Christopher Hitchens Revises The Ten Commandments

Submitted by: littlemissqt 1 month ago in Misc


Time for a revision?
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Male 45,690
I live by only one commandment. 
"Do  not harm others without just cause." 
Pretty much covers all the important stuff, and if you're not harming anyone do what you want.
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Male 942
Gerry1of1 If you limit yourself to that, what good do you do?
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Male 45,690
7eggert First, I don't see the relevance of your question. None of the 10 commandmants require or encourage anyone to do good, so why expect my one to do that?


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Gerry1of1 Marc 12:
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

Exodus 23:
Laws of Justice and Mercy

23 “Do not spread false reports. Do not help a guilty person by being a malicious witness.

2 “Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd, 3 and do not show favoritism to a poor person in a lawsuit.

4 “If you come across your enemy’s ox or donkey wandering off, be sure to return it. 5 If you see the donkey of someone who hates you fallen down under its load, do not leave it there; be sure you help them with it.

6 “Do not deny justice to your poor people in their lawsuits. 7 Have nothing to do with a false charge and do not put an innocent or honest person to death, for I will not acquit the guilty.

8 “Do not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds those who see and twists the words of the innocent.

9 “Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt.

Leviticus 19
3 “‘Each of you must respect your mother and father, and you must observe my Sabbaths. I am the Lord your God.

4 “‘Do not turn to idols or make metal gods for yourselves. I am the Lord your God.

5 “‘When you sacrifice a fellowship offering to the Lord, sacrifice it in such a way that it will be accepted on your behalf. 6 It shall be eaten on the day you sacrifice it or on the next day; anything left over until the third day must be burned up. 7 If any of it is eaten on the third day, it is impure and will not be accepted. 8 Whoever eats it will be held responsible because they have desecrated what is holy to the Lord; they must be cut off from their people.

9 “‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. 10 Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am the Lord your God.

11 “‘Do not steal.

“‘Do not lie.

“‘Do not deceive one another.

12 “‘Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

13 “‘Do not defraud or rob your neighbor.

“‘Do not hold back the wages of a hired worker overnight.

14 “‘Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the Lord.

15 “‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.

16 “‘Do not go about spreading slander among your people.

“‘Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord.

17 “‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite* in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.

* other translation: brother

18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

19 “‘Keep my decrees.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

20 “‘If a man sleeps with a female slave who is promised to another man but who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment.[a] Yet they are not to be put to death, because she had not been freed. 21 The man, however, must bring a ram to the entrance to the tent of meeting for a guilt offering to the Lord. 22 With the ram of the guilt offering the priest is to make atonement for him before the Lord for the sin he has committed, and his sin will be forgiven.

23 “‘When you enter the land and plant any kind of fruit tree, regard its fruit as forbidden.[b] For three years you are to consider it forbidden[c]; it must not be eaten. 24 In the fourth year all its fruit will be holy, an offering of praise to the Lord. 25 But in the fifth year you may eat its fruit. In this way your harvest will be increased. I am the Lord your God.

26 “‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it.

“‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

28 “‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.

29 “‘Do not degrade your daughter by making her a prostitute, or the land will turn to prostitution and be filled with wickedness.

30 “‘Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the Lord.

31 “‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.

32 “‘Stand up in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the Lord.

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

35 “‘Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity. 36 Use honest scales and honest weights, an honest ephah[d] and an honest hin.[e] I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt.

37 “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’”
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Male 45,690
7eggert 
" If you limit yourself to that, what good do you do "
The inference there is that if one does not follow your god one cannot do good works. 

If that's incorrect, but it's your statement....  so . .. .
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Male 45,690
7eggert   I didn't say the Bible didn't tell people to do good works... I said the 10 Commandments  didn't . And doesn't.
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Male 942
Gerry1of1 If you reduce yourself to ten or seven commandments (of Noah), or if you accumulate sixhundredidonttcare in the Mishnah, you'll just avoid doing bad ... sometimes you do. But reading the Talmud, I get the impression it's also about weaseling out of commandments.
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Male 846
If a person is trying to be good in this life because there is a reward at the end for it... Then maybe they weren't that good to begin with.

Be good because it is worth being. Whatever happens after that? That's either everything or nothingness. But it doesn't change who you were now. It doesn't change who you were today.

