Geraldo Rivera Clashes With Fox News Hosts Over Migrants At Border

Submitted by: daegog 1 month ago in News & Politics

There are 107 comments:
Male 2,345
We know only what they tell us.

The tear gas used on me in Army Basic Training was chloracetophenone (CN), which mainly affects the eyes and dissipates fairly rapidly. I learned that, with training and foreknowledge, it is possible to deploy a rifle, insert a clip and fire at a target while nearly blinded by 'CN'.
 
According to official reports, the 'tear gas' used in this incident was 'CS' or o-chlorobenzylidenemalononitrile, which can cause temporary or permanent damage to the respiratory tract. 

This was a conscious decision by people who know the difference.
1
Reply
Male 2,254
semichisam01 Obama used teargas about once a month in his 8 years:
https://static.pjmedia.com/trending/user-content/51/files/2018/11/border-tear-gas-DHS.jpg
And pepper spray a whole lot more often:
https://static.pjmedia.com/trending/user-content/51/files/2018/11/border-pepper-spray-dhs.jpg
And yes, on 'women and children' too:
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/26/local/la-me-border-skirmish-20131127
Against a much smaller crowd, absolutely zero MSM "outrage".
-1
Reply
Female 6,818
semichisam01 We used CS gas in the Marines for training. (See below)
0
Reply
Male 7,520
0
Reply
295
Not to downplay it, but I've been teargassed and peppersprayed several times in my life.  Pepper spray is no fun, but tear gas effects fade pretty quickly.  As long as you aren't stuck in a contained area with it.  Even then, as soon as you manage to get outside, in the open, teargas fades in a few minutes.  I've only been teargassed a couple times out in the open, and it been almost 30 years since the last time, but it wasn't terrible.  It wasn't much fun either, but it is temporary.  It does clear your sinuses out though.
-1
Reply
Female 6,818
kelly_hanna I've been to the gas chamber about 60+ times in my life, most of which happened when I was a Primary Marksman Instructor (PMI) aka Range Coach for 2 years in the Marine Corps. 

Twice a year, Marines are required to spend 2 weeks honing their combat skills and maintaining minimum physical fitness standards.  PMI's are responsible for overseeing their Battalion's Marines' training which includes a timed 3 mile run, timed crunches (we did full sit-ups when I was in) and timed pull-ups (flexed arm-hang for females)

Physical Fitness Training Point system.

The fun part is the Gas Chamber where you hone your skills donning, clearing, and maintaining your gas mask.  (We usually made our teams run a few miles to where the Chamber is located so you're good and out of breath before you go in, ergo you'll be taking deeeep breaths of that shit once you're locked inside. ;)  we were dicks)

Its hell.  Horrible.  Burns your eyes and skin (especially if you're good and sweaty), you have 3 foot snots hanging from your nose, and you want to claw your way out.  But you don't.  You take it until the 3-5 minutes is up, then you get the hell out.  (Where we were usually standing with cameras at the ready for those awesome snot-shots :D )  Then after sending the trainees home, we'd go and do stupid shit like this, Last Man Standing,  for a case of beer. (I never got it lol) 
1
Reply
Male 700
kelly_hanna Can you share some stories? What situations have you been in that you've been pepper sprayed and tear gassed so many times?
0
Reply
295
yelloow12 it was an annual event in the army.  the tear gas.  The pepper spray was a one time event (thank god).  Pepper spray is infntely worse.  You just have to wait for that stuff to denature.  It helps a bit if theres a breeze and you can face into it and pry your eyelids open.  That helps dry it out a bit.  You cant wash it off.  And even hours later, if you wash your face, it'll reactivate it, until it dries out again.

