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Ben Stein Runs His Mouth Again [Pic+]

Hits: 2841 | Rating: (1.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Cajun247
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OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15076 Posts
Friday, April 11, 2014 10:32:32 PM
All science is either physics or stamp collecting.

- Ernest Rutherford

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4914 Posts
Friday, April 11, 2014 6:58:02 AM
'Attempting to argue that social sciences are not "real" science would mean that psychology and sociology are not sciences either.'

They aren't. Sociology?


Thonious
Male, 40-49, Western US
 954 Posts
Friday, April 11, 2014 6:27:03 AM
(cont'd)

. . . pretend that an economy cannot be objectively studied, measured, and evaluated.

Yours is yet another attempt to hide from a science because it generates inconvenient results. I stand by my earlier statement; you can deny gravity, but when you trip, you still fall down.

Thonious
Male, 40-49, Western US
 954 Posts
Friday, April 11, 2014 6:24:04 AM
Economics is a science. It is a social science. Attempting to argue that social sciences are not "real" science would mean that psychology and sociology are not sciences either.

Lionel Robbins developed the most widely-accepted definition of economics:

"Economics is a science which studies human behaviour as a relationship between ends and scarce means which have alternative uses." (1932)

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normalfreak2, your argument that "an economy" is not a science is spurious. You are attempting to pretend it away. An economy is not a science, but economics is a science. An economy is the subject of study; economics is the science with which it is studied. It is no different from saying that an organism is not a science, but biology is.

You can argue the validity of economic conclusions, the methods of economic analyses, or the applicability of economic theories, but you cannot successfully pretend tha

som-tam
Male, 18-29, Asia
 661 Posts
Friday, April 11, 2014 1:49:55 AM
A complete misrepresentation of what he actually said. liberals cannot argue against his actual points so fabricate ridiculous straw men to stimulate their righteous indignation.

It's difficult to argue against what he says and proposes, so instead they choose to invite their marxists comrades to join them in their outrage as the big meanie blaming the poor for being poor and for not being an atheist.

MelCervini
Female, 40-49, Eastern US
 1395 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:46:12 PM
Bottom line: my issue is with the people that want handouts not help. Here in the US you can masturbate the system enough to have free: 1)section 8 housing and not just in crap neighborhoods either, (they're sticking 8's up in all housing areas now and its backfiring horribly.) 2)Free Food that they're also trying to push to allow foodstamps in restaurants now. 3) Free utilities 4) Free cell phones 5) free medical/dental 6)vouchers for free clothing. 7) vouchers for a vehicle 8) voucher for gas and the list goes on.... and on. The "handouts" have NO reason to work and don't want to... thus the comment "they vote for a living" because guess who caters to them to keep them in office? So, yes... I get very jacked up on the abuses of a system that's supposed to help people back on their feet so they don't STAY on the teat.... because *I* am paying for it and get to see those exact leeches slap 200-400 bucks a day on lottery tickets, wine and smokes.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 7:29:58 PM
My real complaint about Stein's pontification is that people sabotage themselves because of a lack of God. The rest is just non-sequitor ramblings which do nothing to further his point. On the other hand there ARE people who do sabotage themselves (and others) because of TOO MUCH God. Rich are only the result of an economy that does NOT prove they are necessary. That on it's own, however, does not justify progressive taxation.

We invented it, thus it can be changed.


The economy changes all the time without government, it's only with government do we get unintended and undesirable results.

normalfreak2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2020 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:32:11 PM
@Thonious

An economy is not a law of nature, a universal law, or something that happens naturally.

We invented it, thus it can be changed.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 4:03:27 PM
Have to love how liberal skew and embellish what conservatives say. But they get extremely indignant when conservatives correctly quote things like, "we have to pass the bill to know what's in it".

Liberal philosophy, when all else fails, make conservatives out to be mean and evil, even if you have to lie to do it.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13604 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:32:17 PM
@LordJim
Why would I see welfare dependancy as a utopian dream? It's a damn nightmare and I see it a lot.

