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Something For Creationists To Think About [Pic+]

Hits: 4419 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: Science | Added by: drawman61
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HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 607 Posts
Tuesday, June 17, 2014 7:57:00 PM
CrakrJak: "I'll take Jesus' words over any others and no proof is needed to know they are the truth."

But you've never heard Jesus' words. All you've ever heard is what other people *CLAIM* that Jesus said and did. So you aren't taking Jesus' word, you're taking the word of some nameless authors of the Gospels without any evidence that they're right.

Furthermore, what kind of lame deity is afraid of a little fact checking to determine if what he/she/it said is true? If I were a god I'd make sure my claims were easily verifiable.

@5Cats: You're conflating the "trust" definition of "faith" with the blind "belief without evidence or in spite of the evidence" definition of "faith" we're using here. They're two different things.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3836 Posts
Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:04:51 AM
Also,
"So you dismiss the entirety of the article outright. Well, that does prove that you are a Christian."
I'm an atheist who was raised Jewish and I also think the article was crap.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3836 Posts
Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:03:13 AM
@Lord Jereth,
For some believers, the discoveries of science are confirmations of the wonders of God.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3965 Posts
Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:51:22 AM
Foot prints

coal pot

However, with all that being said, here are two that I know have been discussed to death, and some reasonable discussion on them.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3965 Posts
Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:46:45 AM
Lord_Jereth - most of that stuff on that page has been shown over and over to either be fake, exaggerated, un-provable, allegorical, or just plain nonsense. Some of those "items" that creationists have found they refuse to let them be tested by other scientists (peers).

Its not my job to prove these things are false mind you, its your job to prove to me they are not.
The burden of proof doesn't lay with the one in disbelief; yet the one making a claim.

Lord_Jereth
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 707 Posts
Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:12:38 AM
@elkingo

"This is pure non-sense. Science does not seek to confirm or deny the existence of a god(s)."

True. But, science does show, more and more each day, that god(s) is unnecessary.

"As for the linked article, it is nothing more than rubbish."

So you dismiss the entirety of the article outright. Well, that does prove that you are a Christian. I don't know about the scientist part, though. Feel like sharing your sources that show everything in that article to be "rubbish"?

LJ

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3965 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 9:44:59 PM
As for the linked article, it is nothing more than rubbish.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3965 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 9:43:21 PM
"If you believe in god you're an idiot. Why? Science."

This is pure non-sense. Science does not seek to confirm or deny the existence of a god(s).

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3965 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 9:42:22 PM
"The only way to have science and religion is if you believe that the Devil has changed the Bible to trick you."

I don't know if you are trolling, or if you just define religious as how you see fit, and not how the actual faithful see fit.


I am a scientist and a Christian.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26660 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 7:36:06 PM
@CrakrJak: Exactly!

Since when does "faith" REQUIRE "proof"?

Since... NEVER! DUH!

Some folks need to brush up on their Dictionary Definitions...

Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2671 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 6:48:03 PM
I'm a practicing pagan and church-going Christian ... and while I believe a lot of things as truth, I know I can't call them fact, so I believe in them based on MY faith and leave others alone to their beliefs and their faiths. Even I know that some of it (amounts vary) are just emotional crutches to make you feel more comfortable with the unknown, with things beyond our control, fate, luck, etc, etc. And there's nothing wrong with it ... until you start going around spouting "my invisible man can beat up your invisible man"

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 6:05:44 PM
Patch: "Faith means taking another person's word for it and not asking for any proof."

I'll take Jesus' words over any others and no proof is needed to know they are the truth.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26660 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 5:10:53 PM
@ZeeGrr60: Cosmology Where did everything come from? I mean EVERYTHING; including the Big Bang.

The exact same answer "science" uses for the BB is the one certain Monotheists use for "God".

As a Deist, I believe in God the All-Creator, but follow no religious teachings. Does that make me smart or stupid?