The only bad part about tear gas, is that if you inhale even the tiniest amount, you start gasping.  And the more you gasp, the more you inhale.  But once it clears, its over pretty quickly.  And you can actually function in the tear gas, though it isn't easy and you have to maintain some self control and not freak out.
-1
Reply
Male 700
kelly_hanna Oh hah it was voluntary(ish). My mind immediately went to riots or something like that. 
0
Reply
Male 9,625
kelly_hanna   Not to downplay it, but ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIvYWUVB1Ig
0
Reply
295
LordJim Unless you have an actual experience to relate, you should consider occasionally keeping your trap shut.
-3
Reply
171
kelly_hanna I hope you have no opinion on school shootings unless you've been in a school shooting. 

Immigrants or refugees unless you yourself immigrated to America. 

I hope you have no opinion on rape unless you've been raped. 

And abortion unless you've had one.

Otherwise consider keeping your trap shut.

At an annual event in the army?? You're comparing military trained men's ability to handle tear gas which you admit was not easy to women and children running barefoot in diapers... 

Way to show your humanity. 

I'm sure you would have this same position if your wife, mother and daughter were teargassed obeying the law...

It's 100% true. EVERYTHING BEFORE BUT IS BULLSHIT. 
I'm not racist, but...
I don't hate immigrants, but...

The whole point of the words before but is to deflect attention away from how cruel, racist, sexist, prejudice the words that are about to follow are going to be.
0
Reply
Male 9,625
kelly_hanna I was being light hearted, I thought. But like you I have been around. My first tear gas story? Southern Sudan, '78. Started with gas, got bloody very quickly. Saw two of my students shot as they stumbled out of the classroom. Three more taken away in police pick-ups. Never saw them again. Washed the gas out of my eyes, then washed off the blood spatter of a fourteen year old child that I had been teaching minutes before.

Mind your manners, pal.
0
Reply
171
LordJim Wow, that's horrific... Sorry
0
Reply
Male 7,614
I hear that immagrents are good at farming. In a few years when the breeding ships arive, we will need as many humans at the farms as possible to help with the food harvest. This will solve many problems with your hunger, over population and immagration problems 
0
Reply
Female 6,818
1
Reply
Male 6,329
3
Reply
Male 27
What kind of an adult would bring their children to illegally try to enter a country that is defended. Would they have done so if there were no cameras present? Why is the point of women mentioned if all people are equal? There is a huge entrance, right there, yet they chose to enter by the gap in the fence/wall, hmmm.
0
Reply
Male 2,377
UnoWild your family.
0
Reply
Male 2,345
UnoWild "Why is the point of women mentioned if all people are equal?"

You claim to be male. I hope that some other adult male in your life has made it clear to you that women with children hold a special position in human society when the shit hits the fan. This is not because women are weak (if you haven't learned it yet, they are not), but because they are vulnerable, and because children are the only future we have.

If you asked that particularly naive-sounding question just to stir up shit, consider it stirred.
0
Reply
Male 2,254
UnoWild Because they aren't there for any other purpose than to act as meat shields for the thousands of military-age men, who film them for propaganda purposes.

I love the picture of the 'mother' with 2 little bare-foot children 'fleeing' from the gas... as the cameras in the background roll, lolz! She doesn't have shoes for her kids? Really? She forced-marched them 2000 miles in bare feet? Or: she took their shoes off to make it look more dramatic. :/
-1
Reply
Male 967
gohikineko Shoes are expensive, and optional.  If someone needs to choose between shoes and food, especially  in warm climates, they can and should choose food every time.
1
Reply
Male 2,254
muert So they walked 1000 miles without shoes on? You expect us to believe that?

And they are pretty well dressed otherwise if they were too poor to afford shoes...

Are there any pictures from the journey of shoeless children before this? I think not... they'd be front page.

Wouldn't someone have simply given them a pair of flip-flops or something in the past few weeks? Everyone else is well fed, well dressed and have charged smart phones...
-1
Reply
Male 7,614
UnoWild  Trump was closing the entrence  just before the crowd panicked and made a rush for it 
1
Reply
Male 2,345
UnoWild "What kind of an adult would bring their children..."
Only a desperate parent would do that. Desperate parents have thrown children out of burning buildings, not knowing whether there was anyone to catch them.
0
Reply
Male 2,254
semichisam01 Only a desperate greedy parent would do that.
Fify. :-)
Their nation is not burning, they are just in the march for propaganda props.
-3
Reply
171
UnoWild


They're legal to enter and apply for asylum. They are being blocked from entry illegally.

