Hortonville, Wisconsin Business Will Be Giving Employees Handguns For Christmas

Submitted by: trimble 1 month ago in News & Politics

The gift was made as part of an effort to promote personal safety and team building.

An excerpt from the Post Crescent: A local business that produces glassware embedded with bullets recently decided to give every employee a handgun as a Christmas present.

Ben Wolfgram, who co-owns Hortonville-based BenShot, said the decision to give employees handguns as a gift was made as part of an effort to promote personal safety and team building.

The business has 16 full-time employees, including several military veterans. But the business also had employees who had never fired a gun before, Wolfgram said.

This is the first time the business has done anything like this, Wolfgram said. The business was started in a small garage workshop in 2015.

Most employees were excited at the prospect of receiving their handgun, Wolfgram said. Chelsea Priest, an employee, said she felt empowered by the gift, which she believes will help keep her safe.

“I've never been a part of anything like this,” she said. 

At least two employees initially declined the gift, but are considering accepting it after taking a gun safety course the business had employees take before getting their guns, Wolfgram said.

The national debate about guns was thrust back into the spotlight recently after the Oct. 27 shooting at a Pittsburgh synagogue and the Nov. 7 shooting at a bar in Thousand Oaks, California.

Only two months ago, a gunman wounded four of his coworkers at a software company in Middleton before he was shot and killed by police.

Wolfgram said he wasn't worried about workplace violence because his business has a small staff and all of the employees know each other well.

“For us, now, we have an entire armed staff,” he said. “I think that’s pretty good.”
There are 69 comments:
Male 530
Wish I worked here.....I could use another gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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rukittenme What's your favorite that you own? 
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Female 6,716
skypirate My favorites to open-carry are my .357 S&W revolver, or my Springfield .45 xds singlestack.  For the home we have a nice array of tools that range from .22 to a Yugoslavian SKS 7.62.
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Male 530
skypirate My gun is a Sig P220 45 caliber, the wife has a Walther PPQ 9mm 15 round double stack, when my father passed I got his old Taurus 38 snub nose revolver. Used to have a mossy 500 myself.
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rukittenme
My gun is a Sig P220 45 caliber, the wife has a Walther PPQ 

Oh man, you're speaking my language. I'm more or less partial to plastic strikers over metal hammer guns but the sight picture on p series sigs is pretty hard to beat. 

 
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Male 6,326
skypirate well hi there pard mmm lets talk about favs.... you first slim
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rumham For a pistol, PPQ 9mm M1, I just hit with it. Rifle, ar 15. for a shotgun, a cheap ass mossy 500. 
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Male 5,281
skypirate For fun, my Ruger .22 single 10 and my S&W .22 M&P shield for handguns, my Mossberg .22 ar platform Plinkster for rifle. For CCW, home defense or other protection I have a nice assortment of cool scary ones you would love.
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trimble I learned on a single 6...there is just something fun about SA wheel guns.

I have a nice assortment of cool scary ones you would love.
Go on...
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Male 7,329
Thing is, you DO NOT know all those people that well, and worse you do not know WHO THEY KNOW.

This seems apocalyptic-ally stupid.
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Male 5,713
Honest questions, how does this work with background checks?  Who is the owner of the gun when purchased?  How does the ownership changes hands?  Can they legally sell the gun after receiving it?
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Male 6,326
kalron lol an honest question, ahahahaha you goof, i would say fuck the gun gimme a oz. of nugz and a case of bushmills
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Male 530
rumham Hell ya rum................I see you are still you....thank god...can always count on your responses for a great laugh. 
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Male 6,326
rukittenme good to see you back, a nod and a shot of whiskey for your dad :(  but hope the kid and the wife are good.
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Male 530
rumham Everyone else is fine........thanks for the nod and shot.....it was really tough for a while there now I just look back at all the great times we had and try to remember how awesome he was. The boy is growing like a weed....won his first basketball game last night, he scored 12 of their 37 points. The wife got a promotion, that means I can work a little less.............NOT!!!!! 
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Male 6,326
rukittenme in the words of Steve Miller - keep on rockin'
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kalron If you go private purchase, then it's all good, as long as you don't gift to a known felon (thats the definition of a straw purchase). If you go through an FFL you need to fill out a 4473 and the FFL does a NICS check on you, Thats the same thing as you going to a pawn shop, or local gun shop or wally world or dicks or take your pick. I'm guessing the shop owner is going to make them go through a FFL for legal reasons. 
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Male 5,713
skypirate When I sold my gun I had to go to a legitimate business to change ownership.  A background check was run on the person I sold it to.  How does giving your employees a "Christmas Bonus" in the form of a gun work?  Do you preemptively have to run those background checks?  Does the employee have to go to the gun shop to retrieve their "bonus"?  If the employer purchases all of the "bonuses" in bulk, how does the ownership change hands?

