Thousands of Swedes Are Getting Microchip IDs Inserted Into Their Hands -- Voluntarily

Submitted by: trimble 1 month ago in Science Tech


SJ Rail, the Swedish train operator, announced that around 100 people were using microchips to pay for their journey.  Commuters with a microchip in their hand are able to have their ticket loaded directly onto the device.

The train conductor can then read the chip with a smartphone to confirm the passenger has paid for their journey. This was one of the most widespread and mainstream uses of the technology and has seen it be adopted by a plethora of forward-thinking companies. 

Microchipping has even been adopted by professional social media platform LinkedI. Szilvia Varszegi, 28, said the chip 'basically solves my problems'. 

Touching an event attendee's smartphone will allow the information to be transferred without the need for typing. 
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Male 9,383
And these micro-chips are made where? China? So we can be confident that there is nothing lurking beneath.
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Male 1,094
Yeah, because it is SO hard for the train conductor to just look at an actual ticket.  
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Female 4
...yeah no. I went to a fundamentalist church for a long time, I know where that's headed. >.<
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6,944
I'm sure there's absolutely no way this will be abused (eye roll)
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Male 13,429
Sounds familiar.. oh yea..

Revelation 13:16-17

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


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Male 1,468
monkwarrior Please teach us more, wise monk! What is that beast that causeth the microchips? 

Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."
Save us from the beast! Tell us what it all means, for apparently we are deceived by miracles. What miracles? What image? Please tell us more! 

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."
I'm so confused. Is the Western Media Delusion, which you love to bring up so much, related to the beast? 
Please enlighten me with Truth! 
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Male 13,429
boredhuman Here's the truth: That attitude will get you deceived.
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Male 1,468
monkwarrior Explain. 
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Male 13,429
boredhuman It would take too long, but i'll point out the key things in your reply and maybe you'll get the drift:

  •  Please teach us more, wise monk
  •  causeth 
  •  Save us from the beast! 
  •  Is the Western Media Delusion, which you love to bring up so much, related to the beast?  

hint it's one word beginning with M
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Male 1,468
monkwarrior Ah, you're speaking in riddles. Let me answer in kind. 
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."
Hint: you're a man, not a God. 
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Male 13,429
boredhuman So learn the lesson.
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Male 1,468
monkwarrior "Here's the truth: That attitude will get you deceived."
Provide Bible verses to support your response. Revelation 13 speaks of deception and miracles - it does not mention attitude at all. 
I'm here to discuss the Bible. I'm interested in your interpretation of the Bible, not your personal opinions of me. Why do you refuse to talk about the Bible?
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Male 13,429
boredhuman there's nothing to explain.  Just read and study more lessons, like:

Proverbs 3:3 He mocks proud mockers but shows favor to the humble and oppressed.

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Male 1,468
monkwarrior Pick a better Bible verse - Proverbs 3:34 does not talk about deception.

Still, let's apply this lesson together! Let's start with your recent comment

"It's difficult to fool me, but i can see this being used to delude a nation again with a lie, like what happened on 9/11." -monkwarrior
Galatians 6:7 "A man reaps what he sows."
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Male 13,429
boredhuman Another verse you should keep in mind.  I know what i'm sowing and reaping, do you?
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Male 1,468
monkwarrior I can only speak to what I see you do on IAB:
You sow doubt - doubt in the media, the government, scientists, and more. When you say that a nation was deluded with a lie, for example, people of that nation do not take kindly to your mockery. The doubt you sow produces anger and you reap ridicule. 

Please, tell me what you think you sow and reap. 

May your God forgive your pride: 
- for habitually presenting your words as the truth, while rarely sharing the Word of God; 
- for boasting (about being difficult to fool, for example)
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Male 13,429
boredhuman that is only a concern for God and myself.  He judges us both.
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Male 1,468
monkwarrior Yes, your sin of pride is between you and your God. I do not believe in your God, yet I believe the Bible contains wisdom and good lessons. 
Instead of reminding me that you believe in your God, please tell me what you know of what you're sowing and reaping on IAB. 
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Male 13,429
boredhuman there's no need to, that is only a concern for God and myself. 
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Male 1,468
monkwarrior Why inform me of your knowledge, if you do not intend to share it? Kindly, keep to yourself the things you're not prepared to discuss. 

Let's go back to applying Proverbs 3:34 to your comment: 
"It's difficult to fool me, but i can see this being used to delude a nation again with a lie, like what happened on 9/11." -monkwarrior
Your comment appears to exhibit pride and mock a nation. 
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Male 13,429
boredhuman as was mentioned before, the m word.
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Male 1,468
I don't understand, so I ask for clarification gently:
When you used "the m word", were you referring to mocking?
What does your reply have to do with what I wrote?
What are you trying to say? 
Are you making assumptions about me?
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Male 6,326
monkwarrior now you quote bible verses!
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Male 18,342
rumham but only whe they suit his argument. Otherwise, he makes some vage heretical statement about knowing the true mind of god.
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Male 13,429
Draculya ah haha you're so desperate.
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Male 45,690
monkwarrior   1519 - Mayan calendar say the man-god was due to claim the city... Cortes shows up to conquer.... So I guess those Mayan gods are real !

If you talk enough, something is bound to come true just by coincidence. 
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Male 506
Gerry1of1 I get what you are saying. But here, it isn't looking for something out of anything from of a small reference. It is a future predictor that is rather specific. Seeing the number 666 in the future is pretty easy and every cooky guy can find it and make a story out of it. 