Be good.
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Male 9,383
profworm Morality is doing what is right when no-one is watching.
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Male 897
How is dead Christopher Hitchens more productive than me?
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Male 4,069
11th commandment - comb your fucking hair, you slob.
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Male 13,429
not very good, as expected. Empty.
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Male 913
monkwarrior I'm gunna have to agree with you. While I think the 10 commandments are arbitrary, this video is capricious and naive to the actual beliefs of religious persons.
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Male 2,239
toetagmodel2 "this video is capricious and naive to the actual beliefs of religious persons."

I can't award you any points for noticing that this video was made to amuse, rather than to instruct. I assume that is what you meant by your misuse of the word 'capricious'. (I can't think that you believe that a prewritten and rehearsed performance is 'impulsive' or that Hitchens was 'unpredictable', the definitions of 'capricious'.)

Hitchens was familiar enough with the professed beliefs of religious persons to understand that they varied so widely among the many different religions and even within each religion, that they could not be taken to have any one meaning. It is the actual multiplicity of beliefs of religious persons that seems capricious.
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Male 13,289
semichisam01 Ya I'm not sure what word he was grasping for. Rapacious maybe? Credulous? 

Here's a good rule: If you want to try to use SAT words on the internet, make sure you know what they actually mean or you just come off as stupid.
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Male 942
holygod I think he means inconsistent. Various people will lay various weight on individual laws and also vary depending on each case. That's exactly what everybody does on every law and every system of morals.

If the Hitchen's laws were to be implemented into a terminator cyborg designed to protect Sarah Conner, the most dangerous enemy would be  a child with a spray can.
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Male 1,094
monkwarrior I always found Hitchens to be very poor at everything the athiests thought he was good at.  He rambled on, avoided questions and points, and rarely had anything all that intelligent to say for himself.  Having said that, I always found myself hoping that maybe someday, on his deathbed, maybe, he would come to realize a greater truth.  
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Male 2,239
cjeffblanchr "I always found Hitchens to be very poor at everything the athiests thought he was good at."
Hitchens was a war correspondent, as well as an award-winning essayist and journalist. His debating skills were not much better than those of other intelligent graduates of Balliol College at Oxford, but far superior to those of most of his opponents. 
The best educated proponents of religion wanted to debate him because being defeated by him was no great dishonor, but defeating him at debate would carry considerable cachet.
It is true that he sometimes simply refused to answer a question that he considered not worth an answer. As he said, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
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Male 1,094
semichisam01 That's kinda just a scapegoat response though, in the framework of a debate.  If something's not worth an answer then he should be engaging in the debate.
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Male 2,239
cjeffblanchr "That's kinda just a scapegoat response though, in the framework of a debate.  If something's not worth an answer then he should be engaging in the debate."

I reprinted your whole comment, because it doesn't seem to make sense, which couldn't be your intent, and I'm hoping that you'll see the problem if it's repeated.
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Male 1,094
semichisam01 Yes, I mean that he should NOT be engaging in a debate if he doesn't feel like the questions are worth answering.
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Male 2,239
cjeffblanchr "he should NOT be engaging in a debate if he doesn't feel like the questions are worth answering."
Okay, must have been a typo.
I would not disagree with that statement, but we've managed to conflate two different things. In any formal debate, Hitchens, like anyone trained in debate, would happily argue against any point from the opposition. In informal sessions of questions from the audience, he would often refuse to consider a question that he felt was so uninformed or confused that no useful answer was possible. 
Since we all think our questions are important, and fools never know that they are fools, this did not help his reputation among the general public.
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Male 9,383
cjeffblanchr One of the many things I admired about Hitchens was that he never claimed he wanted to persuade. If he thought you were wrong he would say to your face and fuck you if you didn't like it. He did get beaten up by neo-nazis  on account of that attitude but it didn't bother him. If you said something stupid to him he was not forbearing. 
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Male 9,383
cjeffblanchr About 25 years ago one of my closest friends was dying of cancer ( "First of the gang to die" ). He was amicably divorced and his ex-wife, to her credit, tended to him. But she brought in her friends with their crystals and bells. While he was strong enough he threw them out the window ( the crystals, not the friends) but as well as being a bit of a hippy she was a catholic and begged him to take communion with a priest. He refused. She asked, "What do you have to lose?". He replied " My last shred of fucking dignity."

