Open Forum Friday, Zombie Apocalypse Edition: November 2, 2018

Submitted by: squrlz4ever 2 weeks ago in Misc
During last week's OFF, someone asked, "What would you do to survive the Zombie Apocalypse?" It was a great question, and that's the theme of this week's OFF.

I need details, IABers, the more details the better: What location would you go to? What weapons would you choose and why? (Please provide makes and models and ammunition, if applicable.) What kind of provisions are we talking about? Food? Water? Medical supplies?

Also, if anyone wants to wax philosophical and explain why the Zombie Apocalypse has become such a popular topic, have at it. I once heard a theory that when a society is most uneasy about mob forces (read: Democrats), zombies dominate pop culture; but when authoritarianism is most feared (read: Republicans), vampires tend to be the monster of choice.

So let's hear it. Give me your best zombie-related thoughts.

To set the mood, here's one of the more horrific scenes from the movie World War Z (2013).

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Irish daughter had not been home for over 5 years. Upon her return her Father cursed her heavily.

'Where have ye been all this time, child? Why did ye not write to us, not even a line? Why didn't ye call? Can ye not understand what ye put yer old Mother through?'

The girl, crying, replied, Dad... I became a prostitute.'

'Ye what!? Get out a here, ye shameless harlot! Sinner! You're a disgrace to this Catholic family.'

'OK, Dad... as ye wish. I only came back to give mum this luxurious fur coat, title deed to a ten bedroom mansion, plus a 5 million savings certificate. For me little brother, this gold Rolex. And for ye Daddy, the sparkling new Mercedes limited edition convertible that's parked outside plus a membership to the country club ... (takes a breath) ... and an invitation for ye all to spend New Year's Eve on board my new yacht in the Riviera.'

'What was it ye said ye had become?' says Dad.

Girl, crying again, 'A prostitute, Daddy!.'

'Oh! My Goodness! Ye scared me half to death, girl! I thought ye said a Protestant! Come here and give yer old Dad a hug !!!
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Male 13,185
So it's official: I-A-B has stopped working with firefox.

I tried this on a brand new install of windows 10 with firefox.
I tried this on a new install of Linux (with firefox).
I tried it on an old install of Linux (with firefox).

It doesn't work it looks like this, and the text box isn't selectable.

When I go to edit a comment it looks like this (no text is shown, box isn't selectable).

When I go to reply to a comment it looks like this (box isn't selectable)

Side note, i'm using Edge to post this, and they are such liars "Edge is Faster, better!", what a joke, this is slow.  Very slow.  It's so slow in fact that I'm typing this right now and it's buffered all the way back to "i'm typing this right now"..  yeah that's how far it's behind my typing.  MS and this stupid UWP which is absolute trash, They need to get out of the browser market.

Google chrome is terrible too.  SO I probably won't be posting much since it's such a pain to use this site in anything but Firefox.  Come on edge, catch up to my writing I want to submit.  "oh I'm slow edge trying to catch up".. yeah finally.
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Male 18,342
monkwarrior wonderful news. 
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monkwarrior Thanks for the report. I'm collecting the information we're getting and sending it off to Fancy and Sunny.

If you're trying to avoid Chrome, Daegog recently mentioned the Brave browser, which I'd never heard of. I looked into it and gave it a try and found that it works very well and currently has no issues with the IAB website.
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squrlz4ever yeah i am using it now temporarily 
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monkwarrior Try Brave, its a nice browser.
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daegog Thanks. Just installed it and it's working fine. 
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Male 13,185
daegog that's what i'm using now.  It seems all right, but if it pays me i'll start using it.  For now it's the best alternative to access I-A-B.. 
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melcervini what is the story behind this?

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Did ya hear the one about the guy that came to the Halloween party in just a pair of jeans? When asked what his costume was he replied, " I just came in my pants."

Thank you, Thank you. I'll be here all week. Remember to tip your server!
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Millennial Zombie


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A young family moved into a house next to a vacant lot. One day, a construction crew turned up to start building a house on the empty lot.

The young family’s 5-year-old daughter naturally took an interest in all the activity going on next door and spent much of each day observing the workers. Eventually the construction crew, all of them “gems-in-the-rough” more or less, had adopted her as a kind of project mascot.