The KIND of people? Since you asked, are desperate people, running from hopelessness. Running from certain death. Poverty. And in most cases where Latin American countries are concerned, conditions that are largely due to American intervention in their nation that they are now dispossessed. 
0
Reply
7,050
Instead of virtuous signaling why don't you do something about it.
 http://www.roomforrefugees.com/
0
Reply
Male 967
dm2754 Currently only in New York, but I like the idea.
0
Reply
7,050
The plan was to put the women and children up front to use as a shield because I'm Americans won't harm women and children.

So to all the bleeding hearts who don't see who's really responsible you are part of the problem.
-3
Reply
171
dm2754 Wow, we have someone who was on the inside of the planning. How did you get these plans? 
0
Reply
Male 7,520
I love how no one mentions that this is the direct result the United States intentional destabilization of South America for the last 100 years.

We have fucked up that whole continent for a century and when people try to flee OUR shenanigans we turn them away like rabble.
2
Reply
Male 2,254
daegog What do you suggest? Overthrow the current governments in these nations and try, try again? :/ The US already gives them literally tons of aid, what actual solutions do you offer? Or are you just parroting the latest meme?
-1
Reply
Female 999
daegog Unfortunately, you have good points.
3
Reply
Female 6,818
Throwing rocks at border patrol/sneaking across the borders = complete disregard for our immigration laws = not the best people to have in this country, yes? 

 Since tear gas makes makes illegal-sympathizers cry too, how about the Active Denial System?  

   Sorry, you show up violently at another country's border, waving YOUR country's flag?   Its not migrants or asylum seekers, its an invasion and need to be put out until they can be vetted properly.  Follow the law, welcome aboard.  Come here with violence AND drag kids with you for human shields?  Fuck you, you're lucky to just get a face full of teargas.
0
Reply
171
melcervini You should be ashamed to know that a Canadian knows your laws better than you do.


It's literally step one.

These are not illegals. People as hateful as you SHOULD be deported though. That would be one way to Make America Great.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/10/raul-labrador/no-immigrants-cannot-apply-asylum-us-embassies-or-/
0
Reply
7,050
todd_dirks  Canada doesn't have a good track track record for treating asylum seekers lately 
-2
Reply
171
dm2754 could you elaborate? Maybe I missed something. 

I am overall proud of my country, but hell ya we slip up and right-wingers are often at the heart of that. We are not perfect, and I'm happy to criticize our shortcomings.

If we as a country start justifying hate and violence against brown people, I won't go around calling us the good guys anymore. We will no longer be one of the good guys.

For example, I'm pissed that my Liberal PM has not withdrawn our contract to supply the Saudi gov with military vehicles after the murder of an American-based journalist. 

That is simply unacceptable in a country that recently was one of the only ones who condemned the Saudis for arresting and executing women who protest, and I'm not afraid to call out a government that overall does good in this world when they are hypocritical. 

I have MY principals. They aren't for sale. I don't seek my opinion in whatever the orange haired orangutan is saying today. It doesn't change based on the color of people's skin or country of origin.

Believe it or not, it isn't based on my country or its flag. Canada is far from number one in the world. We have a lot of work to do. 

But Canada is small potatoes. Our foreign policy doesn't have the impact yours does. Many of these people in desperate situations are in these conditions largely because of American intervention in their countries.

Then you have 30-40% of the population completely ignorant to the history that created these conditions and the laws that allow these people to come and seek a life of freedom and joy, calling them undesirable invaders... Justifying violence against them. 

This matters. The wholesale dehumanization of these people and those who support them. Lies coming from the highest office in the land about their RIGHT to enter America, and the fact that if they do not enter, they CANNOT apply for asylum.