He died a few hours later. As a man.
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Male 1,166
LordJim That's how I would like to think I'll be in my last days, strong enough of will to retain my principles and sensibilities to my dying breath.
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Male 1,094
LordJim Isn't that pretty close to Hitchens' story too?

My comment was to monkwarrior (not saying other's shouldn't read it or reply), who is someone I know has some of the same beliefs as myself.  But outside of that, I think it is all kind of relative to what one considers to be dignified.  For an atheist, of course dignity is defined as not giving in to what he believes to be nonsense.  To a Christian there would be nothing more dignified than accepting one's own flaws and submitting to our creator, even moments before death.
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Male 2,239
cjeffblanchr "I think it is all kind of relative to what one considers to be dignified."
I am surprised at the downvotes for this comment. It's difficult for me to imagine how the most rabid atheist or theist could find it anything but respectful and thoughtful.
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Male 1,094
semichisam01 There seems to be those on IAB who use the up/down vote system just to display how they like or dislike someone else.  Doesn't matter to me, though.  It's a silly system.

I do try to be respectful.
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Male 1,166
cjeffblanchr And again we see the arrogance of religion that many of "the faithful" seem to demonstrate. Assuming to know what the "atheists" think, as if everyone who rejects god is the same, and the nonsensical premise that people will see "the truth" (whatever the hell that's meant to be) when confronted with death.
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Male 1,094
mrteatime I don't think it is arrogance to simply follow one's belief.  And it certainly is no more arrogant than the atheist who presumes to know the mind of the Christian, thinking them to be deluded fools.
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Male 1,166
cjeffblanchr It is arrogant to think others are wrong in their lack of belief and expect them to come round to your way of thinking in the most desperate of situations. Essentially you are saying that atheists are wrong and should believe in god. 

I do think religion is delusional, the lack of evidence for it is lacking to the point of complete absence. However I say fair play to you, if it gives you comfort and hope so be it, I don't have the expectation that you should change to my way of thinking.
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Male 1,094
mrteatime Yet many atheists do.  It is just as arrogant for them to expect everyone to come around to their way of thinking.  They are saying that theists are wrong and should not believe in God.  It works both ways.

I agree that most religion (as in Bible thumpers and jihadists) is usually delusional.  But that's not the same a belief in a creator being delusional.  Only through a naturalistic worldview is evidence interpreted to mean that there just can't possibly be a creator.  And naturalism is not the only valid worldview out there.  To say that it is would be entirely delusional.
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Male 1,166
cjeffblanchr Certainly some atheists are completely dismissive and a bit too quick to condemn in the same way some religious types can be. I admit myself to being entirely dismissive of religion however I do support your right to believe in what you want and I think most atheists would have similar views. 

To bring in your second point, I don't think an evidence or nature based viewpoint has to completely dismiss a creator figure. After all, science can only see back so far and the idea of a creator can't be totally dismissed, albeit nothing to do with any religious explanation of creation.
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Male 1,094
mrteatime I was thinking more along the lines of naturalistic humanism, and being of the belief that there is nothing beyond science and that a creator just can't exist.  But that's not exactly how I said it; so, my mistake.


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Male 13,289
cjeffblanchr Which greater truth? That a plurality of humans willingly participate in some shared mass delusion because a collection of ridiculous bronze age folk tales are less scary than reality?
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Male 1,094
holygod The greater truth as I believe it to be.  Everything else you said is just your opinion.
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Male 13,289
cjeffblanchr There you go. See, you missed that key phrase the first time: AS I BELIEVE IT TO BE. Believe whatever you want. Believe in the Easter bunny for all I care. Just understand that it is simply a belief. When you start talking with certainty you come off as a jackass like monk and you're better than that.
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Male 1,094
holygod I talked with certainty only in the context of a response to someone whom I agree with.  You're trying (and failing) to twist words.  

I never claimed it was anything but a belief, and you know this good and well from the discussions that we've had before.

