Is This What They Call Voter Suppression?

Submitted by: littlemissqt 1 week ago in News & Politics


Here's a polling location in Atlanta, Georgia this morning. What's the ratio of polls per voters here? It's good to see that everyone in line is hanging in there though. Smiles, energy, determination -- someone doesn't want these people to vote with ease.
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Male 9,185
Good times for lawyers.
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Male 18,342
I hear ways and means is going to subpoena trump's tax returns
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Male 1,975
Draculya "I hear ways and means is going to subpoena trump's tax returns"
I learned long ago that everyone lies about sex and money, but I'm a contrarian. It's possible that I'm overthinking this, but I keep thinking that the reason Trump won't release his tax returns, but won't stop talking about them, is that he knows they will be a disappointment. If I'm right, that has been just a long-term distraction.
 
I hope I'm wrong. (My theory does require both long-term planning and self-control on Trump's part.)

I also think (call me a cynic) that someone in the House already has (unauthorized) access to those returns.
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Male 18,342
semichisam01 when Trump wants to be looked up he tells everyone that he is rich and successful. When Trump wants to pay less taxes he tells the IRS that his assets are worthless and he made no profit. Obviously he doesn't want the public to find out what he told the taxman. He already admitted that he pays almost no tax and that his job as a business man is to pay the least possible tax. 
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Male 5,607
What do you expect when the incumbent candidate is overseeing his own election...

And I Voted Today!
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Male 7,136
Polls in Georgia are so bad right now, they dragged out old Jessie Jackson to beg people to stay and wait for a chance to vote.
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3,632
I get the same feeling when going to the DMV. 
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Male 13,169
Of COURSE this is voter suppression. I have always lived in mostly white upper class neighborhoods. I have never stood in line to vote for longer than 20 minutes.

Republicans know full well that if every person voted they would never win another election so they do everything in their power to (legally) win anyways.

Including:

The electoral college
Gerrymandering 
Under polling in poor / urban areas
Holding the election on a single work day
Voter ID
The "war on drugs"
Opposing mail in voting

Now i'm not saying democrats don't or wouldn't use some of these things to their advantage as well, just that republicans are professionals at it. I'm also not saying republicans created these things, they just fight to keep them.

Anything that discourages any legal American over 18 from voting is a disgrace.
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Male 10,083
holygod do everything in their power to (legally) win anyways

The electoral college: Same rules as it's always been.
Gerrymandering: Done by both sides whenever they are in power.
Holding the election on a single work day: How is that suppression?
Voter ID: Also not suppression. 

And there's a problem with doing things legally?
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Male 13,169
megrendel

The electoral college: same rules as has been since the 1700s when people didn't know anything about the candidates running for president so they voted for a local candidate to go vote on their behalf. A great system for then. An absolutely asinine system now. However, republicans will never support it being abolished because it gives them an unfair advantage by making a red state vote count more than a blue state vote.

Gerrymandering: Absolutely done by both sides. However there have been some initiatives to stop it lately and republicans seem to be the ones always blocking it.

Holding the election on a single work day: It is suppression because having the election on one day, a work day, during work hours, suppresses the vote of the working poor who can't get time off for work especially when mixed with lines that are 2 - 3 hours long. Mail in voting should be available in every state and there should be voting on sunday, monday, and tuesday. Those are common sense solutions that would dramatically raise voter turnout, but republicans don't want them to happen because they don't want voter turnout to go up.

Voter ID: This is not suppression if done the right way. If it was actually about ID then the issue should be raised in the months AFTER an election to give people plenty of time to get ID before the next election, but republicans only bring it up months BEFORE an election to use it for suppression. It also shouldn't cost anything. If a picture ID is required to vote then it should be provided. It isn't supposed to cost money to vote.

There is no problem doing things legally, but plenty of laws should be changed. If something comes up that will increase voter turnout then every American should want that, but republicans don't.

You are a smart guy. You know this stuff. 


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Male 11
holygod sorry I'm from Europe, but I can't understand this. How can you exist whitout an ID? I had my first at age 14, and my daughter had hers at age 6. We need it for all sort of thing, school, work etc.
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Male 10,083
holygod vote of the working poor who can't get time off for work 

And there's a mechanism in place for when you know you're not going to be able to vote on a particular day: Absentee Ballot. 

holygod but republicans only bring it up months BEFORE an election to use it for suppression

Bullshit.  It's been pushed, voted on, PASSED and struck down by liberal judges for years now.   It doesn't suddenly 'crop up'.  It may become more of a news story during voting time, but it's been a long game.
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Male 13,169
megrendel "It's been pushed, voted on, PASSED"

It has been, for years now, but always before an election, at least that I'm aware of. 
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Male 10,083
holygod As elections come around every two years, it's going to be before some. The reason it looks that way is the left sues concerning it right before an election..and of course it's an election issue.
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Male 13,169
megrendel "Absentee Ballot."

