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When Marriage = A Doughnut [Pic]

Hits: 6953 | Rating: (3.4) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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Johanvb
Male, 40-49, Europe
 425 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:26:22 PM
@xavroche
And that is where i think you are wrong. If a gay couple can marry, why would it be a problem for a 'anti gays marriage person' to be a marriage commissioner?
As long as gay couples aren't refused the right to get married (or have to pay extra etc.)there is no problem.
Let gays be gays and anti gays marriage people be anti gay marriage people. As long as they respect the rules: No biting, hair-pulling or punching with closed fist.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25246 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:06:07 PM
@xavroche: My point was not is it right or wrong, but that it happens in reality; which @SleepyHallow denied. The marriage ceremony and the paperwork are two different things, and this rule applied to the former. Again, I'm not saying it's wrong, but it does preclude "choice" eh?

@Johanvb: So it's not just Canada, eh? Interesting.

I don't see major issue with 5cats idea of "Union" being the parent term all of us...

Thanks @papajon0s1! There was a golden opportunity in Canada to clarify all that stuff, but the Gov't didn't do anything positive.

@Squrlz4: It's my observation that ONE side (liberals) frequently knee-jerks on EVERY issue imaginable.

Point in fact: Who's talking about "marriage to a tree" on the conservative side? It's yet another strawman...

BostonKaiser
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1164 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 11:28:52 AM
"...Marriage was special now it's a joke, all because gays wanted to hijack the word marriage and force straight religious people to accept them or else..."

Tell me again, what are the divorce rates for straight people? Then try telling me again how "special" marriage is. It's been a joke for a long time and the "gays" had nothing to do with it.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4480 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:25:16 AM
'The marriage weirdness has just begun, people will be marrying their pets, trees, children and everything else.'

Just as soon as trees and pets can give informed consent.


Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:02:03 AM
@ Papajonon: "Love how *some* of the libs on here..." (my emphasis).

I'm really encouraged to see this qualification. Thanks for that, Papajon0s. For the most part, you guys have stayed away from broad brushes and ad-hominem attacks, which I appreciate.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 579 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 8:31:19 AM
Love how some of the libs on here lump all conservatives and religious into one hate-filled rant and then say they are the intolerant ones. I think the analogy of the sign is poor at best. From a Christian standpoint he argument speaks to the sanctity of life. That said, it should not be about hate and anger and endless bickering! Pope Francis himself called for an end to that being replaced with compassion and love for fellow human beings. That said, I don't see major issue with 5cats idea of "Union" being the parent term all of us are subject to under the government and "marriage" would be a term for religious purposes. And then just drop all the hatin'!

Johanvb
Male, 40-49, Europe
 425 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 8:23:16 AM
In the Netherlands gay marriage is accepted for a longer time now.
And though i couldn't care less who married what, when and where (unless they are underaged and/or forced marriages or marriage solely to get a legal status), i have a small problem with the gay community.

Gay activists have arragend by law that if you are a marriage commissioner and you do not want to marry a gay couple (for instance because you are a Christian) you may not work as one.

So although a town has several marriage commissioners or could get one from a nearby town and thus could still perform a gay marriage a refusing-officer ('weigerambtenaar', we have a special word for that ;) ) may not work as a marriage commissioner.

So gays who fought against discrimination are now discriminating others.
If they would had arranged that a town must have a person available that could marry them it would have been fine. But they had to make it so that specific people would have to pay.

xavroche
Male, 30-39, Europe
 814 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 8:02:03 AM
@5Cats: Since your friend is government appointed, and is paid to perform a civil marriage, I find it completed logical that she would face termination of her appointment should she not want to perform a marriage that is allowed by Canadian law. Since she chose to perform civil and therefore nondenominational marriages, her personal religious beliefs need to be put aside.

I would expect similar termination of a police officer or a judge who refuses to apply a new law for personal beliefs.

Kalimata
Male, 30-39, Canada
 660 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:43:02 AM
Crakr, you have said some wild stuff in the past, some I've not disagreed with, but seriously...

"...The marriage weirdness has just begun, people will be marrying their pets, trees, children and everything else..."

Do you truly believe this? Like on a grand scale, not a one off thing?

"...By the way, I want to know what gay people would think of two non-gay same sex people getting married now? Or three or four people possibly in mixed arrangements?"

Just as with all people, probably a wide and varied bunch of opinions. Generally I believe they wouldn't care at all.

"...Marriage was special now it's a joke, all because gays wanted to hijack the word marriage and force straight religious people to accept them or else..."

Or, did they want equality?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25246 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 4:06:04 AM
A "Ceremony" is what is conducted under the guidelines of whatever traditions you abide by and NO ONE is trying to change that.


@SleepyHallow: This is 100% untrue.

My friend was a "marriage commissioner" here in Canada when the "gay law" passed. She and ALL MCs were told, in no uncertain terms, that if they refused to marry a gay couple: their commission would be revoked. PERIOD. No if's ands or religious beliefs involved.

She was a "civil worker" performing the ceremony and helping expedite the paperwork, not just a "rubber stamping" bureaucrat. But that's how it was: do or be fired.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25246 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 4:00:11 AM
@SleepyHallow: You do know you've supported MY position? Yes?
And opposed @QueenZira and @Gerry1's positions, correct?

