The People Vs. The Education System

Submitted by: daegog 4 months ago in Misc


This guy makes a pretty good case.
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Female 6,716
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The first problem with the American educational system is the curriculum. Also known as the mile wide river that's only an inch deep.
Second problem is too much time is spent on propaganda and not education.
 The third problem is the lazy overpaid teachers. But thanks to America and bracing communism the teachers union see to it in confidence is always rewarded.    
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Male 710
I am really tired of those that equate creativity with productivity, and then try and indict the school system for judging ones ability to accumulate knowledge and apply concepts correctly. Yes solving problems requires creativity but it also requires understanding the limitations of our physical world, how laws of nature work, how math works, and the ability to communicate effectively with others.  Sorry just because you "creatively" come to the conclusion that 2+2 is 5 does not make it so, or useful….

I found this video more of an indictment of the artist failed understanding of the education system than a trial of the educations system itself.
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Male 2,352
Einstein never said the judging a fish quote.  When you start with a lie you lose all credibility 
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Male 2,239
He claims that the educational system is bad because schoolrooms look the same as they have for centuries. The best bacon is made with the 'Wiltshire Cure', which hasn't changed since the late 1700s.
I do not claim that our education system is perfect; only that that is a silly argument.
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Male 45,690
He talked a great deal but said very little.
This is a wheel today....... this is a wheel from 1000 years ago.

He claims the kids learn nothing then uses a heart surgeon as an example.
That heart surgeon went to school to learn his trade.
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Male 7,329
Gerry1of1 Are you honestly seeking to defend the US educational system?
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Male 45,690
daegog    No, I'm just not in agreement that he is a great speaker.
He whines and bitches while making bad comparisons yet offers no solutions.
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Gerry1of1 I've had several friends and family members who have achieved great educational success under the current system, but they had the smarts and the drive to succeed, one of my friends got his phd from Harvard, another is a physicist with multiple degrees, my brother has postdoc degrees.  Current system works if you also work.  If you choose not to work and make excuses instead, you get this guy.
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Male 45,690
kelly_hanna Consider, schools produced great thinkers and inventors for a couple of centuries. Now we are told they don't work because schools don't develop the kids dainty personality.   I'm not saying schools are great, they fail by every possible measure, but it's not just he teacher's fault.  
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Male 4,069
Home. School. Your kids.
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captkangaroo I once worked with a guy who was home-schooled.   He got a good education but he was very behind in social skills. He didn't know how to interact around other men or how to deal with tough situations. Maybe that's why he went on a killing spree.
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dm2754 
Name this person, document your work connection to him.
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Male 45,690
captkangaroo      but what if you get a crush on  your teacher?  awkward 
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Gerry1of1 
A La Van Halen?
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Male 7,329
captkangaroo Having met a few home schooled kids, I do not think that is a good answer.  Of the ones I have met, they are so socially awkward as to be damn near useless in any interaction with other people.
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daegog 
Is your meeting them recent? Are they from a very religious or other cult like family?
Were they home schooled entirely in the home? Were they part of a home school cooperative?
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Male 7,329
captkangaroo As best as I could tell they were just normally home schooled, not particularly cultish lol.

I just think as it stands now, high school primarily exists to teach you how to deal with assholes every day, that is a lesson that can be quite valuable.
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Male 4,069
daegog 
Most home school programs these days include many out-of-the-house activities, as well as socializing with other home schoolers.
This, of course, is presupposing competent parents making informed efforts.
Home school cooperatives are fast becoming the norm, with parents taking turns overseeing aspects of learning, or hiring qualified staff.
Either way, the more one can control and tailor the learning environment to each specific child, the better.
I was home schooled in the 60's, and it was mostly the uber religious or hippies home schooling their kids. Right wing extremists and anti government folks picked it up in the 70's and 80's, but home schooling is becoming more attractive to Joe average as public education continues to deteriorate.
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Male 7,329
captkangaroo I do not have a good answer atm lol.  i know both home and public schooling seem to be lacking greatly.

I think early schooling is not so much about teaching hard facts as it is about teaching kids HOW to learn.  Outside of math and english (and those are debatable) most of the stuff taught is of questionable usefulness.

I wish they put more emphasis on learning how to learn instead of learning by rote.
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daegog 
You are correct regarding teaching how to learn; My experience is that home schooling has a better success rate achieving this.
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Male 158
He's not wrong though.

I was educated in the UK back in the 80's and very early 90's and I'd say I had a pretty damm good education. Not sure how it stacks up these days but back then I think the UK was doing pretty well.

When I came over to the USA in early 2000 I helped my step-son out with his school work on occasion and was shocked how far behind (progression wise) he was to where I was at his age. What shocked me more was the repetition, it seemed that the first half of any given term was spent rehashing and repeating the work of the last term. Then in the second half some new stuff before the cycle started again. 

I passed out and finished school at 15 with a full education (11 exams passed) and my experience with the US system in the mid to late 2000's was a culture shock to say the least. Now I have no clue how education has *developed* in the UK over the past 30 years so I can't draw any hard conclusions .. I just hope they are not following the US model.

Disclaimer - My step-son was in public school in California. YMMV. 
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