Some states have rules for who can qualify to request one. Having to work is not an accepted reason in several states. All people should have the right to vote by mail. What possible reason is there to oppose that other than voter suppression?

Can you honestly tell me, that as a whole, the Republican party wants every American to vote?
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Male 10,083
holygod Can you honestly tell me, that as a whole, the Republican party wants every American to vote?

I do think the Republican Party wants every American, who IS an American and who has not lost their privilege to vote due to their own actions, should be allowed to vote. But I'd like for to be an INFORMED voter.   Not saying we should limit ANY citizen that's not informed...just wishful thinking that all would be informed.

On the other hand, IT SHOULD BE LIMITED to American Citizens. 
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Male 13,169
megrendel Do you have no reaction to the link I sent? Republicans are actively suing in Arizona to NOT HAVE VOTES COUNTED. How can that be OK with you?
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Male 10,083
holygod Do you have no reaction to the link I sent?

From the article: Voter signatures on the envelopes containing the ballots must be verified before the votes are tabulated.

And the lawsuit is to keep the counties from 'fixing' ballots that did not have verified signatures or signatures that don't match the signature on file.

And you have a problem with this?

Also notice that only 3 counties are doing this curing process.  Do the votes in those three counties mean more than the other 12 counties in Arizona?  

It would seem they are only going out of their way to verify Democrat votes.  So, is it your contention that Democrat votes matter more? Or that only Democrat voters are too stupid to correctly fill out absentee votes?
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Male 13,169
megrendel "And the lawsuit is to keep the counties from 'fixing' ballots that did not have verified signatures or signatures that don't match the signature on file."

FIXING by contacting the voter and verifying that that was them voting.

"And you have a problem with this?"

Yes.

"Also notice that only 3 counties are doing this curing process.  Do the votes in those three counties mean more than the other 12 counties in Arizona?"

No, they all should be doing it. 

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Male 10,083
holygod FIXING by contacting the voter and verifying that that was them voting.

And who determines 'who' gets called?  I'm sure the votes for the Democratic Candidate that does not match gets 'corrected' while a vote for a Republican Candidate gets rejected. 

So, it seems that while Republicans voted on Tuesday, Democrats get to vote until they win.  

Here's how it works: You vote on Tuesday Nov. 6th.  If you're too fucking stupid to get it right, your vote does not get to be counted. (nor need to be)

Why is it always Democrats that are too dumb to correctly vote?  They can't punch a hole in a piece of paper with a stick correctly in Florida...and they don't know how to sign their name correctly in Arizona. 

So you admit many Democrats truly are too dumb to vote?
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Male 13,169
megrendel You can't tell who someone voted for without opening the envelope. The signature is on the envelope. They don't open the envelope unless the signature is verified. Not everything is a conspiracy.

It isn't about signing your name correctly. Sometimes the signature looks different or if you haven't voted before then they don't ave something to compare to. 

Only about 5,000 votes were in the signature pile. The VAST majority of the 1.5 million votes to be counted after the election were mail in and as of right now they are running 53% Democrat / 47% Republican.

For the most part I agree with you on too stupid, but do you remember that stupid fucking ballot in florida? It was unnecessarily confusing and it wasn't about intelligence it was about age and eyesight. The people having problems with it were in their 70s and 80s. 
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Male 1,975
megrendel "On the other hand, IT SHOULD BE LIMITED to American Citizens."
What The Holy Fuck are you talking about? It is limited to citizens. No country allows non-citizens to vote.
That isn't the other hand. That is absolute craziness! I'm finding it hard to believe that you are an informed voter.
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Male 10,083
semichisam01 What The Holy Fuck are you talking about?

Oh, I don't know...the non-citizens who have been caught voting in past elections maybe?  Or the illegals being allowed to vote in San Francisco local elections maybe?
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Male 13,169
megrendel Case in point

Republicans suing to not have votes counted, because of course they are.
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Male 13,169
megrendel Well of course it should be limited to American citizens. What do you mean by "lost their privilege"? Are you telling me someone who got caught with some pot in the 80s and got out of prison 30 years ago shouldn't be allowed to vote? Because when states try to give people voting privileges back it is Republicans that block it.
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Male 10,083
holygod with some pot in the 80s and got out of prison 30 years ago shouldn't be allowed to vote

Again, there is a mechanism in place for them to restore their voting privileges.

But, if you're a convicted felon (that goes for drug dealers and bank swindlers alike), restoration of your voting privileges should be applied for, not automatically returned.
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Male 13,169
megrendel The mechanism in place in some states is a panel of 2 or 3 politicians who arbitrarily make decisions. Now if those politicians happen to be republicans and you happen to be black or hispanic or a liberal then they don't have much incentive to reinstate your voting rights do they?