Yet you call them "intolerant religious/conservative morons are incapable of being able to tell the difference between a "Wedding Ceremony" and a "Marriage License"."??

That's not very nice! @Zira and @Gerry are going to be mad at you...

FredSpudman
Male, 18-29, Europe
 606 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 3:50:36 AM
@QueenZira We should also remember this oddity...

FredSpudman
Male, 18-29, Europe
 606 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 3:47:21 AM
@CrakrJak Two people entering a civil contract together, ostensibly because they love each other. Seems like a definition to me... as for "pets, trees, children and everything else", I rather think the law will not extend to those (apart from in Japan?). Tree lovers and paedophiles don't exactly hold much sway in the electorate.

Sleepyhallow
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1736 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 2:37:46 AM
How come intolerant religious/conservative morons are incapable of being able to tell the difference between a "Wedding Ceremony" and a "Marriage License".

A "Ceremony" is what is conducted under the guidelines of whatever traditions you abide by and NO ONE is trying to change that.
A "License" is a piece of government paperwork maintained by a specified agency [county Registrar in this case] for legal and record keeping purses.

*YOU* have no right to be telling my what I can and cannot do within the traditions of my own belief system just like I have no Right to tell you can or cannot do inside the doors of your closed-minded little hate groups [short of felony crimes that is]

So where do you get off thinking that you have the right to tell other what to do but no one can tell you what to do?
Where is that disconnect in your diseased brains that allows you to be hypocrites without realizing you are hypocrites?

som-tam
Male, 18-29, Asia
 651 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 2:04:41 AM
-cont. does not become the accepted protocol of the police force.

som-tam
Male, 18-29, Asia
 651 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 2:03:11 AM
what a moronic argument for gay marriage. how does this sound? 'Claiming someone else's religious views are homophobic because of your political beliefs are like... blah, blah, blah' I don't really care if gays get married or not - that's their lookout - what i do hope is that forcing people to say how wonderful it is on threat of imprisonment.

cjeffblanchr
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 48 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:34:38 AM
It always pisses me off when someone has a donut and I do not. It is bullpoo. Should be a law against eating a donut if you're not going to give me one. Or two.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:01:34 AM
Crakr and 5cats argument summed up by their venerated intellectual forbear. (With much thanks to Jon Hughes).

Yep, it's gonna be turrible I tells ya. Frogs, locusts, rivers urv blurd! Dogs and cats living together. I'm so glad they've decided to selflessly sacrifice themselves as spokesmen for all us straight religious folk, to advocate what all of us, without nuance or question believe. And to fight for our common, undifferentiated, totally bland olde tyme religion, Aphrodite's proud of you boys, go get 'em for Her, tigers! Rawwr!


Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1931 Posts
Tuesday, April 01, 2014 11:11:03 PM
"Our love is so special, I can't wait till the government gets involved..." said no two people in love....ever...

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17026 Posts
Tuesday, April 01, 2014 11:05:49 PM
As I've said before, If marriage can't be defined as 1 man and 1 woman anymore then it will never be definable again. Pandora's box has been opened, good luck trying to close the lid later.

Now every service company, church and venue has a sword above them, if they refuse service based on their religious beliefs the ACLU will sue them into oblivion.

The marriage weirdness has just begun, people will be marrying their pets, trees, children and everything else.

By the way, I want to know what gay people would think of two non-gay same sex people getting married now? Or three or four people possibly in mixed arrangements?

Marriage was special now it's a joke, all because gays wanted to hijack the word marriage and force straight religious people to accept them or else.

Naitsirhc88
Male, 18-29, Western US
 370 Posts
Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:55:38 PM
Ok, yeah some one else eating a donut doesn't hurt me. But when I keep saying I'm on a diet and they keep offering donuts it gets annoying. Just like when I keep getting hit on by gay guys.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12216 Posts
Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:39:49 PM
Why people would want to disallow gay marriage - and how they can live with themselves for being so biggoted - is totally beyond me. /smh

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25246 Posts
Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:25:28 PM
@WhoDat: Ooo! Very punny!

I prefer thinking of girls & scissors...



Senjogahara from Bakemonogatari! Her favorite weapon is a stapler... but any school supplies are lethal in her hands! Not a lesbian...



Gasi Yuno from Future Diary. Not a lesbian...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25246 Posts
Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:16:27 PM
@Rodin: Since I know people it's happened to? I'd say...
Yes, it is true! I didn't know it was 3 years in Ontario, but there it is.

@Squrlz4: Polygamy. Also if the definition of "adult" (Age of Concent) gets changed? Bingo! Also: close relatives. There's not as many of those "pushing for rights" but the argument is exactly the same as "gay rights".

Saskatchewan already recognizes "common-law" marriage where a 3rd party is sexually involved. See above.

@Gerry1: I'm saying: Make "Civil Union" the LEGAL definition of "marriage" and those other things 2ndary to that. Get "religion" out of the equation altogether!
Like I said: if you don't file papers with the government? Does it even count?

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3692 Posts
Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:10:41 PM


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