They chatted with her, let her sit with them while they had coffee and lunch breaks, and gave her little jobs to do here and there to make her feel important. At the end of the first week, they even presented her with a pay envelope containing ten dollars.

The little girl took this home to her mother who suggested that she take her ten dollars “pay” she’d received to the bank the next day to start a savings account. When the girl and her mom got to the bank, the teller was equally impressed and asked the little girl how she had come by her very own pay check at such a young age.

The little girl proudly replied: “I worked last week with a real construction crew building the new house next door to us.”

“Oh my goodness gracious,” said the teller, “and will you be working on the house again this week, too?”

The little girl replied, “I will if those lazy assholes from Lowe’s ever deliver the goddamn drywall.”
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daegog LOL!
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rumham What the hell happened with the Penguins??? 0 - 5

I actually went to the game. I come home disappoint
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DuckBoy87 i only caught parts of the 2nd period we looked lazy
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Speaking of zombies and apocalypses, most states seem to be trying to deal with strenuous efforts to keep as many people as possible from voting. 
In Oregon: if my signature on my ballot does not seem to match my signature on file, the county election board holds it until they can contact me. Because Congress has underfunded the USPS, state election officials are working overtime in Postal Service centers to take control of ballots that might be delivered late, marking them received and sending them by courier to their county election officials. The philosophy here is that everyone who can vote should vote, and we will see to it that their vote is counted.
How's your state doing?
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semichisam01 This is an ad placed by the North Dakota Democratic Party League DPL. 

And is utter bullshit.

"Senator Heidi Heitkamp, who is locked in a tight race for reelection with Republican representative Kevin Cramer, gave the North Dakota Democratic-NPL $3 million from her campaign’s war chest, which now appears to have at least partially financed a voter-suppression campaign."
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melcervini The persons with no listed address have all manner of other ways to confirm their ID. It was specifically and extensively covered by the law, something the MSM utterly ignores of course.

This law's been coming for nearly 3 years and the people opposing it did NOTHING to help those they claim will be 'disenfranchised' by it. They just paid the lawyers heaps and piles of cash... and lost.
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daegog Saw that the other day, very funny eh?
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Zombie game: https://www.deadfrontier.com/

iirc? it's pretty simple stuff.
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gohikineko i played that ages ago for meny yaers. i wonder if i can still log in 
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Male 1,686
Hahaha! This is funny: cute and short.
https://imgur.com/gallery/KdOBnOt
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Male 1,975
I see numerous references to boats, usually sort of whimsical. Anyone who wants to take a boat into serious consideration should read 'The Nautical Prepper', by William Simpson.
Captain Bill is retired from the Merchant Marine, and he and his wife have cruised the Pacific alone in a 90 foot steel boat. His book won't answer all your questions, but it will certainly help you decide whether you want to pursue the idea. 
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semichisam01 I hadhad hadha aa friebdfriendfried friend wh rretire aand   moved moved h s famikyfamily famikyfamil oont aa trawler. He   hadhad hadha ppreviousl llive oon  a  Chines jjun iin  vitoria  harbour, sosohesosoheknew sosohesosohekne wwha hhe  was was getti g inn  to
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Draculya I sure hope Sunny cleans up this mess soon.
Anyway, it's surprising how your message gets through at all. A trawler sounds like a good choice based on available living/storage space.
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semichisam01 I grew up racing 18ft sailboats on a small lake in ohio.  I know enough to not even try to go out on the ocean.  That's a whole other level.  A pretty deadly one, unless you have the right boat and a skilled crew.
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kelly_hanna "A pretty deadly one, unless you have the right boat and a skilled crew."
Anyone who isn't frightened by an ocean isn't paying attention.
Navies lose ships. 
My son claims, "They're designed to stay upright. If they turn over, that's on you." I won't argue with him. He once spent a couple of hours in a storm, on a safety line and shipping green, throwing unnecessary stuff overboard (and a lot of necessary stuff, eventually).
Understand that if you plan to live on a boat after this civilization goes the way they always have gone, you will be a pirate. There's no nice way to say that, because nice guys won't survive. So, size matters, but speed, armament and maintainable electronics matter more.
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Have I mentioned some REALLY great web-comics lately?

Bittersweet Candy Bowl: https://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c1/p1.html
This is just... massive! Read and enjoy!

