Pope Decries That The "Wealthy Few" Feast On What Belongs To All

Submitted by: daegog 2 months ago in News & Politics

Really? Just how much gold is sitting around in the Vatican these days?

An excerpt from ABC News: Championing the cause of the poor, Pope Francis on Sunday lamented that "the wealthy few" enjoy what, "in justice, belongs to all" and said Christians cannot remain indifferent to the growing cries of the exploited and the indigent, including migrants.

Francis invited about 6,000 poor people as well as some of the volunteers who help them to the splendor of St. Peter's Basilica where he celebrated Mass on a day the Catholic Church dedicates to the needy. Later, he sat down with 1,500 of the indigent for a lunch of lasagna, chicken, mashed potatoes and tiramisu in a Vatican auditorium.

In his homily, Francis said "we Christians cannot stand with arms folded in indifference or with arms outstretched in helplessness" about those in need. He cited the "stifled cry" of the unborn, of starving children, "of young people more used to the explosion of bombs than happy shouts at the playground."

He also drew attention to the plight of abandoned elderly, the friendless and "the cry of all those forced to flee their homes and native land for an uncertain future. It is the cry of entire peoples, deprived even of the great natural resources at their disposal."

Francis said the poor were weeping "while the wealthy few feast on what, in justice, belongs to all. Injustice is the perverse root of poverty."

"The cry of the poor daily becomes stronger but every day heard less," he said. That cry is "drowned out by the din on the rich few, who grow ever fewer and more rich," the pontiff said.
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Male 1,213
As much distaste as I have for religion, I can't deny the stunning beauty of the Vatican and in particular St Peter's Basilica as pictured here. The spiral columns pictured are very impressive. Fascinating place, but the opulence does fly in the face of what the Pope is saying here.
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Male 9,626
mrteatime If you have all the money you get to buy the pretty things.

  • But yeah, knowing that Durham Cathederal was built by dragging taxes from hungry locals to create a demonstration of power does not make it less heart-stopping. But it would have been as beautiful if dedicated to any faith or none.
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Male 2,377
When the vatican gives up its gold and starts to fight hunger worldwide I will believe they do good. Until then, the church is a pedophile playground that missed the bible's point. It, like all religion, is a con.
Religion is for idiots.
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Male 2,262
I'm pretty sure Jesus said nothing remotely like this... so this pope is rapidly becoming the worse one in centuries...

You cannot stop people from being poor: there always will be poor people. Mohammad couldn't. Vishnu couldn't, Buddha couldn't and not even Santa Claus could! It's impossible and demanding it is just stupid.

Injustice is one 'root' of poverty but there are plenty more, including a vile and corrupt Catholic Church & their ongoing molestation of innocent children.
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Male 2,345
gohikineko "there always will be poor people"
That seems likely.
According to both Matthew and John, when Jesus said, "the poor you will always have with you," he was justifying spending money on him. That does sound like the Church today.
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Male 965
gohikineko I'm pretty sure he did, in each gospel.

Also it's pretty convenient if you declare that you can't do anything about a bad thing, then add some slander on those who try.
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Male 2,262
7eggert I was saying that the greatest humans/Gods who ever walked the Earth couldn't "solve" the poverty problem either. It isn't a slam on them, it's no shame to not be able to do the impossible.
Demanding others solve impossible tasks (which they themselves cannot solve) is just stupid. Unrealistic at the very least.
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Male 965
gohikineko It's one thing to not be able to solve world poverty all by yourself. It's another thing to be part of the problem, or to say being part of the problem is OK because no single man can solve poverty.
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Male 2,345
7eggert "then add some slander"
I assume you meant libel, since you are responding to a written statement.
What did gohikineko write that is libelous?
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Male 9,626
gohikineko  so this pope is rapidly becoming the worse one in centuries..

He'd have to work bloody hard for that.

