Jonathan Pie Gender Pay Gap Interview Goes Tits Up

Submitted by: LordJim 9 months ago in Funny


It's not a gender pay gap. It's a gender earnings gap.



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Male 10,232
Simple anecdote that demonstrates the earning gap. 

Used to work shiftwork in a chemical lab.  Eight (8) lab techs, everyone had the same exact schedule: (12-hour shift, 4 week rotation, everyone scheduled to work 2,190 hours a year.)

'Patsy' had more seniority than I did, so had a higher hourly wage.  Base pay she should have made ~$2,738 more than me a year.

Now, everyone got vacation, which had to be covered by others, resulting in OT.  Patsy absolutely refused to cover any overtime. I, on the other hand, worked as much overtime as I could. I literally did not have a Saturday off for over a year (and strangely, she never worked a Saturday Night...and every Saturday night she took a vacation day her husband would call looking for her).

I also volunteered to work special projects and attend any training the label would like someone to have.

So, seeing as I worked, on average, an additional 1,200 hours of OT, I ended up making over $20,000 more than Patsy.  

According to Patsy, this was proof of the Gender Wage Gap. 
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Male 794
Sigh, the "gender pay gap" only works with averages, as soon as you compare men and women in the exact same job it goes right out the window. The pay is exactly the same. There are just more men in high paying jobs than women. Men are more aggressive, louder, scarier, etc. they get more money by demanding it. With the company I work for it's job classification and time in that job that determines your pay. Nothing else counts.
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Male 295
Shelworth and the earning gap is backed up by averages; please don't blame statistics for their misuse.
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Male 9,621
Shelworth  Men are more aggressive, louder, scarier, etc.  I'm none of those things but even so you have a point. A few years ago I was up for (internal) promotion to department head. The only other candidate was a very capable female colleague with whom I got on well. When she heard that I had applied she withdrew her application. When I asked her why she was vague but I'm convinced she felt awkward competing against a male ( older ) colleague   

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Male 6,503
Shelworth Exactly. I came back to my old contract and my friend, who has about a year of experience more than me, is paid slightly higher for the same role. She is a woman and is getting paid solely on her experience.
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Male 2,793
Research over and over again shows that women's pay differences are primarily because of the choices they make and not discrimination. 
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Male 46,093
I've always wondered, who brings the sandwiches to a feminist picnic?
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Male 18,342
Gerry1of1 nobody! They all eat fish tacos
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7,047
Oh come on how can you deny the irrefutable evidence. Take tennis pro Bruce Jenner for example. Used to make a lot of money in his professional career playing tennis as a man. The once he started growing breasts and demanding that everybody called him Caitlin, he makes practically nothing as professional tennis player.
Enough said (mic drop)
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Male 1,157
dm2754 (pics up mic) Could it be that Bruce was a better player?  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11757132/I-Am-Cait-Caitlyn-Jenner-jokes-that-Bruce-was-a-better-tennis-player.html

Perhaps you were being facetious?
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7,047
nettech98 sure was. just poking fun at the wage gap
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Male 18,342
My organisation is a bit special. We employ zero women. None have ever applied. 

However, our sister organisation is an even mix within its office staff so I get to see pay negotiations and pay scales. There is no policy of discrimination, but it seems the women don't speak up or negotiate. They don't give ultimatums or seek better jobs outside. They sit passively and patiently await they charity of their bosses.

One woman hadn't had a raise in TEN YEARS. When I heard, I offered to speak to their board, but she didn't want a fuss made. I suggested if an employer skipped me twice I'd "fire the employer". A few weeks later she resigned with a better offer from an employer at a much higher pay. I wrote her a reference letter just last Friday.

Her line manager all those years who kept her down was a woman. The board has women on it. There are no anti women pay policies.

Women need to speak up, get tough and be less meek when they negotiate pay and promotion. Employers necessarily give raises to retain staff and reward performance (the perception of performance is always a matter of negotiation).

Organisations don't just pay a common salary across the same rank and they don't promote people automatically after a certain period of service. That would be contrary to the critical principle of meritocracy. Culture needs to change. Women need to change. Management just provide the level playing field, but women need to step up and actually fight for equality on a daily basis.
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Male 10,070
LordJim, one request: May I ask you to upload an avatar (AKA profile image)? It doesn't look particularly good on the site when a content submitter is represented by the generic/no-image-found graphic. If you need any help with this, just let me know. Thank you.
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Male 9,621
squrlz4ever Well,  I gave it a go but I seem to have screwed up. I'll try again later. 
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Male 10,070
LordJim Hey, LordJim, no worries. Based on the image I see you using here, I've made a few square variations that may work better for you. If any of them appeal to you, great; if not, no worries. And again, if you need any assistance with this, just lemme know. Thanks.

Full image with canvas added to make square.
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Image slightly redesigned for a square canvas (my vote: it's larger but retains the feel of the movie poster).
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Male 9,621
squrlz4ever Thanks very much.  Yeah,  second one works for me. 
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Male 10,070
LordJim Unfortunately, LordJim, I've hit an impasse: I can't get the new image to displace the first-uploaded one. I've seen this bug before. Unfortunately, we may have to wait until Sunny or another developer is working on the platform to fix the situation. In the meantime, you can try uploading the new image yourself (below) and see if you have any better luck than I'm having. Thanks.
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Male 10,070
LordJim Great. Just realized I need to add Peter O'Toole's name on there. Hold on for a slight revision.

Update. Here you go.
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Male 10,070
I'm a liberal and I liked this a lot. I'll be curious to see what faults IAB'ers may find with the video. Having worked in a corporate environment for 20 years, I don't know of any instances where a female software developer was paid less than a male developer.

In fact, I've seen the reverse: Corporations are so eager to have more women in their IT management that female developers who are only moderately talented are sometimes given opportunities and promotions that are not provided to similarly talented male developers.
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Male 913
squrlz4ever I like the term "Earnings Gap" and will keep it in my repertoire. It more accurately describes the root cause of the disparity. And stating the problem accurately is important. 
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Male 10,070
toetagmodel2 Agreed. I hadn't heard of that term as a substitute for "wage gap" before, but I like it.
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Male 18,342
squrlz4ever imagine how well a woman could do if she rode the positive discrimination and was competent to boot?

I have constantly pressured my daughter to be competent, nudged her towards male dominated school subjects and taught her to fight back against belittling of her gender or discrimination by proving her worth. She fights for what is hers.  
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Male 229
squrlz4ever 

I can testify the very same thing for mechanical and design engineering in Western Europe. 

If a company could hire a person to do a current job for less money...they would. Then all of the workers would be female. That's not the case. Capitalism is gender-blind.

The real issue is much deeper. Coded in our DNA, in our hormones, in 60 000 years of humans living in communities. It's not black and white as some people like to portray it. 

The disadvantages of being a female in current workforce is proven preference to work with people. Being a teacher, medical worker or daycare personell are not top dollar jobs. 
Instead of playing the "blame game" against the invisible "patriarchate", maybe we (as a society) should look at the whole picture and try to provide same opportunities based on facts, not myths.
For instance, salary systems for medical workers could be changed for a start. 

Who am I kidding.. This is humanity 2.0. No one listen to a different opinion. 
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Male 18,342
srximus True. I've worked with many female bankers, sales traders, lawyers and accountants. They are a minority at ground level, and many drop out. The ones that go the distance, putting work before family become super successful because they can use their people skills and that matters more the higher you rise.
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