Modest Medusa: http://modestmedusa.com/comic/christmas-eve-3/
Looks so cute... then stuff happens and it's more than that. Chainsaw-unicorns and really good storylines make this stand out!

Ava's Demon: http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#0001
One image per page? Seems so simple and innocent... but there's a hell of a lot of plot here, and the writer cleaned up the 'superfluous' swearing and added a lot of context to make this a really great reading experience. 
Trust me: when (eventually) the shit hits the fan? And all hell (literally!!) breaks loose? WOW! Does it ever! It is all worth while! And then comes the fallout... so glorious! Still developing and intensely interesting.
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Ebola-chan isn't going away! She's active in Congo right this minute!

https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/drc/2018-may.html
Still ongoing 5 months later :D
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Male 13,185
is i-a-b not working right for anyone else in firefox?
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monkwarrior  I have not used IE or Fire Fox in years because I had problrms with IAB I use Chrome  
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monkwarrior It stopped working properly for me a while ago, I tend to use that Brave Browser for IAB now.. Its a pretty nice program.
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monkwarrior   Thank you. It started glitching on me just after a windows update. I suspect it's the cause.
I cannot comment or reply at IAB on firefox. But I can up-vote stuff. In IE I can comment but cannot upvote.
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monkwarrior I am having to use edge, blargh. It is also doing the same thing on Safari on the Ipad. Your other post with the screen caps was exactly my issue. I tried disabling my ad blockers and it did not fix it.
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Male 9,185
monkwarrior. Yes. Have to use my phone to. comment
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monkwarrior Works for me on IE... so I think you have issues on your side :/
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Male 7,409
I think I posted the CDC' s  site on Zombie prepairdness a few years ago 
I will repost if anyone is interested
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Female 6,608
thezigrat sure! please :D
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melcervini  I could not find the cdc zombie illastrated  guide but there is lots of information at
Www.CDC.Gov/zombies 
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Short horror story
I thought the captain of our fishing boat was very friendly as he kept calling me "chum" untill he picked up that cleaver

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:::dead:::
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melcervini labia? I hardly even know'ya!
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I belong to a couple of survival/prepper groups.  We meet regularly to talk about 1st response, where to meet if something goes down, establishing coms either by walkie-talkies or HAM radio.  Learn how to do different crafts:  how to can, growing food in containers, purify water, tan hides, first aid from scratches to bleedouts, weapons training, etc.  And we have 'zombie weeknds' for fun although the prepatory stuff is for real.  We get all zombied up, have a bonfire and a few brews.

My home is relatively secure, but I don't have a storm shelter, so my family will go to a pre-designated safe area that depends on what the crisis is.  Fire/flood/storm/other natural disaster, or enemy attack.   There are several members in my groups that have the proper types of sanctuary needed for each eventuality.  The worse the situation, the deeper we go. 

If its an actual ZA and if I'm separated from the others and have to go it alone, I have a bug-out bag all ready with enough bare essentials to get me through a week provided I can immediately find shelter and water source.  There's enough game around here even if I stay put, but not for the long run.

My bug out bag:  Water purification tabs, lifestraw, canteen with metal canteen cup, 3 liters of bottled water, 10 protein bars, 4 MRE's, a P-38, scrubbies, portable stove, 6 cans of sterno, 2 changes of clothes (xtra socks), poncho, hat, work gloves, tarp, 100ft of paracord/carabineers, SOL emergency blanket, sewing kit, mirror, first aid kit, crazy glue, insect repellent, duct tape, fishing line and hooks, leatherman, unlubed condoms, 6 small/6 large ziplock bags, couple of large trash bags, couple of hundred dollars cash/collection of silver money, notepad/pencil, whistle, bag of steel wool, vaseline, tampons, compass, map, candles, alcohol, batteries, deck of cards, flashlight, k-bar, machete, E-Tool, zippo/fluid/extra flints and wicks, .357 revolver/.45 semi-auto, gun oil, cleaning kit, 500 rounds of ammo.

*Edit/afterthought*  If its an undead zombie apocalypse, I'm moving north.  Frozen meat can't bite.
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holygod HA!  I'm right in the middle of a werewolf story line on the original DARK SHADOWS tv show
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melcervini   Yep. The Quentin/ghost story goes along with the Chris/Werewolf story line. 

Why does everyone remember Barnabas as a vampire? He got cured of that early in the show and through most of it is just a guy with bad hair.