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Male 2,345
LordJim "He'd have to work bloody hard for that."
Ah, the Christian work ethic.
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Male 2,262
semichisam01 I thought that was "Protestant" work ethic? :/ ie: not Catholics.
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Male 2,345
gohikineko "I thought that was "Protestant" work ethic? :/ ie: not Catholics."
My mistake. 
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Male 2,262
semichisam01 No worries, Christians are supposed to be hard workers too, it's suggested someplace in the NT. Various groups have different opinions on how important it is, or how much is required. :/
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Male 9,626
gohikineko  You cannot stop people from being poor: 

Tricky one. Some people will always be poorer than others but in a developed nation actual, harmful poverty can be dealt with. If you have shoes on your feet, clothes on your back, food in your belly and a safe place to sleep that's the basics covered. Medical care when you need it, a decent education and a decent water supply.. If a country can't provide that for the most vulnerable it has no right to call itself developed.

World-wide? That's another matter. Those of us in the more fortunate places such as North America, Western Europe, etc. benefit from serious poverty elsewhere, keeps prices down on imports. Would we end it if we could? If it meant a 35% cut in spending power? 
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Male 2,262
LordJim I frequently point out that "the poor" in Canada have colour TV, answering machines for their telephones, sneakers that cost as much as 7 days worth of food and so on.
Never mind roof over their heads, clean (hot and cold!) water, appliances, furniture, heaters and air conditioning, ample food and clothing.
Some few don't have that, it's true, but mostly by their own choice (lifestyle choices) unlike most of the poor in many other nations.
Europe and North America cannot stop poverty either: the numbers just don't work. In fact we've already done more than any group in history to try though! Providing jobs, charity, trying to keep their governments accountable... a Herculean task to be sure :/ just to lessen the suffering.
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Male 9,626
gohikineko

 "the poor" in Canada have colour TV,  

I think TV is not unreasonable in a developed country and I'm pretty sure colour is the only kind getting made. When did you last see a monochrome telly?

 answering machines for their telephones

Again, a bit archaic but if you are looking for work you need a phone.

 sneakers that cost as much as 7 days worth of food

I spend about 40 quid a week on food. Last footwear I bought was a pair of army surplus desert boots at 40 quid. I'm very happy with them. Seems reasonable to me, I expect to get ten years out of them, maybe more.


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Male 2,345
gohikineko I have found it extremely difficult to get hard numbers about poverty levels in Canada, compared to U.S.. On one hand, Canada has more homeless people (as a % of population), but Canada has more temporary housing for them. 
I have not been able to learn enough of the facts to agree or disagree with what you say.
Have you posted, or could you post some sources?
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Male 6,337
gohikineko i'm pretty sure jesus told you nothing
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Male 2,262
rumham Did I say "He personally told me..." No? Then lay off and stfu, troll.

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Male 9,626
rumham Jesus don't snitch. Ain't telling you nothing, copper.
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Male 2,850
Got noting against the rich but the pope calling the kettle black is a bit much.  Remember Pope....God don't need your money.  He already owns it all.  He doesn't need your folk's money either and if he really wanted it there would be  smear on the deck where you just stood.  You were however created in God's image...and God's a generous giver...so God wants you to be the same way.  Generosity is good for the spirit and the soul.  The most fun you'll ever have with money is giving it away.
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Male 2,345
dromed "Generosity is good for the spirit and the soul."
I'm not at all religious, but the first response that crossed my mind was, "amen".
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Male 5,341
semichisam01 It really is a great line. Not sure if it's dromed's own or a quote from someone else but it rings true.
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Male 2,345
trimble "...it rings true."
Many studies (here's one) have shown that people are made happier by spending money on others than by spending it on themselves. 
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Male 4,069
How many wars were at the behest of a pope and the vatican?
How many cultures and civilizations were plundered and decimated in a pope's thirst for wealth and power?
Mr. pope: Put your money where your mouth is, you pedophile protecting piece of shit.
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Female 6,818
the "whore of babylon" speaks, eh?
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Male 2,262
melcervini Maybe he's the "false pope" from Revelations? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#Figures_in_Revelation

Ok, "False Prophet" not pope, but both seem to fit.
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Male 13,505
He's right.  But apparently people are too full of hate to really hear his message.  Focusing their hate on the Church, rather than the financial and business people who have raped them.  

