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US And Canadian Couple Still Held By Taliban[Pic+]

Hits: 2151 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12320 Posts
Sunday, June 08, 2014 12:21:51 AM
Who cares? They shouldn't have been there.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25691 Posts
Saturday, June 07, 2014 7:51:46 PM
@Mr_Pedo_Bear: The Russians have been known to shoot first and rescue second. Their diplomats, civilians and troops are usually safe from kidnapping.

But yeah, the French have a few "elite units" that kick ass AND chew bubble gum at the same time!!

Mr_Pedo_Bear
Male, 70 & Over, Southern US
 937 Posts
Saturday, June 07, 2014 9:27:15 AM
As has been said this doesn't encourage kidnapping of more troops. They'd already be getting caught or shot anyway, difference is there is a small chance they're going to keep them alive after interrogating fo the chance of an exchange. So not massively changing he landscape.

Where as if the Government starts footing the bill for civilians , it increases kidnappings. The only civilians who should feel secure when travelling are the French strangely enough. Their military don't give a poo and will go in and rescue their citizens regardless of the consequences diplomatic or otherwise, including the hostages getting caught in cross fire.

normalfreak2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1854 Posts
Saturday, June 07, 2014 5:53:24 AM
5Cats. There's a clause that allows the President to forgo normal procedures in situations that require immediate action. We can argue whether or not this situation was warrant enough for him to do it. But honestly Whodat has it right. If this guy dies in captivity the GOP would have shredded him and most of the Public. That wasn't the better of the two solutions. This was the best outcome given the circumstances.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14376 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 9:17:04 PM
I have a hard time feeling sorry for idiots who get some kind of charge out of traveling to third-world $#!+hole countries, end up getting themselves kidnapped or imprisoned, and then expect Uncle Sam to spend $millions to rescue their sorry asses.

The State Department needs to publish a list of "You're on your own" (YOYO) countries where you cannot expect the government to do anything on your behalf if you get imprisoned or kidnapped. These would include most of the Muslim world and pretty much the entire continent of Africa plus North Korea and Cuba.

I'd also tell the damned Mexicans to release Sgt. Tahmooressi, immediately, and stop throwing their garbage over our fence, or they're on the list, too.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 4:51:47 PM
Five for one isn't in my book a good deal BTW if I played ball like that I'd be broke.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25691 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 2:49:36 PM
The whole "prisoner swap" isn't THAT big an issue, except that the USA doesn't 'recognize' the Taliban as a legitimate government (until NOW!) but as a terrorist group. By doing this swap they're saying the Taliban ARE legitimate. Which is probably true, but NOT official US policy.

AND the Law says congress needs to be notified before Gitmo prisoners are released, a Law Obama signed, for the record. And then broke.

These two civilians were extra-stupid, yes it's true. But why not ask that they be "included in the deal"? Are they any less deserving of rescue because they had faith in humanity?

@danagamer: iirc: She was 3 months pregnant when they were captured. I may be mistaken though.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2603 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 2:43:17 PM
FP, I'm a UK war pensioner who also served in two US units for two six month attachments to their forces.

I agree about the political football comment... Some people are trying to use this soldier just as a stick to beat Obama with.

Every soldier would love to think they'd make the ultimate sacrifice, and most would in a heartbeat.....but hopefully quick with a bullet, not tortured, beaten, beheaded, and forgotten. I think all of us in those circumstances would just want to come home - even if we had to suffer the humiliation of being traded, it's better than being hacked to death on camera.

I have to say I know some veterans will disagree with my thoughts on Sgt. Bergdahl, it is inevitable given the large cross-section of those that earn a uniform, but peeps on here like Smag and Whodat are more representative of the views of the US guys I personally served with - they tend to be my yardstick on here for any times I know I'm way off with my thinking on this

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25691 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 2:36:26 PM
@SmagBoy1 and @WhoDat: Funny, the White House ITSELF is attacking the other members of his platoon. Calling them "psychopaths" and "Swift Boaters" and tools of the Republicans. Lies, all lies of course. It's Obama's White House after all!

These "rumours" (or reports if you please) have been around for YEARS now! It's not something "cooked up" to shame the PotUS! FFS!

The PROBLEM, once again, is that Obama deliberately DISOBEYED American Law (that HE signed!) in doing this shady deal.

He's a "suspected deserter" OK>? That PC enough language for everyone?

Meanwhile it's a fact: Civilians are rotting in the hands of the enemy, Obama stands accused of specifically NOT trying to get them back, just this guy.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 2:36:13 PM
If he deserted let him be punished by our system not barbarians. As for these people they deserve to be freed too and shouldn't be ignored. You all let parties speak for you and that's the problem. Now there's the Taliban they're the scum of the earth their record shows that. They can all burn for I care too bad a lot of Europe has gone pussy about it cause with that attitude they'll be back.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 2:26:38 PM
@FoolsPrussia, I served during the first Iraq war, and, for what it's worth, I agree 100% with whodat's posts here.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 2:16:16 PM
As far as I know, whodat is the only person in these comments who has actually served (correct me if I'm wrong here). You'd think he probably has some credibility here.