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holygod made me giggle
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Male 906
holygod You should ask weather the other person really wants your kids as a gift.
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Male 13,169
7eggert I'm not sure you got the joke...
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Male 906
holygod I intentionally "didn't" so I could make this one.
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Artist rendition of what the world will look like in 250 million years after the continents drift back together
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Male 18,342
daegog itit iti wwo 't bebe beb sso  Green. 
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Male 45,280
daegog   Except Europe and North America are moving apart 2.5 centimetres a year. So North America should be on the other side, pressed against Asia
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Gerry1of1 ~squirrel wink~ No complaints.
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daegog that's stupid to believe everything Remains the Same elevation.
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dm2754 "that's stupid to believe everything Remains the Same elevation."
'Stupid' is a strong word. It was observant of Gerry1of1 to notice the problem with North America. It would be unobservant not to notice all the changes in elevation: e.g. the Andes and Himalayas seem to have eroded considerably and there are new high mountain ranges along all the impact lines.
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dm2754 There are new elevations, but the sea level is assumed to remain the same. (Notice the Himalaya being less high than the new mountain chains).
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There are so many ways this could go.  The chance of success is extremely slim (according to the movies and shows).  It all really depends on where/what I am doing if it would happen.

But one of the first things I would do is get as much information as I could.  That would mean locking myself away and surfing the net for as long as its up to gather information (i have enough food stored for several weeks), but i'd fill the bathtub with water in case.  I would take the stance that nothing I saw on tv shows or movies will help me.  What if these are super intelligent zombies like in I am legend?  what if they're high speed super powered like in 28 days later or sprinters like in Dawn of the dead? How will can you kill them? Can they grow from their cut off body parts (hydra)?  What if a blood spatter gets on me, my skin, my mouth, my eye? What is the incubation period? Is there a way to stop it by cutting out/off limbs? Why/How did this happen?  Where is patient 0? How quickly is it growing? What are others doing?  Anyway i'd keep looking up tons of questions to gather as much information as I could.

If it turned out that was a bad choice and it was super intelligent zombies, that could prey on us, well yeah Its going to probably mean I'm out in the first act unless we can band up and fight them. I have a few items I could use as melee or heavy blunt weapons, still if they were quick in packs like the aliens from aliens, or zombies in World War Z, a lot of people wouldn't stand a chance either.

If it turned out that they were growing fast but were slow like The Walking Dead, it would be easier to handle.  Especially if you could trick them to thinking you're a zombie by wearing their guts.  I'd find a way to get a vehicle fight my way out and get to a lake or to the sea side.  find an island to camp on and set up a place there.

If it turned out to be some random contagion that just randomly infected people and turned them into a zombie in some various form, well we'd only have hope to find a cure and prayer we do.

Anyway, if it came down to it, long term - set up some kind of fort, with a natural defence, and large enough to house a small village with farming.  short term -  round up resources like food, and make intermediate plans for temporary shelter, or safe houses to share and gather up more knowledge to survive.  

But it would be pretty grim to live through it from now till then.

Side question:
is there a place where you can download something like: "Humankind Information Backup.torrent"? Inside it has everything:
an archive of key information on how to do everything.  Like:
living off the land
starting a fire,
hunting,
fishing,
building shelter
cleaning water
build a house
identify a plant
build a mine
electricity
nuclear energy
build a plane
extracting elements
healing all ailments
brain surgery
faith in God
building a spaceship.

Basically the most important information of humankind in one downloadable file.

If the internet shuts down we might need it.

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monkwarrior The Colins pocket SAS survival manual would be an excellent start. Compact and stuffed full of very useful information.  
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mrteatime The Foxfire series of books might be of value. They are by no means compact (it's a 14-volume set), though. They compile all the knowledge and culture of country living in Appalachia. It has chapters on things like how to slaughter a hog, how to grow a garden, how to build a log cabin, etc.
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squrlz4ever Don't forget the Boy Scouts Handbook and the Bluejacket's Manual.
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squrlz4ever That series does look interesting. One thing is for sure, written knowledge would be one of the most valuable long term survival tools. I see the millennial generation coming up and I cringe at the absolute lack of practical knowledge and skills. I think the loss of knowledge is a massive threat to the long term survival of our species.
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mrteatime I made sure both my boys could do basic home economics stuff:  Sew a button, repair a seam etc, how to cook/how to cook over an open fire that they started/how to read a map/how to shoot an azimuth with a compass. 
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melcervini I think more people need to follow that example. Basic survival, like swimming, driving and first aid are life skills and help promote self reliance and confidence. Lazy parents and apathy seem to be main barriers.
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mrteatime its too easy to just google things, not thinking that when the power is gone.. so is google lol
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monkwarrior Its one thing to have a file that contains survival information like starting a fire and building a shelter, you could probably buy that on amazon right now..