A western media delusion tale.  Or is it Stockholm syndrome?
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Male 6,337
monkwarrior how are those new western media videogames playing for you
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Male 13,505
rumham I was just playing Pillars of the Earth, where you play as a monk in the 1100's.
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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "But apparently people are too full of hate..."
It's possible that I am not understanding correctly what you write, but I see in you a tendency to see hatred and evil intent in comments that you might simply disagree with.
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Male 13,505
semichisam01 yeah you're not understanding what i'm writing, for sure then.
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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "yeah you're not understanding what i'm writing, for sure then."
Good. That narrows it down. Please explain to me why you accuse everyone you disagree with of being driven by 'hate'.
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Male 13,505
semichisam01 First explain why you hold to a fallacy out of hate. Go!
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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "First explain why you hold to a fallacy out of hate. Go!"
You cannot seriously expect anyone to answer a question that presumes the answer. This is commonly called 'begging the question'. No answer is possible.

But you state as it were fact that I am motivated by hate. You present no evidence for the claim, and no such evidence exists.

No discussion is possible under those terms. I leave you holding the field, such as it is, with the hope that you can let go of hate.

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Male 13,505
semichisam01 There's your answer then:

 You cannot seriously expect anyone to answer a question that presumes the answer. 

Glad we sorted it out!
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Male 6,337
semichisam01 i wish 5cats and 5warriors could make children
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Male 2,345
rumham "i wish 5cats and 5warriors could make children"

No, you don't!
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Male 6,337
semichisam01 why not. i cast lv. 5 blossom catwarrior
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Male 2,015
monkwarrior The message is fine.  It's been around a rather long time.  The indifference today isn't much unchanged from 3, 4, or even 8 millennia ago. 

The scorn on the Church is not the same as scorn of the faith.  The Church as an organization is not without fault - after all, it is a construct of Man.

You will also find that the "financial and business people" are also some of the greatest donors to Churches.  Hell, the Church even used to sell indulgences - in effect buying forgiveness for sins. 

If the Church stood firmly on the side of the downtrodden, the poor, and the forgotten and against those "financial and business people" and refused to accept their money, maybe we'd have more confidence in it.

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Male 13,505
punko I'm talking about the financial and business people who are 'raping' others (or their nations).
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Male 2,015
monkwarrior Your second sentence was "focusing their hate on the Church, rather than the financial and business people who have raped them".

I pointed out that we do despise those that do evil things.  We also despise those that say that they despise these people, but who still benefit from them.

I find hypocrisy from those that claim to be the keepers of morality to be utterly offensive.
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Male 13,505
punko Thanks for proving my point about focusing your hate.  It's irrational as i've already hit on.
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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "...focusing your hate..."

There it is again!
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Male 13,505
semichisam01 there you whined again!
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Male 2,015
monkwarrior My disillusionment with organized religion is irrational?

Faith is wonderful. organized religion ruins it.

You would rather me focus my 'hate' on those that take advantage of others.   While I can dislike and speak out against the robber barons and the controllers, these thieves do not pretend that they are doing it for any other reason than their shareholders.  They are honest thieves; at least they are honest in that they admit they are just in it for the money and the control.

I hold a special place for those agencies who are the dishonest thieves.  those that pretend to be the defenders, but rather they exist only to control and use the faith mistakenly placed in them.  That fuel anger and resentment against other faiths and religions.  Those that seek to maintain control of thought by outlawing that which is natural and insisting on behaviour that is harmful, unhealthy, and counter productive.

They sit on television begging for money for the release of your sins.  they prey on the weak willed, the desperate, the lonely, the needy.  They have institutionalized misogyny out of fear of the loss of control over reproduction.  They use guilt as a hammer.  they have tortured and killed.  they have stolen, defrauded, lied, and misled.  They have protected their own, proclaiming that the laws of Man do not apply to their agents.  they have bought silence, hidden truths, and denied wrongdoings for the good of the Church, while preaching they they are the way to the Light.

And yet they stand, believing they are sole holders of the sacred texts.  All others are wrong - this is the only path forward.  They drip hypocrisy like the dead branches of a twisted tree rotting in November drizzle.

You speak of 'western media delusion'?  Religion is a man-made organizational construction designed to control Faith; to demand obedience to laws not given to Men, but imagined by Men for the enslavement of other Men.