Why does being a felon mean you can't vote? How does that in any way mean you aren't entitled to your opinion?
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Male 10,083
holygod Voting is not your opinion.

It might be that some figure that if you're a felon, there's a good chance the decisions you make in your life are questionable.
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Male 13,169
megrendel Well by that metric if you cheat on your wife you should lose your vote. If you go bankrupt you should lose your vote. If watch keeping up with the kardashians or nascar you should lose your vote.
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Male 10,083
holygod if you cheat on your wife 

A personal decision that effects no one but you and your wife. It does not effect the public at large. 

holygod If you go bankrupt 

A personal decision that effects no one but you. It does not effect the public at large. 

holygod  If watch keeping up with the kardashians or nascar you should lose your vote.

Hey, I actually agree with that one. 
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Male 13,169
megrendel

1. If you go to prison because you got caught with drugs for personal use, how in the hell did that "affect the public at large"?

2. If you go bankrupt it ABSOLUTELY affects the public at large. The whole point is you don't pay your debts. You think the companies that are owed that money just eat it? No. They raise interest rates on the rest of us to make up for the people who don't pay their debts.
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Male 2
holygod This ID business has been a topic for over ten years now.  Plenty of time to get one. Here in Delaware an ID costs 20 bucks, good for four years.  That works out to 1.37 cents a day.  I'd hardly call that a hardship or any kind of poll tax.  It's not up to republicans or democrats to "raise the issue".  Get off your ass, and go get your ID if you care so much about who gets elected.  And as an aside to your laundry list of complaints...if "brown people and immigrants" voted mostly republican...we'd not only have a southern border wall...you would be able to see it from space.   
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Male 1,975
dromed2 "I'd hardly call that a hardship or any kind of poll tax."
I believe that $40, for a couple raising a family on two part-time minimum wage jobs, could be a hardship. For most of us, it would not.
If you have to pay to vote, it is a poll tax. 
Your state is quite a bit more voter-friendly than that, valid ID at the polls is any government-issued document bearing the voters name and address. No photo is necessary. A utility bill would do. I can't fault that.
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Male 2,817
semichisam01 Sorry...you can find 3 cents a day by looking on the ground.  ID is just a part of everyday life.  I need an ID to buy a gun...my 2nd amendment right.  I don't hear the left complaining about disenfranchised poor gun buyers.
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Male 1,975
dromed "ID is just a part of everyday life."
ID is not a part of everyday life for everyone, but the only point I tried to make is that, if you have to pay to vote, it is a poll tax. So courts have ruled. If you had to pay a penny, it would be a one cent poll tax.
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Male 2,817
semichisam01 So then you're fine with people not having to show ID for gun purchases? 
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Male 1,975
dromed "So then you're fine with people not having to show ID for gun purchases?"

I would be. It greatly annoys me that when I have legal tender in my hand to pay for an item that has been legally offered for sale, I must identify myself and ask Uncle Government for permission to make the purchase, like a small child who wants to buy candy with his allowance.

But that aspect doesn't annoy me as much as the fact that my Uncle now knows what I own and where to find it if he wants to take it from me. It all speaks to the unpleasant fact that my government doesn't bother to hide the fact that it doesn't trust me.

Does that have something to do with voter suppression?
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holygod red state vote count more than a blue state vote. 
And? You really think some fucktard barista in SF who will always rent and never own property be counted the same as a dude in (what you call) 'fly over states', who owns land and grows your food be counted the same? Higher stake in the country should mean higher the pull. Sorry, I don't want the country run by cali and ny. They don't know me.  
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Male 5,607
skypirate Wait, so you are saying we should go back to a time where only land-owning white men can vote?  Are you saying that "fucktard barista in SF who will always rent" isn't equal to you, a white man who owns land?  Are you saying that major cities do not contribute to the economy and overall betterment of our Country?  That only States that grow food are important and places that focus on new technologies and businesses are meaningless?

"They don't know me"

What does that even mean?  You are an American and a human being who lives on the same planet as I do.  You breath the same air and you require the same means to survive, including Awesome breakfast Sandwiches.  What exactly don't I know about you?  One of those meaningless political talking points; like abortion, gun rights, immigration... they are nothing but fluff used to distract and divide us from each other.  Remove those things are we are a lot more alike in many ways, like sitting back and having a cold beer and enjoying life.
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kalron Whoa, I never said anything about color or gender (maybe 'barista' has a gender attached to it but I really didn't mean it, change it to coffee slinger) you did. And ya, higher the stake in the country should mean your vote counts more. Hell, I don't know what it's like to wake up on a cattle ranch in Montana, and it's foolish for me to think I should be able to regulate it.  
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Male 13,169
skypirate "Higher stakes" should mean your vote counts more? So if I have 4 kids, a quarter of a million net worth, own 2 properties, and 4 businesses then my vote should count more than yours does?
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holygod Yes. You're more likely to preserve wealth rather than destroy it. 
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Male 13,169
skypirate Dude, that is a very dangerous game. So give those with the most wealth and power the ability to control policy that keep themselves in wealth and power? That is some Hunger Games shit.