They don't seem to mind I see many spending far more than me shopping buying expensive clothing and food. Their priorities are FUBAR and you can't fix stupid. Of course there's also the part where a lot work under the table too. The systems broken it obvious to those who don't take advantage of it.

You'll find both ends of this spectrum doing disgusting things. Pointing the finger at one end to justify the other ends behavior doesn't make either of them less disgusting.

P.S. I'm telling ya the fish was as tall as me but before I could get a picture it got away!!

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4914 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:10:37 PM
McGovern1981

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll lie like a bastard.'

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4914 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:06:33 PM
...poor.

(That was only 985.)

MelCervini,

Calm down, It was you that made the analogy. OK, so you are not hating on the poor, just 'lazy f*cks that **refuse** to work...leeches that vote for a living rather than work for one.'

Sounds like a fair amount of hate in there. It was a pretty teling analogy. What kind of foraging do you imagine wil result?



LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4914 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:55:36 PM
'Those who don't accept the welfare queen utopian dream.'

A strawman if ever there was one. Why would I see welfare dependancy as a utopian dream? It's a damn nightmare and I see it a lot.

I'm coming to this from a UK perspective, but Stein is pontificating broadly and, while we haven't shared the same experiences, our countries are generaly experiencing the same thing. Over the last decade or so the wealth gap has accelerated hard. More people are in that marginal area, more jobs that used to pay a living wage now put workers onto some kind of benefit, there are food banks where before the concept was unknown. And the rich are getting richer and laughing all the way to the bank.

A few years ago people in my country got really cross. Actually quite angry. About politicians cheating on expenses, about financial institutions screwing us over without consequence, about the press spying and lying and bullying. But they all got together and now we're angry at the

MelCervini
Female, 40-49, Eastern US
 1395 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:42:32 PM
LMFAO! right on cue! yes... that's EXACTLY what's being said here, that "poor people are animals" People that are sick of supporting the lazy f*cks that **refuse** to work are "hating on the poor people!" NOT the leeches that vote for a living rather than work for one. Typical typical typical.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13604 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:41:53 PM
US poor are actually quite well off. If they got work it'd be minimum wage but assistance to the poor pays more than that so what is the incentive to go off the dole?


Exactly the state of MA the first model of Obama care is now offering dental to the welfare leeches. My father works a skilled job to pay for that and isn't offered dental WTF is that? They're even advertising it!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13604 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:36:28 PM
Haters? Hating whom?


Those who don't accept the welfare queen utopian dream. Yes, some people need it many milk it out of laziness and politician use it to buy votes.

MelCervini

Poor people = animals.

OK.



I think the point of that picture sail completely over your head. It's kind of like the saying "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3822 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:00:15 PM
@jwhalerfan,
Clearly you're a clueless conservative a55h*le. Look at how papajon makes his point and learn something from it.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4914 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:36:03 AM
MelCervini

Poor people = animals.

OK.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4914 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:27:33 AM
Haters? Hating whom?

Pooptart19
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2306 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:13:17 AM
Economics is a liberal art with a side order of maths. It is essentially based on policy and politics, not on making fundamental discoveries. Nobody really cares about economic data except as a guide to policy. Some aspects of economics have some of the characteristics of science but, dismal or not, the subject itself is not a science.

For once I'm going to have to disagree with you, Andrew155, and side with LordJim.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13604 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:58:44 AM
Experiment:

Go to a welfare line on check day. Hand out job applications. Count how many applications you pass out and how many applicants you get. Haters still won't accept the results.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10184 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:32:30 AM
When you're right, you're right!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:23:32 AM

Ollie, well it's true aint it?

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4914 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:12:46 AM
'Thomas Carlyle ... labeled it "The Dismal Science", which makes it a science nonetheless.'

Carlyle doesn't get to decide what is or is not science.

Economics is a liberal art with a side order of maths. It is essentially based on policy and politics, not on making fundamental discoveries. Nobody really cares about economic data except as a guide to policy. Some aspects of economics have some of the characteristics of science but, dismal or not, the subject itself is not a science.


OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15076 Posts
Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:59:32 AM
More proof that liberals hate the truth and anyone who speaks it.

@Gerry, regarding your use of the singular, I saw what you did there.

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