I hope you have peace.  I commend you to your faith and that you find everything you seek.  I wish for you only good and pray that whatever religious trapping surround your faith do not get between you and the Light.

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Male 13,505
punko yes change your argument, and throw a fallacy in to ignore that the Church teaches that wonderful faith.
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Male 2,015
monkwarrior I have not changed my arguement.  I dislike any organization that seeks to concentrate power in the few and control the many. 

I despise those organizations that do this very thing while preaching that they are not the problem, but the solution.  They are not.  They are worse than the robbers who come in the night.  They are the robbers that come in the day, promising to protect the flock, but fleecing it with a warm smile.
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Male 10,232
punko Of course you did not change your argument.

But you destroyed monks argument, this he just has to claim you did.  That’s probably his third most used diversion.
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Male 13,505
punko Yet most every priest, reverend, or clergy person i've interacted with is quite selfless.  Your claims are like you don't know what you're talking about.
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Male 6,337
monkwarrior tuna melt
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Male 5,891
monkwarrior Mmmmm...now I want a Tuna Melt!
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Male 13,505
rumham why did you clog?
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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "why did you clog?"

Clogging is fun.
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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "Yet most every priest, reverend, or clergy person i've interacted with is quite selfless."
It appears that you have led a relatively sheltered life. The reason that the corrupt "man of god" is such a staple of theater and literature is that the experience of the rest of humanity is not at all what you say yours is.
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Male 13,505
semichisam01 No the reality is the 'bad' people are a relatively small percentage of them all.  Far less than the bad people in say, the entertainment industry, or your school system, or your businesses, or banks, or even your media.

Problem is you don't want to see the truth, but believe a lie out of hate.
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Male 2,015
monkwarrior I completely agree that the bad people in any organization are in the minority.  HOWEVER, an organization that prides itself on it morality that covers up corruption, lies to investigators, transfers wrong doers into unsuspecting communities to hide their crimes, and basically doing everything it can to keep its reputation clean at the expense of its own flock is simply despicable.
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Male 13,505
punko So since you agree why are you focusing on petty issues, rather than the big guys in business and finance.  That's right, irrational hate.
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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "That's right, irrational hate"
There it is again! Anyone who disagrees with you is motivated by hate. 
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Male 13,505
semichisam01 That's right, express your hate.
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Female 6,818
monkwarrior Sorry, rampant child molestation and rape isn't a "petty issue"  jfc
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Male 13,505
melcervini Yep so start focusing on Hollywood.
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Female 6,818
monkwarrior What does Hollywood have to do with a self-proclaimed "Man of god" throating an 8 year old boy?  Then have other self-proclaimed "Men of god" keep their brother's dirty little secrets with cover-ups and transfers to other churches instead of publicly condemning them before God up on their golden altars?
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Male 13,505
melcervini Because you can't seem to understand that 'pedos of hollowood' are raping children in great numbers, while keeping it secret, and trying to make pedophilia normal so they can avoid charges.
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Female 6,818
monkwarrior Since you want to drag hollywood into a post about the pope, I'll indulge you. 

Everyone understands all too well what some of the elitist hollywood scum are doing and that they dont hide the fact that they're scum. (their movies, their myriad of affairs, crimes, drugs, and adulterous behavior on display for the world to see and accept as their 'norm'.)

However, I also understand that Hollyweirds aren't claiming to be representatives of God either.  Archbishops, bishops, priests, etc are.  Tasked to lead their flock to Christ and be moral, upright and god-like in character.  The last time I checked, God doesn't bugger little kids, conspire to keep it hidden so they can avoid charges, and cost the catholic church over 3 BILLION dollars in hush 'settlement' money. 

"The wealthy few feast on what belongs to all" indeed.

Over 300 catholic priests sexually abused 1000's of Children

1 in 14 catholic priests in Australia were accused of sexual abuse in 4500 incidents.

Or have a browse through a database of names/case numbers and each's source for validity.


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Male 13,505
melcervini So time to focus on hollywood with it's double digit percentage of pedophiles, instead of the .point percentage of the Church.  Or is your hate blinding you?
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Male 2,015
monkwarrior WTF ??  The trustworthiness of the church is a petty issue? I'm sorry, but if you tell everyone that you hold the keys to the gates of heaven and that you must trust us to help you earn entrance; your morality is the most important thing.  Standing on the wrong side of many societal issues, preaching outdated, outmoded, or just plain false information just to control the behavior of people who placed trust in the religious leaders.

