, his canoe was broken by the tribe, and he swam back out to the fishermen he had hired.  Yet he still went back, until they killed the stupid fucker.
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Male 2,793
They have little chance of finding the body, the last two people to get killed there were never found, these people hate outsiders so much that after a hurricane India sent a couple of helos to check them out to make sure they were ok. They drove them off by firing arrows at the Helicopters.
  Take that civilization.
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Female 6,818
casaledana That's how I feel when I play Civilization 4 on brutal level.  me: "Yay I learned crossbow tech!"   :::gets taken out by another player's nuke.:::
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Male 2,793
"a friend said that Chau described taking scissors, safety pins and a football as gifts to the tribe." Well that explains it everyone knows that the Sentinelese are cricket fans.

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7,050
Honestly that's the proper response when you come across missionaries. They always do more harm than good
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Male 403
I've met some of these missionary types in Africa; they possess a special form of arrogance. I much preferred the Irish catholics, they drank.
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Male 2,264
mikesex When I was a little kitty (about 30 years ago) two elderly Irish ladies came to my house. They were doing missionary work for the Catholic church in unusual places, like Winnipeg, Canada. It's what they did on their vacations, go around poor neighborhoods and talk about Mother Church. I admire their courage!
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Male 9,626
mikesex Met a few mishies back in the day. Met two on Bali in the 80's. I pointed out that the locals seemed to be perfectly happy with the religion they had and there were already a couple of christian churches but they were determined to spread their version of the word, financed by their evangelical church. I almost admired the nerve of it. 
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Male 403
LordJim I was working in Northern Nigeria in the late 60's where our club was the usual (bit similar to the US country clubs) arrangement of clubhouse, swimming pool, golf course, tennis court.

There was also a boarding school for the kids of American missionaries, SIM, SUM etc. in the town.

The club members were quite happy for the teachers at the school to use the pool without paying any fees.

Pool is wall offed, only accessible by walking through the main area which includes the bar.

So, imagine a group of members finishing work early Saturday afternoon, first beer of the weekend  when some of these missionary twats walk past commenting " Why couldn't they put a door in the wall of the pool so we wouldn't have to walk past these men drinking?"

"Fuck you, bitches, why not build a swimming pool that your pupils could enjoy instead of just the teachers sponging off the Club members?' (Muttered under breath)
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Male 1,213
The sad thing is that he was indoctrinated to think that pushing his beliefs upon others was a good thing, that he was doing god's work. However I've made that point already, what does irk me is that tax payers money will be spent to try and recover the body. He's dead and buried, why risk more lives and waste more resources? 
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Male 46,097
I am reminded of the musical Chicago and the song 'The Cell Block  Tango'
in which 6 merry murderesses sing about their crime 

"He had it coming
He had it coming
He only had himself to blame
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You get my point
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Male 2,015
Gerry1of1 Except this guy really did have it coming.  The laws prohibiting contact applied to him, but he chose to ignore them.  They were there not only for the local protection, but for his.

Had he not been killed, I would hope the authorities would have put him away for a long, long time.  Religion does not get a free pass.
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Male 46,097
punko   If I'da been there I'da shot his ass, too
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Male 2,345
Gerry1of1 Hey, c'mon, he brought them a football! 
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Male 726
He should have started off with somewhere easier, like North Korea.  On the serious side, I wonder how exactly he would have won them over whilst not knowing their language. He needed C3PO with him, that's how: he sure captivated the Ewoks with his fireside stories. And he makes a great arrow shield.
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Male 2,264
Yup, he knew what they intended, but he went a second time anyhow. I hope the only charges are against the fishermen who took him there illegally. They shouldn't go after the tribe for this, it was self-defence for them!
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Male 9,626
gohikineko Pretty sure the tribe has a free pass for this sort of thing. A bit like Colchester where if a Welshman is found in town after sunset you are allowed to shoot him with a long-bow.
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Male 615
They have probably seen Stephen Fry's debate on the Catholic church.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SJ6AV31MxA
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Male 7,520
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Male 3,052
daegog Nice!
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Male 46,097
daegog   I find that gif very satisfying 
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Male 10,075
daegog OMG... a human pincushion.
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Male 4,559
squrlz4ever His nickname is the Porcupine.
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Male 2,015
DuckBoy87 "Target"
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Male 4,069
Got what he deserved.
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Male 5,891
Sorry, no sympathy from me.  Faith is fine, but don't go pushing it upon others.  Results may vary...
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7,050
kalron I have never agreed with you more
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Male 2,568
And on top of all this, I read that they're going to try and retrieve the moron's body.
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Male 309
Did he bother to stop and think about the viruses he was probably going to expose them to that they had no resistance to?  Or did he just want to deliver them to Heaven faster?

Does his stupidity qualify as de facto suicide, so now he has to burn in hell forever, along with Hitler, Ghandi, and those that chose to jump from the WTC on 9/11 rather than burn to death?
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Male 9,626
stevopusser Nah. Martyr. Even stupid martyrs get a VIP pass and access to the champagne bar in heaven. 

In christian theology if every one of them died but just one converted first it would have been a good result. 
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Male 2,568
stevopusser If he had the ability for rational thought, he wouldn't be trying to spread the "word" of an ancient fairy tale. 
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Female 6,818
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Male 9,692
melcervini LOL so wrong.
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Male 2,015
normalfreak2 yeah, the arrows should be in his chest.
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Male 2,345
punko "yeah, the arrows should be in his chest."
He turned the other cheek.
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