Think about that. The President of the United States. The leader of the country, repeatedly lying to his people about American laws that are accessible to every american citizen with less than two minutes of internet searching...

You can have a movement calling for the laws allowing asylum seekers to enter the country freely be changed. Claim the existing laws are bad. But to literally lie. Lie on Fox News. Call them invaders. Call them illegals. 

Is that who you want to be in the world? Is that the path to a better America? If it is, stop calling yourself one of the good guys.

People who have walked 2,000 miles with their babies are running from something that should be respected. They have a right to enter the country. They cannot apply for asylum from a foreign nation or consulate.

They must be allowed in. They are NOT being allowed in. They are being blocked by border guards. Stopped. Lied about. And then gassed. And 40% of the population's response is to further abuse them by calling them lawbreakers, criminals and foreign invaders...

I just cannot wrap my head around the level of partisanship and burying your head in the sand to human life you have to get to where this is the path of the good guys in this world.
0
Reply
Male 2,345
dm2754 In a pathetically failed attempt to distract from an argument you could not address, you have referenced your own IAB post that generated over 60, mostly disapproving, comments. Several of the commenters noted that the article itself contradicted your claims about it.
3
Reply
Male 9,692
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states



To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.


You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States, unless you can show:

  • Changed circumstances that materially affect your eligibility for asylum or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay in filing
  • You filed within a reasonable amount of time given those circumstances.


So when the law says you can seek asylum regardless of how you entered the country how is THAT NOT following the law?
1
Reply
7,050
normalfreak2 let's keep in mind these people aren't seeking Asylum but that's just the word they use
0
Reply
Male 2,468
dm2754 actually, they are pursuing the asylum process - because that requires the US to accept them while it processes the request.

Apparently the basis of these people’s asylum request is classified because nobody seems to know what it is.  Normalfreak2 claimed he didn’t know what it was in a reply below and the media isn’t sharing a reason.

I don’t know what their endgame is - the probability they have a legitimate asylum request is low.  Whoever is orchestrating this is a master strategist.
1
Reply
Female 6,818
normalfreak2 By storming the gates and assaulting the border patrol?  THAT's how you ask  for asylum? 
-2
Reply
Male 9,692
melcervini

Again most of these people have already tried to come in through the port of entry but are being denied entry, IE they can't even get over the bridge they are being stopped on Mexico's side, there's no reason they should be denied to come in through the gate and then declare asylum. The law clearly states they can declare asylum any way they can get into the United States.  That doesn't mean that those that are assaulting shouldn't be prosecuted. There are thousands of people there that have NO ABILITY TO declare asylum here.  That's the problem.

You are painting them all as invaders when again 20-30 of them that were arrested were the culprits.  Somehow that makes the Thousands that are there culpable for the 20-30?  Are we projecting much?
3
Reply
Male 2,468
normalfreak2 so these tens of thousands of women and children fear persecution in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador? 

The argument being propagated on this website is essentially that the US destabilized their government causing strife and abject poverty therefore the US owes them entry.  At least that’s what I’m taking away from it. 

That is a legitimate argument.  But what does that have to do with asylum?  There is no case for economic asylum - asylum is  based on fear of persecution.

"Asylum has two basic requirements. First, an asylum applicant must establish that he or she fears persecution in their home country.[4] Second, the applicant must prove that he or she would be persecuted on account of one of five protected grounds: race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or particular social group.[5]
-1
Reply
Male 9,692
woodyville06 so these tens of thousands of women and children fear persecution in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador?  


I don't know, That's why we have asylum laws and procedure for them entering the United States to declare asylum.  Whether or not they are accepted on Asylum grounds is not our decision to make, we have a segment of our Government that is responsible for this.  Not letting them in violates the law and treaties the United States has written.  If we don't like the laws we need to rewrite them, but NOT ENFORCING them is stupid.  How can one claim to be PRO law and order if they won't obey the law.
0
Reply
Male 2,468
normalfreak2 your last two sentences seem to be parroted from the conservative argument that immigrants follow the legal route for immigration.  