Usually I disagree with you, but can understand and appreciate your opinion, not this time. I think this is way off the reservation. A vote is supposed to be the one time we are all equal.
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holygod Sorry, I can't get behind manufacturing equality. We're inherently not equal, and that is OK, we just need to learn to play our strengths. There are a lot of things a lot of people can do that I can't and that's fine.

Usually I disagree with you
Oh man, thats an understatement. I think the only thing we can agree on is The Big Lebowski is one of the best movies ever made. 
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Male 13,169
skypirate "I think the only thing we can agree on is The Big Lebowski is one of the best movies ever made."

Probably.

"OK, we just need to learn to play our strengths. There are a lot of things a lot of people can do that I can't and that's fine. "

Good. So let me be in charge of socio-political decisions like this and you stick to your strengths.

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holygod Why? You have an opinion, great. And? What have you done to show you should be in charge of socio-political decisions? And wouldn't that go against the 'one vote for all' policy? 

And yes, I know you were being sarcastic but that did raise a good point. 
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Male 13,169
skypirate I was using your logic. By your logic, because I have attained more financially than you my opinion is somehow more valid. I don't agree, but that was your opinion.
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holygod holygod Never said anything about kids, but ya, the more you own the more you pay. The less you own the more you take out of owners pockets. So those votes should not be equal. 'That's just like your opinion man'. 
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Male 5,607
skypirate "Whoa, I never said anything about color or gender...you did"

Damn right I did.  If you are saying a certain group deserves to have their vote count over any other in this Country, you might as well come right out and say it...let's go back to the good old days where only white land-owning men can vote.  

How else am I supposed to take a statement where someone is suggesting un-equal voting rights where a land owner who grows food has more rights than "fucktard renting baristas"?
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Male 1,975
skypirate "I don't want the country run by cali and ny. They don't know me."

The state of California is fifth in number of farms, after Texas, Missouri, Iowa and Oklahoma.
California produces the most food of any state. Iowa and Nebraska are numbers two and three.
Sounds like California votes should count more than votes in some of the states that do know you.

Aside from that, I'm not one of the people who knows you, so I don't know what exactly the word 'fucktard' means. Apparently, in the demeaning vocabulary of the kind of people who know you, it's an obscene descriptive for someone who has an honest job, but doesn't yet own property.

I don't think that I would want my country run by the kind of people who know you.
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Male 13,169
semichisam01 I like this comment very much.
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Male 13,169
skypirate Right next to the guy growing food is a trailer park full of fat people mooching off welfare. Red states take more from the government then they contribute. Blue states contribute more than they take.

There is no scenario in which the country is run by NY and Cali and I refuse to give this math lesson again.
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holygod 
It's not math, it's philosophy. 

'A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.' - Tytler
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Male 1,975
skypirate "until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury."
Well, that does seem to be what is happening. Lord Woodhouselee may have described our dilemma.
That is the reason that Congress cannot reconsider the preposterous idea of using food to make fuel, and why presidential campaigns start in Iowa. It is the reason that Trump is pretending to bail farmers out of the mess his tariffs got them into, but is not even pretending to help steelworkers.
Since you seem to be a student of philosophy, I would recommend 'Systems of Survival, by Jane Jacobs. Her writing style is turgid at best, but so is Tytler's
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Male 13,169
skypirate It's math. The differential of democrats over republicans in those two states is nowhere near high enough to allow them to control elections.
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Male 7,136
Line for me wasn't too bad today, but some places in Detroit didn't even have polling machines available at all.
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Male 2
daegog No polling machines at all?  Gee...wonder what party has run Detroit for the last 50 years?

side note....had to re-register to the site.  needed to retrieve my pass word but could not.  guess it was linked to a now defunct e-mail addy.  Anyway the comment filed box here at IAB seems broken for Fire Fox.  I'm using Explorer at the moment and things are OK.
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Male 4,445
dromed2 Check your email shortly. I'm going to see if I can't help you recover your account. I'd hate to see the history of your account made defunct because of a password issue.
And other users have reported FireFox not working for them. Right now, all we can say is to hold on.
Chrome, Edge, and IE have been working for people, or at least no issues have been reported.
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