When you start to get into nuclear energy/building space ships and planes then you are talking about a different level of societal needs, because you cannot give someone blueprints on how to build a nuclear energy plant because of the infrastructure needed before you can even consider a nuclear energy plant.

I think information on stuff like steam engines and hydraulics are gonna be more practical and useful than worrying about space ships in a post apocalyptic society.
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daegog condensed.

So someone goes through books and chops out all the chaff like 
"I wrote this book because *4 pages later* I hope you enjoy"
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daegog I've often wondered what a civilization restarter guide would need to include. We won't get the complex stuff going for a while, but it couldn't hurt to cram a few cheat sheets worth of advanced formulae at the back of a book.
I think the goal should pretty be much what you're thinking; get us back to early industrialisation asap. I think a lot of the WHO's list of essential médecines are achievable at that level of technology if we have the preexisting knowledge.
Could we jam all the relevant things we need to know about power, sanitation, shelter, medecine, production, and whatever else I'm missing, into a moderately sized tome or collection?
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daegog Well, that and the fact that a downloadable torrent file for after the internet shuts down does sorta present a problem.
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HAPPY FRIDAY

From the Vaults of Daegog's Gluteal Reseach Division, subject 764a12

Juju Ferrari

https://www.instagram.com/juujuferrari/

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Male 45,280
daegog If you like plastic that much why not just buy a blow up doll? They talk less
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daegog Vroom vroom! Prolly not the girl you'd choose to bring home to meet Mom and Dad, though.
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squrlz4ever "Prolly not the girl you'd choose to bring home to meet Mom and Dad, though."
See, you never met my dad. Or my mom.
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semichisam01 Semi, while I've got you here, are you still seeing issues with the comment boxes?
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squrlz4ever Yes. They work with chrome, but not with any other browser. I'm looking forward to getting rid of chrome.
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semichisam01 Thank you. I'm collecting the info and will be sending an email off to Fancy shortly. This helps.
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As being on this site proves, I am a Zombie, so I'll not be attacked.-)
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Our president is threatening that our soldiers should fire on the migrants if they throw rocks. Awesome.

“They want to throw rocks at our military, our military fights back. I say, consider it a rifle.”
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holygod That piece of shit.. To put our people in a position where they would have to fire on that caravan.. fucking unreal.

Why not just call in airstrikes?  That way only a handful of pilots have to feel like the world humans in the world instead of entire battalions..
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daegog "Nuke the immigrants from orbit... it's the only way to be sure to win the midterms!"
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daegog Oh bullshit.
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daegog Oh, those clever politicians. Cheers!
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Shout out to everyone like me who will be working the night shift when daylight savings rolls out this weekend. May you get away with sneaking out an hour earlier, and the sunlight away from your sleepy eyes.
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panth753 With you in spirit, Panth.  :)
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squrlz4ever Thanks.
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Food, fuel, medicine and fuel. Those are the basics, I'd stock my van chock full and then head up into the highlands, perhaps near one of the larger lochs with a wee boat to use for fishing and as an emergency contingent. As for weapons, guns wouldn't really be a viable option, plus ammo is limited and service life could be varied. Crossbows are an ideal choice, even a fairly small bow is pretty powerful and the bolts could be reused of even manufactured without too much hassle.

Seeds would also be on my list, essential for self sufficiency. Some solar panels and a wind turbine would come in handy too. They would not only make life more comfortable but also allow for the use of power tools. A stockpile of diesel and even vegetable oil to run a vehicle would be great and far less risky than dealing with petrol. 