The strategy for this shitshow is becoming clearer.
0
Reply
Male 2,254
woodyville06 Yup. It was clear from the start, but backfired on the Democrats (& leftist supporters who funded and organized it in the first place) probably costing them the Senate. 
People are not that stupid: they see a circus? They say "Hey look, a circus" eh? They don't imagine wild animals and clowns escaped from the zoo or something...
They see fake refugees, just like in Europe the past few years? they say "Hell, lets get a border wall built asap!" (Too bad the RINOs didn't let that happen while they had the power to do so).
0
Reply
Male 9,692
woodyville06 I purposely used that phrase because it's one Conservatives CONSTANTLY use when they want to use it.  I find it funny that the Conservatives now don't want to obey the law.  My wording was completely purposeful.
0
Reply
Male 2,254
woodyville06 Correct: making more money or going on welfare is not listed as a valid reason for asylum. The 'their homelands were ruined by the USA' is an old dead horse the leftists have been flogging since the Cuban revolution... There's no denial that the US poked their nose (and fist) into these nation's business, but that's quite a long time ago, and plenty of other nations had the same or far worse from USA, USSR or China...

It is being reported that not one 'asylum seeker' actually sought legal asylum: they just tried to push through fencing and rampage on US soil... but got arrested instead.
-1
Reply
Male 2,254
normalfreak2 #1 America (or Canada) has no responsibility to allow them un-obstructed entry. They have no more rights than any other border-crosser.
#2 They cannot 'apply for refugee status' if they are already inside a safe nation: ie: Mexico or the USA (for the Canada border-jumpers). Also if they are economic refugees? That doesn't cut it.

They are invaders, plain and simple: they said from the start the US border & US laws is not something they will obey, US citizenship belongs to them. That's an invasion.
-1
Reply
171
normalfreak2 Thanks for explaining this calmly. I seriously don't know how you keep your composure while people just make garbage up and spew hate.

As a Canadian I am blown away how ignorant Americans are to their immigration laws, and how they just bow to the word of a president who literally lies on a daily basis.

I applaud you for keeping it going and trying to bring some truth to this sea of hate, lies and lack of compassion. 
2
Reply
Male 2,793
melcervini   I could not have said it better.
  This problem has been growing for 20 or 30 years and has been ignored by both sides of the political fence.  Now with the left is vocalizing sympathy, and disregard for the law, it is only encouraging them to bigger and bigger attempts to cross. 
  This will not end well for us or them its going to take real pain to end this.
2
Reply
171
casaledana 


Stop consuming propaganda. See STEP BLOODY ONE! This isn't illegal in any way. These aren't illegals. 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/10/raul-labrador/no-immigrants-cannot-apply-asylum-us-embassies-or-/
0
Reply
Male 967
My solution for illegal immigration is to make it legal.

Assign them a number, collection all their information, tell them the minimum wage, and that if anyone offers them less then that they should call a certain phone number for a reward.  (Obviously needs lots of details.)

Everyone working for the same wage means "they are taking our jobs" really indicates "they work harder then me."

They don't get all the benefits that natives do until they stay X amount of time, then they can apply to naturalize.

Immigration and flow of people is good for us.  
0
Reply
171
muert This isn't illegal immigration. It's legal for these people to come into the country. In fact, it is necessary that they do or they can't apply for asylum. 
-1
Reply
Male 2,468
todd_dirks you really need to get off the asylum bandwagon.  That is not an acceptable means to gain entry in to the US when the real reason is economic opportunity.