I'm just saying, "faith" plays a role in science too. They might use a different word for it though...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26660 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 5:06:10 PM
@patchouly
Doggy heaven sounds awesome! I'm in!


@Musuko42: it sounds TERRIBLE! I'm out!

@madduck: Ah! A voice of reason!
Just because @HiEv doesn't agree with @CrakrJak's "reason" for belief (faith) doesn't make either of them "wrong" eh?

Everyone has "faith" every single day! Not of a religious sort, perhaps, but we still "assume" certain things will happen based on past experiences and un-provable beliefs.

Like Robert A Wilson said: "Before you sat down in your chair, did you test it to see if it was broken? That's faith!"

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1978 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 4:58:47 PM
If you believe in god you're an idiot. Why? Science.
Now I understand religion is for people not smart enough for science.Why? Because if they understood science they would know the "Invisible Man in the sky" is the result of a self-induced psychosis.
There is no kind way to say it. The religious are insane.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 6119 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 1:50:05 PM
Now it is THAT time of a Friday evening- I think it is not belief itself which we should have issue with- but specific beliefs. Some people just ' believe'... and that in itself is fine- it is when that 'belief' translates itself into a specific- harmful belief that we can have issue with??

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3836 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 12:02:09 PM
Time for me to chime in, too. I'm an atheist. I don't try to convince those of faith that they're wrong, I simply feel differently. As long as they don't try to preach to me I keep my personal feelings personal. I don't feel, however, that there's anything wrong with faith if it gives someone comfort and a feeling of reason to our existence. I don't insult them and it bothers me to see IABers referring to it as belief in magic, etc. That's a completely unnecessary insult of someone else's beliefs.

@HiEv,
"Faith is not a valid reason for belief."
As I understand it, that's correct. Faith *IS* belief.

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 607 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 10:17:25 AM
HiEv: "If you want anyone to believe that God was the cause, then *you* have to prove it."
CrakrJak: "No we don't, it's called faith."

You do if you want anyone *else* to believe you for *valid* reasons.

"Faith" is not a valid reason for belief.

CrakrJak: "The personal experience of highly unlikely coincidence is NOT 'ignorance'."

Not knowing why somethings have happened *IS* ignorance. Treating that ignorance as "knowledge" or "evidence" of God is not a valid conclusion.

Even in a universe without gods, coincidences would still happen. That's basic statistics. You're simply reading too much into those coincidences because humans are inherently bad at statistics and tend to see more significance in them than they deserve.

Check out The Odds Must Be Crazy.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 9:24:25 AM
@patchouly

Doggy heaven sounds awesome! I'm in!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 9:20:07 AM

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 8:59:23 AM
@patchouly

Doggy heaven sounds awesome! I'm in!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 8:54:42 AM
Okay- be fair- most Christians are NOT creationists. There seem to be quite a few in the US


I've yet to meet any this is what happens when you use the internet as your guide.......

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 6119 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 8:45:29 AM
Okay Patch- most christians I know are, obviously, British and CofE. I think that translates to Episcopalian. They take the bible as what it is- a collection of texts which show the beginnings of a faith in a being- that we cannot know, the 'thing' before the singularity. they DO believe in Jesus and his ideas about being nice, and put that into a modern framework. I don't believe- couldn't if I wanted to- but they do, and most of them accept that they frame their belief in a cultural context- knowing full well they could equally be Moslem or Buddhists if they were born in a different place. Which is why they are very keen on interfaith harmony. If you DO believe in 'something' then that is probably the best way to do it.. but they do no harm.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4645 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 8:43:13 AM
@Musuko42,
By sending me lots of money. I will make sure you get a good place in Doggy Heaven; based on the numerical value of your contribution to me, of course.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, June 13, 2014 7:54:20 AM
@patchouly

"Do I have faith that the dog is my lord and saviour?"

I do! How may I worship doggy jesus?

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