If you think I come off as a jackass when I talk certainty, you ought to see how your own comments come across.
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Male 13,289
cjeffblanchr my comments only come across like that to people who believe in fairy tales. I'm OK with that.
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Male 13,429
holygod The truth you will find out someday:  God is real.
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Male 9,383
monkwarrior Oh, I'm sure that among your many other talents you could have taken down Hitchens in a debate.
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Male 13,429
LordJim we'll never know
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Male 2,239
monkwarrior I'm pretty sure you could have left him unwilling to answer.
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Male 13,429
semichisam01 only God could say.
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Male 9,383
monkwarrior I'm reasonably sure about it.
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Male 942
holygod Why believe in God?

Because you are not the one man who, after a life of study, can claim to be good without presuming an entity watching his deeds.

Because by doing so, you will find your reward.

But be warned, it's not as easy as thinking the picture on that wall will come alive and grant you a Mercedes Benz.
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Male 13,429
holygod  Personal incredulity. Because the answer to why believe in God is: God is real and we can have a relationship with Him. The bible gives us lessons and procedures to understand and find his way, as billions will report.
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Male 942
monkwarrior Those who have not yet seen the light will be unable to grasp your words. All they can see is the hell of emptiness, of being far from God.

If you've been in the cave, watched shadows of things dancing on the wall, if you turn around and see the light, it may blind you. So be careful in what you reveal, or they will avert their eyes and see nothing.
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Male 7,329
monkwarrior Did you ever see the movie "A Beautiful Mind"

About John Nash, crazy bastard had relationships with delusions that lasted decades.  
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Male 13,429
daegog Did you ever see The Case for Christ?  It's about a man named Lee Strobel who thought his wife was delusional, and set out to prove it, but it turned out he was wrong all along.
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Male 2,239
monkwarrior "...thought his wife was delusional, and set out to prove it, but it turned out he was wrong all along."
All of us married men can relate to that.
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Male 1,094
LordJim His abilty to debate has nothing to do with whether he is right or not.
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There's no point in revising them they just need to be abandoned entirely
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Male 13,289
The ten commandments are dumb as fuck, and anyone who thinks otherwise is dumb as fuck.
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Male 13,429
holygod you know, your comment speaks volumes about you, and it's not good, right?
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Male 1,094
holygod I would assume that you don't really think they're all dumb, do you?  
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Male 13,289
cjeffblanchr All the people or all the commandments?
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Male 1,094
holygod Commandments.  Or both, really.
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Male 13,289
cjeffblanchr Are you actually asking me if I think the rules of don't kill and don't steal are dumb? Come on. I'm talking about the body of work as a whole. They are fucking ridiculous. 

Let me break it down for you as if it weren't obvious to anyone with a brain:

1. No other gods before me
Just stroking god's ego. Says a LOT about him that this is number one.
Dumb as fuck

2. No graven images
Stroking god's ego again.
Dumb as fuck

3. Lord's name in vain
Wow this guy has an ego.
Dumb as fuck

4. The sabbath
Dumb as fuck

5. Honor thy mother and father
Nice little suggestion, but certainly not a top ten rule
Dumb as fuck

6. Don't kill
Takes a long time to get to an actual rule that makes sense
No shit

7. Adultery
Nice little suggestion again, but certainly not a top ten rule
Dumb as fuck

8. Don't steal
Hey, another good rule
No shit

9. Don't bear false witness
Not sure this should make the top 10, but I'll give it a pass
No shit

10. Covet
Thought crime?
Dumb as fuck

So we have 7 dumb as fucks and 3 no shits.

If you can look at a list of the most important rules from the creator that doesn't include rape, assault, enslavement, child molestation, etc, but DOES include don't say gods name in a not nice way and don't work on Saturday without think it is dumb, then YES, I think you are dumb as fuck, and I mean that with all my heart.
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Male 942
holygod 1) You can't sacrifice your Child to Moloch, then expect to be righteous before God. How do you expect to?

If you follow one master, the other one will be displeased, so one of them will be your doom.

2) Of what shall this image be, in which way do you intend to belittle a God?

When Michelangelo drew God, it was (said to be) an image of himself, so everybody would know not to worship that.

"Deut. 4: 15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven."

3) If I'd say: "In the name of God, kill that man", that would be a sin. If I'd say: "In the name of God, you shall wear pink undies today" - that would be ridiculous. What would you think of a God giving His name for this or that?