This is NOT some happy accident that can be easily explained away. Implanting something in your hand, that will easily be used in the future for ID and probably cash, is beyond coincedence. 
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Male 506
Gerry1of1 Dunno Gerry, this seems pretty dead on to the subject of not being able to buy or sell without one in the future. 
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Male 45,690
thatjimguy Superstitious paranoia.  Noting in that video said you won't be able to buy or sell if you don't get one.
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Male 45,690
thatjimguy   It's  a train ride, it's not stopping or helping anyone go to the grocery store or pick up more crap from Amazon
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Male 13,429
Gerry1of1 thatjimguy is right man, sorry to say
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Male 45,690
monkwarrior   That's what religionists said about social security numbers. "Everyone has a number! It's The Beast!"  I've just heard people cry wolf about their religious ideas too many times.  1000 years ago they expected Christs return according to scripture.... He's a bit late.
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Male 13,429
Gerry1of1 it's getting closer, but it's definitely coming.
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Male 45,690
monkwarrior   I'm told Santa is coming, too, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Male 13,429
Gerry1of1 It was invented by Coca-Cola about 100 years ago, what do you expect?
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Male 9,383
monkwarrior 
That's rather a myth. The story is far older and more complicated than that.
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Male 13,429
LordJim so i stand corrected on Coca-Cola and it's actually over 200 years ago. But yet 'santa'  (short for 'santa claus') has a very deep root in marketing for the sole purpose of marketing, and that was the 'It' i was referring to, the name.  So what would anyone expect if they were said 'Santa is coming'?
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Male 9,383
monkwarrior  'Santa is coming' 

Please don't Google that. The roots go a lot further back than 200 years and pre-date marketing. It's a pagan thing semi-adopted by the church. Surely you know that?
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Male 6,326
Gerry1of1 spot on correct sir, anything with a list or a number you hear about the mark of the beast by every wacko.  
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Male 45,690
rumham   Well if you have a book with a thousand prophesies or guesses one of them is bound to be right eventually, or close to right. Or just slightly resemble something. Now what I'd call proof of the books accuracy.
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Male 1,094
Gerry1of1 Okay, but what if they're all right?  At some point doesn't it cease to be coincidence?
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Male 45,690
cjeffblanchr Yes, "when they are all right".  But that's not happening.
How many times has it been the 'End of the World' now only to have 
the sun rise the next day, nothing happened?
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Male 1,094
Gerry1of1 Well, that's people making wrong predictions and ignoring what the actual Bible says.  There's  a huge difference between mankind being wrong and God being wrong.
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Male 276
cjeffblanchr so is man or God responsible for the historic inaccuracies?
(This is without getting into whether or not all the prophecies were made before what they prophecies)
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Male 1,094
elgabalo Not sure what you mean.  What historic inaccuracies?  If you mean people making predictions of the end of the world and them not coming to pass, then of course it man is responsible.  Rarely does prophecy give an actual exact time for when something will be fulfilled.  And definitely not in regard to the end of the world.  It clearly states that no one would know the day or the hour.  So any false predictions grant guilt solely to mankind.
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Male 276
cjeffblanchr crap, I think I had a point in mind when I made my comment, but now I forget. I was going to reply about inaccuracies within the Bible with regards to history, but I that would be a little off topic.
Unless it was doubt about the prophecies having happened, and thus poopooing this whole mark on the beast thing.

Anyways, good on youhaving payed attention to the part where it's clearly stated that trying to predict the end is some high-level blasphemy.
 
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Male 1,094
elgabalo Yeah, inaccuracies within the Bible would be a whole other discussion.  

Predicting the end has probably been around as long as people have.  I hate it when Christians try to say that the apocalypse is upon us, it must be because of how terrible the world is. But they are ignoring thousands of years of history when times were likely far worse than they are now.  There has always been wars and rumors of wars, pestilence, famine, earthquakes and everything else.  The end may come someday, maybe even someday soon, but we have no idea.

I wish people would stop.  But I guess there's too much money being made by the doomsayers preying off people's fears and expectations.

The saddest part of it is that preaching the end is near is not motivating Christians to do Christian things.  It changes their mindsets to thinking that the end must be near so why try to make the world a better place.

I do believe in prophecy, and prophesied events may be happening in our time, but I don't think we can't know it.  We don't know its been fulfilled until after it has happened, so that we can look back and see that God was in control.

As for whether prophecies in the past were written before or after the fulfillment, well, we can't really know for certain in most cases.  Then there's self fulfillment--something's been prophesied so someone does that very thing to make it seem like it has been fulfilled.  Yet either way, it did happen.  

I see the value of prophecy in Biblical times, if one believes the books of the prophets as written.  I'm not sure how much really applies to our times.
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Male 6,326
Gerry1of1 reminds me of the story of the broken clock, about how its right sometimes
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Male 223
I wonder if black people in america, or Sweden could afford this procedure? otherwise we just killed off for not having it
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Male 955
dieseljuice1891 The chip I had put in my dog was about $50.  I would expect the railroad to discount it in order to encourage it being adopted.
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Male 18,342
muert we have the same thing in Hong Kong, but the chip goes in a card or your watch.
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Male 9,645
Probably inevitable.  Given how humans have operated in the past, probably not a good idea idea until we evolve to not be assholes.  May never happen until we kill ourselves off or perhaps one day we'll be automatically implanted with a machines at birth and be cyborgs, who the hell knows?
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