If things were really bad on land a boat would be a great option. Plenty of food and water. Easy to move and defend as well, you could raid the many coastal towns around the country. 
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mrteatime Bullets last for decades, so guns are entirely viable if you also stockpile enough bullets :-)
Bows have severe limitations, and those strings don't last forever. They are quiet though, and lethal at short range.
Seeds! That's one I've overlooked, spot on!
Alcohol distillery: fuel for the cars (it's apparently an easy modification) and for Saturday nights!

Inland lakes with connecting rivers. You can move about freely and avoid Zombie hordes, riffraff and such. The trouble with a boat is that it uses fuel and cannot take on that many other survivors. Sailboats are not so good on rivers :p and hold even fewer people.
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gohikineko Guns aren't viable here in the UK I should have said, I think it would involve a lot of risk and effort to get anything like a semi-automatic handgun or machine gun. I'm going for seclusion as my first line of defence. Although I would imagine some small caliber rifles and shotguns would be a bit easier to get at farms and shooting venues. I think I could fashion some pretty effective weaponry for the undead without too much problems though. 

I would tend to go for diesel and light oils based mainly on the safety aspect as they aren't highly flammable and won't explode etc. The risk of fire and explosion from petrol or alcohol would be an issue for me. The good thing is that many diesel engines require no modification to run on vegetable oil, they are simpler than petrol engines too.

I should have said ship rather than boat, where I am there are plenty of large supply vessels, I'd plan to stay anchored and use a covered life boat to raid and move about. I agree that a boat wouldn't be a long term plan but might be a good way to escape the worst of the panic and destruction of the first few weeks and months.
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mrteatime For sure, a bigger ship on the ocean would be much more viable than a lake-sized boat. My province has a shore on the (Arctic) ocean, but it's 800 KM away :p I could sail a boat there, but there's about 10 dams in the way... 

Diesel is easily the most stable of the fuels, but alcohol is the easiest to make after things fall apart. Scavenging will run out, but alcohol will last forever!

Shotguns, simple pistols and ordinary rifles? That will do nicely. The "military grade" weaponry is the stuff of fiction: not required for survival. A 12 Gauge, 38 special and a 303? You are good to go! 
Once you have the weapon? The only issue is ammunition. All three I mention have vast distribution, as well as a few other types: 14 gauge, 40 or 45 caliber and various hunting sizes. Also .223 or 7.62 which are Ar-15 and Ak-47 calibers: both very common.

Of course parts will wear out eventually, so you gotta keep them clean too!
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We'd head to the cottage to start. Loaded up with supplies there, we could move further up into northern Canada, if needed.

Ammunition may become scarce, but so will the people/zombies. My ninjato won't leave my side.
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Depends on how the outbreak infects. If one gets infected by being bit, then I'm probably going to see if I can't get medieval on their asses. Find / build something akin to full plate and swing a broadsword.
If they infect through the air, get out them guns and projectile weapons.

Meh, let's face it; I'd die in the the zombie apocalypse 
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I'm probably good where I am.  Mostly retired military combat vets here.  Dont know for certain, but I'm sure some have stockpiled firearms.  Now some are quite old, going back to WW2, but I'd bet they can still pull a trigger, even if they have to get out of their wheelchair to do it.

I think you'd have to go back in history even further and look at building old roman stockade forts.  A series of those, manned by folks who have seen combat and likely wont lose their shit, would be helpful.  Otherwise, break out the old 'anarchists cookbook', and set yourself up with some ieds for road approaches.  Head to the nearest military post and try to liberate some field artillery and/or gunship helicopters.  Some Mark19 automatic grenade launchers mounted on Humvees.  and the old standby of the 50 cal machine guns, mounted on vehicles or wherever necessary.

Should be good against the zombies and anybody else.
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kelly_hanna I was counting on halberds   s 
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LordJim lol, that would be great for keeping one at bay.  Unless you're planning on a greek phalanx of halberdiers.  I remember one history class where they discussed the spears the greeks used in their phalanxes.  It got kind of ridiculous, with 30ft spears sticking out.
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kelly_hanna Damn   halberds is all have. And a medieval castle
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LordJim My ancestors had a castle somewhere in scotland.  Though using the term 'castle is being a bit generous.  Its a mostly collapsed tower on a hill.  Sorbie tower, I think.
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kelly_hanna. Fortified tower seat of Clan Hannay. There are plans to restore it.
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LordJim https://youtu.be/9dKDnlpm9Sk  drone footage.  Its in better shape than I remembered.  Still pretty bad though.  Cant imagine it being much good against ravening zombie hordes.  Unless it fell over on one.
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LordJim Yeah, there have been plans for well over a decade.  The hannas don't even own it anymore, I don't believe.  If I ever win the lottery....  But even then, its just an isolated tower, with maybe one remaining wall still standing.
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IAB NEEDS MOAR CATGIRLS!