4) A day not to be a working slave - how ridiculous?

5) What would you put in instead?

7) How many bastards you you care for by now? And how many times did she bring home a little chlamydia?

9) If you are before a judge, falsely accused, you will see, it's not less important than not murdering nor stealing.

10) A thought bearing the deed if you keep having it, for one day you will succumb to your envies. More likely, you will take many opportunities to gain it or to make him lose it.

Anyway, you will be dissatisfied with what you have, so tell me is it good to be envious? No, it's part of the little hell you create on earth just for yourself.
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Male 9,383
holygod The sabbath is actually quite a good idea. Servants, slaves and animals get a day off. 
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Male 1,094
holygod Firstly, you said, "The ten commandments are dumb as fuck", not "Seven of the ten commandments are dumb as fuck."  But that's beside the point.

Only from a Godless perspective, and one entirely out of the context of when and why the commandments were made, could 1-4 be considered stupid.  If in fact there is a God who is the one and only God and who is the creator of everything, these are far from egotistical.  Within the framework of the religion, it absolutely makes sense that such a God would want his people to stay on the path toward himself rather than on destructive false gods.

As to the rest, if there is no God, no higher power, no afterlife, then none of it matters anyway.  Right and wrong don't matter.  We all end up as nothing.  Maybe morality would come into being even if there was no God, but it wouldn't be objective, and it wouldn't matter in the end.  Likewise, if this is so, then neither are your other issues (rape, assault, and so on) significant either.  There is not objective morality without a law giver, because everything is subjective.

As for why the list didn't include such things, again, you're looking at it all out of context and out of the time frame and reason for which it was written.  But you won't ever even try to understand that--much less believe it.  You are so entrenched in your anti-god sentiments that the only defense you have is insulting people who believe differently than yourself.

Maybe you don't realize it, but saying "You're dumb" is probably the best way in any discussion to show yourself to be entirely uneducated on the matter, because insults are the only leg you have to stand on.  
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Male 9,383
cjeffblanchr if there is no God, no higher power, no afterlife, then none of it matters anyway. 

Matters to me. Today. In the life I live. That's enough.
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Male 942
LordJim Why does it matter to you? Why don't you just kill if you don' get caught and if the profit seems adequate? And if you do get caught, just kill yourself, too - you said you're OK with that …
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Male 9,383
7eggert Kill who and for what reason? I have no inclination to kill anyone. Do you? Is fear of post-mortem punishment stopping you? In which case please keep believing.

Kill myself? Again, why? I'm having fun and have plans for next year. Suicide is a perfectly reasonable option some circumstances, but I ain't in those circumstances yet.
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Male 942
LordJim Maybe it would one day be convenient to have somebody out of your way. A child doesn't like his teacher, and daddy got a gun. A man got caught speeding in the desert, but he had a gun and the officer was too slow. A wive didn't like her nagging husband. …

Killing yourself would be the option if you get caught. It's not unheard of. (In fact, one of my friends got caught stealing from his mother, so he tried to kill himself.)
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Male 9,383
7eggert You must surely be aware that secular countries have notably lower rates of violence than religious ones? 

As far as I can see you are asserting that humans need a fear of divine punishment to prevent them from indulging in homicidal violence. The evidence is against you. 

Here's an idea; make a list of the 10 most religious countries in the world ( limit it to Christianity, if you wish ) and the ten least. Compare not just crime rates but other standard social indicators. Even before you start you know perfectly well what you will find.

( This friend of yours, was he an atheist? )
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Male 942
LordJim I did a chart now, with limited data: Europe is mild-mannered, while Russia and ex-Russian countries as well as the USA are violent and religious. Africa does not seem to be included in my data.

http://7eggert.selfhost.bz/tmp/Atheisten.pdf
http://7eggert.selfhost.bz/tmp/Atheisten.ods

(I didn't ask him about religion ever)
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Male 1,094
LordJim I mean ultimately it really means nothing. Sure, on a personal level it mean something to us, while we live.  But at the end of the day the end is the same.  Oblivion.
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Male 9,383
cjeffblanchr I'm fine with oblivion. You'll hear no complaints from me. Seriously, life has been pretty good to me, it would be greedy to ask for more. Satis. I can see the attraction for those who have had scant and miserable lives, but wishing don't make it so.