-1
Reply
Male 967
todd_dirks You know that.  I know that.  My point is just let them in. (Like they should be doing anyway.
0
Reply
Male 2,254
muert So let 10s of millions into the USA without so much as asking for ID? Yeah that's a great idea! That's 10s of millions every single year btw, not total over time...
-1
Reply
Male 967
gohikineko Did you read the part about collecting all their information?
1
Reply
Male 2,254
muert Collect it... and let them in disregardless: Even if they have NO information they waltz right in... THAT is what open borders is all about. If you start demanding they have legitimate ID? You're a fascist just like me :-) Welcome to the club! Lolz!

What you propose isn't that bad an idea, except for letting tens of millions cross freely and then trying to sort them out after the fact. You think they'll all get jobs, presto! and places to live, magically? Some might, but most will have nearly zero job skills and thus go on the welfare, probably for life.

And what will you do if Juanita can't find a job fast enough? Throw her out? How is she supposed to survive until her first paycheque? Where will she live?
ICE cannot control them already, adding millions more illegals would just make it even more impossible... and many Democrat cities actively & openly disobey the law, they won't follow your rules either. Just pointing that out.
0
Reply
Male 10,075
muert I think I like what you're saying. But what about limits? Wouldn't you agree that there's a limit to how many poor immigrants a country can absorb in a given year or decade? (I have no idea where we are in terms of quantities of immigrants, particularly in comparison to other countries and our own past; someone ought to find those numbers and post them on this board.)

Follow-up question: What do you do if those limits are reached and a wave of more immigrants starts to rush the border?
0
Reply
Male 9,625
squrlz4ever   someone ought to find those numbers and post them

Yeah, won't that be fun?

 a wave of more immigrants starts to rush the border?

Once you have done with the tear gas all you have left is machine guns. At that point you have to choose.
-1
Reply
Male 2,254
LordJim Refugee camps in Alaska, or North Dakota anyhow... see how many try to cross if they know they'll spend 6 months in the frozen north... 
If they were genuine refugees? they will still cross, but they are already turning back because many (if not most) are fakes.
-1
Reply
Male 10,075
LordJim Not sure what you seem to be so hostile about, frankly.

I'd like to find that info; unfortunately, I'm prepping for a trip and coming on here in brief snatches of time between tasks. I don't have time to research it. Not at all sure what the "won't that be fun?" remark is meant to mean.

Also, I'm not sure what your last sentence means. Are you suggesting this is a black-and-white issue? Either have no border security at all or massacre millions of people with machine guns? You don't see any possibility of something between those extremes?
0
Reply
Male 2,468
squrlz4ever There are a couple of posters on the pro immigration side who are insensed when anyone opposes their view.  They immediately claim the opposing parties ignorance to immigration laws, racism and support for imperialism and regional destabilization etc.

It’s “either for us or against us” mentality and the added insults in their posts are making this a non-productive discussion.
0
Reply
Male 10,075
woodyville06 Yeah, you're not kidding. I'm a Bernie Sanders liberal, a Democratic Socialist who's lived in Finland and think it's criminal that the United States doesn't have national healthcare and free or heavily-subsidized higher education and a maximum wage (yes, you read that correctly: a maximum wage).

I've lived abroad, am blessed to hang with a fairly international crowd, and love foreign cultures.

I have been very closely associated for years with someone who has received political asylum from the U.S. Government. I worked with her and her immigration attorney throughout the three-year process. I would guess I have more first-paw experience with the process of applying for and successfully obtaining political asylum (and eventually a green card) than 98% of the people yammering away on this board telling me I need to get educated on the subject. Huh. Imagine that. 

Just because I didn't come onto this board ready to lynch the U.S Border Patrol and do away with any forms of border security -- "COME ON IN! FREE GREEN CARDS FOR EVERYONE WHO THROWS A BOTTLE OR A ROCK!" -- people seem eager to tell me how much of a right-wing fanatic I am.