(https://media.tenor.co/images/1397d3922b6b0a384c41cb9896d08c7e/raw)
Ah! So much better now :-)

She's Chen from Touhou Project: (big image, G-rated) https://static.zerochan.net/Chen.full.670443.jpg

Started in 1996, still going like gangbusters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touhou_Project
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gohikineko The two tails seem a bit unnecessary and a little weird.
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mrteatime It's Japanese folklore, very old!
Magical beings who take animal form often have multiple tails based on how powerful they are. Having 2 is a huge jump over 1, and the maximum is 9 :-)  which isn't all that much stronger than 2... but it is stronger for sure. Chen can shape-shift a little, that's why there's images of her in various ages and as an actual cat (with 2 tails I think).

9 Tail Fox Girl: (pg-13? No nudity but kind-of skimpy clothing)
https://get.wallhere.com/photo/illustration-anime-fox-girl-kitsunemimi-sakura-dungeon-Nine-Tailed-Fox-Sakura-Dungeon-300799.jpg

I have no idea what this is, but it looks like a normal game from japan: 
http://sakura-dungeon.wikia.com/wiki/Sakura_Dungeon_Wikia
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gohikineko Interesting, thanks for explaining. It's quite easy to just see this stuff as a wee bit kinky but I guess there's a lot more though that goes into it. I can see the appeal of some of that artwork though!
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mrteatime You're welcome! It takes a little bit of getting used to, but makes sense after all is done.
And cuteness. That's the main driver here! lolz! At least for me, eh?
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mrteatime More so than a little girl with cat ears and one tail?
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holygod Absolutely, takes it to another sinister level.
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I like the idea of billionaires getting on  their super yachts with their security teams and crew and menials and realizing that they are    dead weight. Splash.
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The only reason Walking Dead could continue as a show from season to season is because the Character Are dumber than zombies. The show makes a lot more sense if you assume they're all low IQ types like Forrest Gump 
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dm2754 liked the pilot. Enjoyed  the    first séries. Dropped it after the second

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LordJim it started good but quickly declined
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dm2754 True, they ignored so many basic rules of "post-apocalypse survival" it was silly. Especially when they had that prison... and even in the farmhouse.

Plus they never met another guy named Rick the entire time? Lolz! Or all the Ricks they met dies suddenly... (There can only be one Rick! pow pow!)
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gohikineko The show had far too many soap opera "character development" moments for me, a lot of story padding. I would have preferred a bigger focus on survival and a bit more development around the outbreak itself and the effects around the wider world. Mysterious radio signals, aircraft sightings that sort of thing. 
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mrteatime I liked the character development, that's what the story was about, the people. It was a drama after all.

I didn't like screaming at the screen "you idiots! take everything that isn't nailed down back to your base goddammit!" & etc :-) Some more realism would have been nice, like the things you suggested. 

Aside from the walkie-talkie? (and the hallucinations of phone calls) Did they even once turn on a ham radio and scan for signals? I don't think so...
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gohikineko yes we're going to live in this prison for over a year but we're not going to walk around to the other side ever! who cares if there's a big gaping hole in the defenses.
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One thing television, books, and movies have taught me is that you DO NOT go to the place the military and government is gathering everyone to protect them because someone who is infected will sneak in and then you are all fucked.

Treat every person like they are a potential zombie and avoid them at all costs.

I have been doing that for 36 years and I am very good at it.
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holygod "Treat every person like they are a potential zombie and avoid them at all costs."
Or as Mattis says, "Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill every person you meet."
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holygod also the military will treat you like cattle
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melcervini That did make me giggle a wee bit.
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melcervini This is one of those memes where I know I shouldn't laugh, but darn it, the quip is too damn funny.
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melcervini Wouldn't the broomsticks get slippery after a bit?
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broizfam "Wouldn't the broomsticks get slippery after a bit?"
Are you suggesting that that would be a problem? I'm asking for a friend.
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semichisam01 Wouldn't want her to slide off and get hurt.
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broizfam
I'm thinking suction cup?
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melcervini So true. LOL!
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I have a place that would serve as a quasi-bunker/ safe house. High floor location in an industrial building in a quiet area near my hone with rebar concrete walls and multiple escape routes. Heavy steel gate that can't be broken into without serious power tools, plus 2 more heavy locked doors beyond. Blacked out windows. Sofa bed. Water tank, food, medical supplies and enough tamiflu stockpiled for my family for weeks. 