But what about the eternal torment? Has that gone out of fashion? Has your particular branch abandoned the concept of Hell for unbelievers?
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LordJim It might seem strange, but I'm okay with oblivion as well.  If I am wrong, and there is nothing more beyond this life, then it is just eternal, mindless sleep, and that's fine.

Really, I see three possibilities--oblivion, 'heaven' or 'hell'.  Two of those three are fine by me.  Speaking from a traditional Christian perspective, heaven is the best choice.  Oblivion doesn't seem so bad either.  As for eternal torment... well, I wouldn't consider myself to be part of any 'particular branch', as you put it.  I am not a subscriber to organized religion, and I form my opinions and beliefs not on what a preacher or others tell, but from what I read and understand.

I do not believe the traditional view that hell is a place of eternal torment for unbelievers.  In fact, if any such place does exist, I believe that everyone will have every opportunity both before and after death to avoid it.  I believe it to be a place of separation from God, from goodness and rightness, and that it is something reserved only for those who ultimately choose it.
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Male 2,239
LordJim "But what about the eternal torment? Has that gone out of fashion?"

The Roman Catholic Church invented Hell to frighten the faithful and then invented Limbo to squeeze protection money out of them. It was a great racket and lasted for centuries. 

Lately, the faithful have gotten a little wary of the protection racket, so the Church just discovered that Limbo doesn't actually exist, and they're reconsidering Hell.

Still, I invite all of you to believe whatever makes you feel safer in an unsafe world, and I hope you can all find reasons for your faith that don't desert you in times of trouble. Like the Church did.
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Male 13,289
LordJim I know right? What a miserable way to live your life, just waiting to die because all of this is just some meaningless test.
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Male 942
holygod If you intend to fail it, the test is meaningless.
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Male 13,289
cjeffblanchr Yes, the ten commandments are dumb as fuck. If I say a movie is dumb as fuck that doesn't necessarily mean that I thought every single bit of it was. I'm talking as a whole.

Only from the perspective that no matter what god does or says you try to justify it and then when you can't you fall into "mysterious ways" or "can't understand his plan" could you think the first 4 are truly worthy of being on a top ten rules list. These are only about ego. 

"Maybe morality would come into being even if there was no God"
Holy shit. You think god invented "don't kill"? Budhists believe you shouldn't kill without believing in god. So do Hindus. So do Scientologists. So do atheists. If you need god to tell you not to kill then you are a fucking sociopath.

Guess what? If what you just said is true than you have no morals. If you are only not killing people because of a reward / punishment system than you are wholly immoral.

Since god didn't give you the rule and according to you rules only matter if god gives them, then why don't you fuck kids? Or rape women? Or do heroin?

Sometimes "you're dumb" is all there is at the end. Some people are completely incapable of having a fact-based debate. Take flat earthers for example. You can discuss the math, the science, the evidence, but if they respond to everything with naivety and conspiracy than all you are left with is that they are dumb. Not coincidentally many flat earthers are also christian. I'm guessing it is because their brain is capable of believing things with no proof whatsoever.


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Male 7,329
holygod Just interjecting a bit.. COVETING, in the way the bible says it, is more like.. plot to steal or plot to kill, rather than just thinking about it and saying, man I sure would like to kill that guy.
Basically conspiracy to commit lol.


And technically the one commandment is not to MURDER, killing is totally fine, as we see god himself kill people constantly.  Although the argument could be made that he murdered folks instead of just killing them.

Something that always bugged me about the first commandment:

You shall have no other gods before me.


Well why not?  This clearly suggests there ARE other gods, what if we like them better?  Why shouldn't we put them first?  Who are these other gods, can we get an introduction and use our free will to choose for ourselves?

Come to think of it, what is the point of free will if you gonna give us all these rules?  I mean if I put a gun to your face and say gimme your wallet, are you really giving me your wallet of your own free will?
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Male 2,239
daegog "Basically conspiracy to commit"
Don't conflate lamach and chamad. And be wary of people who do.
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Male 1,166
I really would have liked to have shared a bottle of whisky with that man. 
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Male 9,383
One my favourite Hitch pieces. Magnificent bastard that he was.
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Male 84
You should change title to "revised'  RIP Christopher Hitchens.

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