This kind of nastiness makes intelligent discussion all but impossible.
0
Reply
Male 2,468
squrlz4ever you are a kindhearted and worldly squirrel:)
0
Reply
Male 10,075
woodyville06 Well, thanks. I'm not sure I did much more than most others would have done. And I've always been glad I made the effort. It was probably one of the better things I've done in terms of having a positive influence on someone's life. In the grand scheme of things, I'm hoping that offsets some of my more stupid actions.
0
Reply
171
squrlz4ever You should educate yourself on your immigration and refugee laws before going off like the typical right wing fanatic.

There's as much evidence to suggest that border agents attempted to get them to rush and do something illegal as there is that WAVE AFTER WAVE invaded the country.... Wave after wave of babies in diapers? For people that use the term snowflake to describe their enemies, you guys really are terrified of women and children running barefoot...


These are not illegals. They are perfectly legal to enter the country and MUST do so to apply for asylum. 

You've been suckling off Trump's propaganda tit for a little too long now, and you've lost your way. Canadians shouldn't be teaching you about your own laws...
-1
Reply
Male 10,075
todd_dirks I literally LOL'ed at your comment when you wrote "like the typical right-wing fanatic."

You're new around here, I take it?

Anyone who's been on IAB for any length of time, and knows my position on a myriad issues, is probably shaking his or her head at your comment.

I'll give you this much: You've perfected the technique of acting like a jerk and offending both conservatives and liberals both. So, go you!
0
Reply
Male 9,625
squrlz4ever  You don't see any possibility of something between those extremes? 

Doesn't matter what I see, I'm not making policy; I'm just seeing it.
-1
Reply
Male 9,625
squrlz4ever  massacre millions of people with machine guns?

Not millions. Dozens, maybe hundreds. All justified, because rocks were thrown at the most heavily armed and protected troops the planet has ever known.

I think that could happen it would get support.
-1
Reply
Male 9,625
squrlz4ever Hostile? Me? No. Enjoy your trip. You have better things to do than chat with me.
-1
Reply
Male 10,075
LordJim I like chatting with people on here, particularly smart people like yourself (meant genuinely). I was just puzzled by the tone and not sure if I was reading your comment correctly.

Anyway, thanks for the well wishes on the trip. Bleah. I really hate long drives.
1
Reply
Male 9,625
squrlz4ever Seriously wasn't looking to be hostile. There is just something about the misfortunate and dispossesed being treated as an infestation which makes me a bit grumpy. Not you, but there is a tone which get my back up. 
0
Reply
Male 9,625
squrlz4ever Well, sometimes one aims for ambiguous. Bon voyage.
0
Reply
Male 7,614
squrlz4ever  When the limits are reached?
I have   recipies   
2
Reply
Male 10,075
thezigrat Well, I was kind of looking for a solution that didn't involve eating them. But I do appreciate the input, Zig. :)
0
Reply
Male 13,432
muert absolutely. It's also the only way to make social security work. We need to import people of working age.

It's always funny to hear the right: 

"it isn't because they are Hispanic its because it is illegal." 

"Ok, then let's make it legal for them to come here."

"Well still no but now it's harder to say it without sounding racist."
-2
Reply
171
holygod I like how they just hit the negative, but can't respond. In my country we absolutely depend on immigrants to survive. We do not replace our own population, and require them, but we get the same non-stop garbage propaganda being spewed about illegals crossing. 

I think the thing I hate most about the right is just how successful they have been reducing this to an immigration argument. It's not. It's an asylum argument. These people are legal, but even smart people keep saying illegal. Thus justifies violence toward them. 