Don't forget I've been through SARS (and expected to die), I'm a paranoid, obsessive survival prepper and I can afford to build a bunker in Hong Kong. 

I also have more than 10 fortified alternative locations in other districts and more than 150 security staff in my employ. They are literally defensible against a SWAT team. And a property hidden deep in a jungle in another country. And family spread all over the world. And more.

Oh, and I used to collect bladed weapons.

I think I'll be alright. Heh heh.

Hmm, maybe I should get a boat...
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Draculya when money has no value you better hope your security really like you.
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The interesting conundrum with the zombie apocalypse question is that places with the fewest zombies, like very rural areas, are also going to have the fewest supplies to scavenge so you would have to be very self sufficient. Places with the most supplies, like cities, are going to have the most zombies.

If I had access to a boat I'd head for an island.

Alcatraz seems like an almost ideal place. It is an island. It is abandoned. It has fortified structures on it. It is is in close proximity to a city for supply runs. Problem is it has no land for farming.

People in places like figi or hawaii are set unless it is a Walking Dead style apocalypse where everyone turns to a zombie when they die. Because then you are just waiting for an outbreak and you are stuck on an island.
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holygod I'd go back to my home on Wards Island.  That way I can access the city for my supplies and I have some farm land on the Island from which I can survive, and plenty of fresh water.
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holygod In great shape till hurricane season :P
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holygod you want to be in a city in a barricaded place like The Omega Man/ I Am Legend, but subtle and low profile.

Have a rural place as a backup in case the situation precludes the urban strategy.
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Draculya Don't know if I agree with ya my man. You are in Hong Kong. There are 7 million people in Hong Kong. At some point there will be 7 million zombies. Your security detail is probably going to go help their friends and family, not you. You may pay them but money is worthless once the apocalypse happens. Your food and supplies only last so long. Then what? If you leave your fortress you are surrounded by 7 million zombies.

Now instead be out in the middle of nowhere, like Montana, on 30 or 40 farmable acres with livestock, 10 miles from the nearest house and 150+ miles from the nearest populated area. Your life basically remains unchanged as long as you can farm and hunt and care for livestock.
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holygod The Zombie Apocalypse topic is not disappointing. This is already one of the more interesting discussions I've read on IAB in some time.
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holygod I love it when people analyze this stuff. Really great thinking, HG. Thanks!
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Another week down, almost time to relax, and drink a couple of bottles of tequila and call  it a weekend. 
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Credit where credit is due, monk asked the question, which I thought was a really good topic for conversation.
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As for the question at hand...fire cleanses all...

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            !!!!!!!!!!!!!!FRIDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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wolladude Hey there, Wolladude! You are the first to arrive at the party. Hoping all is well in Denmark. I just learned an interesting fact about your country the other day. Apparently, the Danish flag is the world's oldest national flag. (Very pretty, too, by the way.)
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squrlz4ever Heeeey, everything is fine here, we are preparing for our greatest national celebration, J-Day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyPCldarP2o

It's the day the Tuborg brewery launches this years Julebryg, Christmas brew, it's celebrated nationwide and the first round, at 20:59, is paid by the brewery. And yes, in Denmark Christmas is called Jul, as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule, the christian name hasn't caught on yet :p

Originally the launch was on the second wednesday of november, but it had to be moved to a friday as noone showed up at work or in schools the day after.

It is also, coincidentally, the day the police launches the largest yearly campaign against drunk drivers. :p

And correct, our national flag is the oldest national flag still in use, it's been documented as being used by danish kings since around 1350, and before that it was probably used as a rallying banner during our crusades in the baltics in the 12th and 13th centuries.

Denmark as a nation dates back to 980 AD when Harald Blåtand (Harald Bluetooth) was king. His runic initials is very well known worldwide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Name_and_logo
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