These are serious questions I have regarding this concept.
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kalron I'm just running on federal law. Cali, NY prolly some other states do it different, it just really depends where you live. 
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Male 5,713
skypirate That kind of touches on the issues the left have regarding gun laws.  There is no consistency.

Yes, some are gun grabbing idiots...but some, and more so the majority, want consistency across the board when it comes to how guns are distributed according to the law.

Unfortunately like most political topics, you can't have a decent conversation about it without it immediately devolving into a shit show.

I have no problems with owning a gun.  But I do have legitimate questions as to how this concept works within the guidelines of the law
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Male 9,383
If I lived in the US I would seriously consider owning a gun but I would hate to see US gun culture exported over here. Which will probably never happen. I have a few friends with shotguns, and I enjoy popping clays, and a couple with rifles I have never met anyone who favours handguns being available.
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Male 4,069
LordJim 
'U.S. gun culture', Like the States is the only nation with guns and gun crime,
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Male 13,289
captkangaroo Come on. No other 1st world nation has a gun fetish like the united states. 
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holygod 
Fair to say
Then the U.K. has rape culture, Afghanistan has a cut your head off culture, western Europe has a misandry culture, the middle east has a human trafficking culture, African nations have a corruption culture, south American nations have drug and money laundering culture.
Right? Fair to say? 
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Male 13,289
captkangaroo I didn't say gun murder, I said gun. At least half the country likes, or even loves guns. Plenty of law abiding citizens own dozens of them. 

Do more than half of the people in the U.K. like rape?
Do more than half the people in Afghanistan like cutting heads off?

Or are your analogies bad?
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Male 9,383
captkangaroo Did I say gun crime?  No. However, if you can't address the issue, change it. However clumsily.
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LordJim 
So tell me about u.s. gun culture.
Sorry to be so clumsy, I did not know that there are stringent rules to be followed, that one cannot analyze different parts of s statement.
Gosh and golly gee, won't you indulge me this one time, and tell me about gun culture?
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Male 9,383
captkangaroo Sorry, mate. Still too tedious.
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LordJim 
I understand that to mean you do not stand behind your words.
Mouthy and cowardly - my, that is tedious.
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6,944
LordJim yeah why have one of those pesky little handguns when you can have a more dangerous rifle
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3,658
LordJim God I wish I could justify a Holland and Holland o/u. Those guns are just so fucking sexy.  
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Male 685
skypirate YES.  A matched pair for me and the missus!
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Male 9,383
skypirate In my neck of the woods, that's a paraphilia. I'm not judging, but please tell me tongues haven't been involved.
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Female 6,716
LordJim Some of us prefer the term 'Ammosexual' ;)
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melcervini 
oh man, and this is why I love you. 
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3,658
LordJim Dude it's a shotgun. You literally just said you know friends with shot guns, and h and h is from England. I just can't get down on the money...
I just buy useless shotguns. Maybe i'll figure it out one day, but that day is not today.     
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Male 9,383
skypirate Not that kind of shot-gun. The old fashioned, breech-loading kind. These are British? Who the hell do they sell them to? I seriously doubt they are legal in the UK.
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Male 685
LordJim The gns in that picture are not Holland & Holland - this one is. Artistery.

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LordJim
Who the hell do they sell them to?
The people who can drop 20 grand on a shotgun and 70 thousand on a land rover. I't Ain't me man.

The old fashioned, breech-loading kind
O/u shotguns can only take 2 shells, so you're polly good. 

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Male 9,383
skypirate They look ghastly. If I wanted a shotgun I'd get one with some decent walnut on it. Something a chap can carry on the moors without looking ridiculous. Purdies are way over-priced and rather ostentatious but you can get a very nice reliable classic shotgun for around £700. Twenty grand for plastic?
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LordJim Hard cased is so sexy but ya, I can't drop 20k on one...The Turks import to ATI for around 350.  
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Male 955
As safety devices go they really don't hold up.  More likely to harm someone in the household then protect them.
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Male 10,144
muert One of the reasons I own guns is the same reason I own fire extinguishers.

I no more worry about my gun harming a family member than I do a fire extinguisher falling on their foot.  (in other words...don't do stupid shit with either.)
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Male 7,329
megrendel I would bet most people echo that exact same sentiment BEFORE the tragedy.