And prevents us from engaging in important conversations like why are they being illegally blocked and turned around so they can't obey the law and come through so they can apply in a legal fashion, forcing them to avoid lawful methods out of desperation, and again, justifying violence.
1
Reply
Male 10,075
Not a bad video clip at all. Frankly, I thought good points were made by both sides. I wasn't expecting to say that as I've seen a lot of horrible Fox News commentary, but I didn't see the Fox hosts say anything terrible here.
1
Reply
Male 7,520
You would be hard pressed to find better propaganda for use by terrorists.
1
Reply
Male 2,850
Nobody is laughing.  But if you join in with a crowd of 1000 people throwing rocks, destroying property and trying to enter this country unlawfully don't be surprised when you get a snoot full of tear gas.  So for all of you people OK with people jumping the border can they stay with you?  I'm sure you'll have no problem if they knock down your fence and come in your house right?
0
Reply
Male 13,432
dromed nobody is laughing? Saying they should put pepper spray and tear gas on their nachos?
1
Reply
Male 10,075
holygod Did someone say that on this video? That's a neutral question, by the way, not a snarky one. If so, I missed it. Where's that quote from?
0
Reply
Male 10,075
holygod Thanks, man. I appreciate the link.
0
Reply
Male 4,559
squrlz4ever You appreciate pepper spray and tear gas on your nachos? I guess people have different tolerances for spicy...


Joking, obviously.
0
Reply
Male 7,520
dromed You sure?

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-tomi-lahren-migrants-tear-gas-thanksgiving-1231582

If I had all the resources of the US and the only thing i could do was to use tear gas on children, then I would be the dumbass.
0
Reply
Male 2,793
daegog   Well we could build a fence and tell them to come to the gate and we will look at you and decide if we want to let you in, if you have a real need or well we will let in so many just because we can use some new blood. 
   Oh ya thats right thats what we did and well there running around the sides of the fence and just jumping over it. At the rate of about 25,000 per month, of which about 6,000 per month are unaccompanied children. And those are just the ones we catch. 
     So what's your next Idea?    rubber bullets
  Oh ya, I know, let's just let them in willy nilly and hope for the best.
 
-2
Reply
Male 13,432
casaledana "let them in" like they are rabid dogs. They are people. They are no better or worse than you.
0
Reply
171
casaledana Or you could obey the law and let them come into the country as your own laws allow for asylum seekers...

0
Reply
Male 4
Oh and make sure you go to Snopes.com and read how many time (other presidents) B.O. used teargas at the border.
-1
Reply
Male 13,432
widget3d uh huh. Good talking point. Does that show there were children present?
-2
Reply
Male 2,254
holygod Yes in fact it was reported at the time:
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/26/local/la-me-border-skirmish-20131127

Obama used tear gas about 1x a month for his 8 years, and pepper spray a whole lot more. Even gunfire at times. (linked above)
Note that this crowd was about 100, not 5000, but it was A-OK for Obama's border agents to use teargas on "women and children", the MSM and leftists said not one contrary word about it. How does that work?
0
Reply
Male 2,345
holygod That was a Sarah Huckabee Sanders talking point. Widget is just repeating it.
0
Reply
Male 2,254
semichisam01 And it's a fact. You have real problems with facts it seems...
-1
Reply
Male 2,345
widget3d Are you claiming that anything done by U.S. Government agents during the Obama administration must be morally right?
0
Reply
171
semichisam01 Are you claiming that it is wrong? Because I think you just did. And that is sort of the point. Maybe this is just being brought to the public eye now, and the good ones are horrified. The morally bankrupt are cheering from the rooftops.
0
Reply
Male 2,345
todd_dirks If you read my comment carefully, you will see that it is a question, not a claim. You're welcome to answer it, if you like.
0
Reply
171
semichisam01 it is wrong. That is the answer. It's wrong if they throw rocks. They were in Mexico, being illegally blocked from fully legal entry in to the country where they can apply for asylum.

I don't know the specifics on the Obama issues. But if they were illegally blocking entry for asylum seekers, then shot at women and children with tear gas to make them more angry and hope to get fuel for right-wing hate, yes, they were insanely wrong and violating the rights of asylum seekers.
0
Reply
Male 2,345
todd_dirks At this point, we know only what we have been told.
There are some assumptions behind your conclusions, but if those assumptions are correct, I can't argue with you.
0
Reply
Male 4
Men who use Women and Children as Human Shields are the problem. 
3
Reply
171
widget3d 


Border guards not allowing people seeking asylum the legal way are the problem.
0
Reply