Now can we please stop using the military as a political football? If he's a deserter, he'll be formally charged and prosecuted.

danagamer
Male, 30-39, Western US
 694 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 1:21:26 PM
1) All US Marines are bound by the oath to never leave one of their own behind. Weather or not he deserted his post has yet to be determined. He was sent to Afghanistan by the US Marines, they are resonsible for bringing him back.

2) Caitlan Coleman and Joshua Boyle went to Afghanistan in the middle of a war for no apparent reason. Not even their parents know why the hell they went. They should not have been there, they are idiots. Even more so since the guy knocked up his wife AFTER they were kidnapped. Idots!

Mikeoxsbiggg
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1229 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 1:00:17 PM
I don't believe any of them should have been there in the first place, but if you are dumb enough to go there you accept the risks.
Going to the middle east voluntarily is a stupid risk that if taken you should be on your own.
I have no sympathy for those that go there and get kidnapped. Why did you freaking go? What did you think was going to happen?

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2603 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 12:21:40 PM
Baelzar, but where is the evidence for that thought?

I could understand it if for instance when Israel swapped over a thousand prisoners to get Gilad Shalit back alive (first one returned alive in decades) there was loads of evidence to say that Hamas then went on to kidnap 10s of other soldiers.... or even jewish civillians, just because Israel swapped some prisoners that time.

If the premise you're talking about was that evidenced somewhere then surely that is a case that would be a prime example given that they swapped over a thousand people for just one soldier back.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:50:57 AM
For those of you calling him a deserter, he'd left post before. Yes, he was disgruntled. A *LOT* of folks in the armed service are disgruntled. They still do their job. He'd done his up until the point he was captured. Yes, he was outside the wire and he shouldn't have been. And he got captured out there and held for five years. It was our obligation to try to rescue him. Now, if the military wants to try him for being AWOL, that's fine, but he won't be tried for desertion because he was captured far too soon to have deserted. And since he's been punished far more than any AWOL conviction would punish him, I doubt he'll even be charged with that. I predict that in a few months, once this isn't on the page any more, he'll be quietly medically discharged.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1400 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:49:54 AM
They don't have to kidnap front line soldiers in contested areas. They can kidnap support personnel, rear-echelon military...anyone who is in less secure areas.

It doesn't involve nearly the risk that attacking combat soldiers does. It requires less dangerous material and expertise. You can kidnap someone without firing a shot or smuggling explosives.

IEDs became so popular because they had a great return on investment. I expect, after this, that kidnapping will become more of a focus.

Mikeoxsbiggg
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1229 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:41:03 AM
I don't believe any of them should have been there in the first place, but if you are dumb enough to go there you accept the risks.
Going to the middle east voluntarily is a stupid risk that if taken you should be on your own.
I have no sympathy for those that go there and get kidnapped. Why did you freaking go? What did you think was going to happen?

Torq
Male, 40-49, Western US
 363 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:40:01 AM
a pair of idiots go sight-seeing in a war zone and get into trouble. can anyone say "duh"

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2603 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:34:41 AM
"Also, expect to see more kidnappings of US military personnel due to the incredible return on investment given by this incompetent administration."


How? You think before this they just saw them separated from their units on the battlefield and thought... nah, we're not kidnappers, leave them be.

The logic may apply to civillians like these two, but the same logic doesn't work when you're talking about military personnel, they're at no more risk than they were before, and quite possibly at a lower risk of just being outright killed rather than managing to survive against the odds like Sgt. Bergdahl did.

And some of you guys ought to be ashamed... you're usually the ones waving flags and standing up for the constitution and your troops. Calling the guy a deserter before he's had a trial convicting him of it is going against everything you normally fight for.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17143 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:15:03 AM

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1400 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:15:02 AM
Shakil Afridi, the doctor who helped us confirm Bin Laden's identity - rotting in Pakistani prison for trusting the US

Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi, retired Army Sergeant who served honorably for two tours in Afghanistan - sitting in Mexican prison for accidentally crossing into Mexico with firearms in his vehicle

These people deserve attention. Also, expect to see more kidnappings of US military personnel due to the incredible return on investment given by this incompetent administration.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17143 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:13:31 AM
"Obama freed an active duty Army prisoner of war."

Obama freed a disgruntled deserter that will likely be sent to Leavenworth soon.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3710 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:06:20 AM


BoredFrank
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 2005 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 11:03:11 AM
If Obama had NOT freed Bergman before we left Afghanistan, the same bunch of repugs would be screaming OBAMER LEFT OUR BOY BEHIND.


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