At that point it becomes "He should have never had a gun in the first place, blah blah blah" you know the dance.
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Male 10,144
daegog "He should have never had a fire extinguisher in the first place, blah blah blah" you know the dance.

A gun is a tool.  No more dangerous if handled correctly than power drill. 

The closest I will ever get to that sentiment is "He should have never handled anything more complicated than a screwdriver because he was a fucking idiot."
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Male 13,289
megrendel ""He should have never had a fire extinguisher in the first place, blah blah blah" you know the dance."

Ummm. Dude? This is not your best analogy. If you forget to put your fire extinguisher away after cleaning it and your 3 yr old grandson comes over he can't blow his face off with it.

I support owning guns, but please don't minimize the potentially devastating lethality of a gun by comparing it to something relatively harmless.
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Male 10,144
holygod If you forget to put your fire extinguisher away after cleaning it and your 3 yr old grandson comes over he can't blow his face off with it.

But, if you forget to secure your fire extinguisher after recharging it and your 3 yr old grandson comes over he can  hurt or kill himself with it.  

And yes, I do know a man who was killed with a fire extinguisher by mishandling it.  Is it likely?  No.  But neither is it likely I will forget to secure any of my firearms.   You can't let other's stupidity rule how the government rules your life.
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Male 13,289
megrendel You know a man who was killed with a fire extinguisher? Seriously? How?
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Male 10,144
holygod Was working in a room where they store extinguishers, one big halon extinguisher that had been incorrectly stored discharged, became airborn, punched through a cinderblock wall and bounced off several other walls.  He received a head injury that he eventually died from.

This happened last year in the hospital where my wife works.  He received immediate medical care but he was too badly injured. 
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Male 13,289
megrendel OK, so we aren't talking the kind of extinguisher you have in your house right?
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Male 10,144
holygod In this case, no.  But I have seen part of a household extinguisher put a hole in a ceiling.
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Male 2,239
megrendel "He should have never handled anything more complicated than a screwdriver because he was a fucking idiot."

I think I know that guy.

The most dangerous thing I can buy without at least showing ID is a chainsaw. Ask anyone who works in an ER about chainsaws.
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Male 10,144
semichisam01 Ask anyone who works in an ER about chainsaws

My wife is a nurse, and I knew this.  Even went to a funeral for a guy (and EMT at that) who managed to kill himself mishandling a chainsaw.
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muert that's very true. A lot of people seem to have a John McClane fantasy even though they never bothered up practice at the range.
The argument always goes like this.
If someone kicks in the door to my house what good is the gun in the safe.
Well unless you're going to keep it holstered and you're damn good quick draw. It's not going to do you any good anyway.
People knowing you have a gun is often a deterrent. Introducing a gun into a situation always escalates to violence.

Just like everything else on this Earth there's pros and cons  
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Male 2,239
dm2754 "Introducing a gun into a situation always escalates to violence."
Well, at least it greatly increases the chance of violence. Now, if we can explain that to the police.
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muert Well, ya but people who own pianos are more likely to have a piano fall on them. I guess LEO's and the military are screwed? Nah, just follow the first five rules and you'll be fine. Out of the 50 guns I own, none of them have ever killed me or anything outside of hunting. It's all about you, I control the trigger.    
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Male 9,383
skypirate  people who own pianos are more likely to have a piano fall on them.

I seriously doubt that. The only time a piano will fall is when being hoisted between upper and lower floors, whether internally or externally. The majority of people present will be piano-movers, servants and bystanders. The owner of the piano is very unlikely to be standing underneath it. He's probably gone to his club to avoid the inconvenience. 

I demand statistics on the number of piano owners as opposed to non-piano owners crushed by pianos in the last 100 years.

This doesn't count;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-eTn8sSAk
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LordJim Well, if you don't have a Piano, and don't around them, you won't get crushed by one. I mean that's just, logic. 
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Male 955
skypirate I'm talking statistically, you are talking about a data point.

Serious question:  If you had a depressed person in your house, would you ditch all your guns so they would be less likely to commit suicide?
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muert Great read here BTW. 

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muert No, suicide is very personal, I would feel unjustified to interact. If they want help, I'm there for them.  
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taking a gun safety course
Yup, you should do this. The five rules are easy if you know them. 

But fuck, can we get past thanksgiving before talking about Christmas? 
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Female 6,716
skypirate and lol 'but fuck"
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6,944
Thats awesome.
I bet they will never have a mass shooting 
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Male 189
dm2754 maybe just a mass shoot out, see who survives
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