If the leadership is corrupt, then the message they speak of looses its value.  Preaching the high line, while trading choir boys between clergymen, is despicable.  Having the administration of the religion defend, cover up, pretend to ignore, deny, lie, all in the name of preserving an institution because it has done some charity work does not work anymore.

A man who stands before me with a gun demanding money can be disliked.  A man who stands before me offering a safe place for the night while planning to steal from me while I sleep is to be despised.
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Male 13,505
punko Sorry, you're making this a petty issue, apparently too blinded by hate to see the immense positive works the church does, and too affected by it to raise vocally about the industries that are actually raping you and your family right now.

Hate blinds.
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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "Hate blinds."

There it is again! everyone who disagrees with you is accused of being motivated by hate.
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Male 13,505
semichisam01 That's right, express your hate.
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Male 2,015
monkwarrior No.  Absolutely No.  The most important thing we have are our minds.  Organized religion seeks to control minds - to direct those minds to blindly follow their particular dogma.  Organized religion destroys faith by removing our ability to decide for ourselves what actions to take and when to take them.

On top of that, the actions of those religious organizations to deflect blame, to hide their own members failures, to refuse acknowledge their own shortcomings, and to deny their hypocrisy makes them far worse than any industry polluting the planet - far worse than any money lender making profits off the poor.

The lust for money pales in comparison for the lust for control over others.  And it cannot be denied that organized religions do seek to ensure their followers follow their rules of conduct, do seek to control the behaviour of their followers, and seek to control the thinking of their followers.  "for their own good" 

Anyone who tries to tell me that a certain set of rules leads to the Light, and then disregards those same rules for their own behaviour is worse than a common thief.

That is the cold, stark, reality of organized religion.  Do as we say, not as we do. We hold the keys and you must do as we say to gain entry.

This callous organizational thinking undoes any and all goodwill generated by charitable work, as it taints it all.
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Male 13,505
punko Organized religion doesn't seek to control minds at all, it seeks to teach people about God's great love.

There is an organization that seeks to control minds though, and it's called the entertainment and media industry, which is raping people, using people, turning people against people.  

And here you are willing to give them a pass, the largest problem you spoke of, while doing just as they tell you to do "don't focus on us, focus on what we hate: religion".


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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "focus on what we hate"

Again and again! All you can think of is hate. What part of The Word of God did that come from?

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Male 13,505
semichisam01 That's right, express your hate.
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Male 2,015
monkwarrior <sigh> you are not paying attention, because you don't wish to.  You can lead a horse you water, but can't make him drink.

I do not hate religion; I despise hypocrisy specifically that which organized religions (especially fundamentalist ones, like evangelical Christianity, the Taliban, Wahhabi Islam, and Hesedic Judeaism) are rife with.  Folks equate things that are not equivalent. Like confusing the State of Israel with Judaism.

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Male 2,345
monkwarrior "Problem is you don't want to see the truth, but believe a lie out of hate."

There it is again. You see 'hate' in everything you disagree with. Why?
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Male 13,505
semichisam01 Your story, finish the tale.
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Overload! Too much irony!
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daegog  

How much gold does the vatican have?  Here it is:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nasdaq.com/article/how-much-money-does-the-vatican-have-cm500605/amp


And this was verified in 2014-15. 
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Male 46,097
Said the man with gold candlesticks
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Female 6,818
Gerry1of1 And living behind a guarded wall.
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Male 46,097
melcervini   That's to keep the choir boys parents from kicking his ass
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Male 9,626
Gerry1of1 Ah, no. He's fine. One of the cuddly popes who are all smiles and gestures. The faithful like them. Regardless of what they actually do. The scary Pope - Joey Ratz - is still lurking somewhere. They have the option, they always have. 
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Male 2,345
LordJim "The scary Pope - Joey Ratz - is still lurking somewhere."

The Hitler Youth.
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Male 9,626
Lasagne. Tiramasu. Nice. 
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LordJim let the poor eat tiramisu
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