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10 Unsolved Aviation Mysteries [Pic]

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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Sunday, March 16, 2014 5:53:01 AM
@ Paperduck: I remember about the Boston Marathon bombings and I agree: the likelihood of anyone being able to guess what actually happened is next-to-nil. Still, for fans of Occam's Razor, it's a fascinating challenge: What possible explanation is the least outlandish given the few bizarre facts we know?

I'll also add that this kind of speculation has no place in the major media--TV and radio news, especially--out of respect for the families and in order to prevent the spreading of rumors.

Like you, I'd be elated if the passengers miraculously turned up unharmed. With every passing day, however, it's looking more and more unlikely.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1707 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:10:45 PM
Do you guys remember the online speculations on the boston marathon bombers prior to the release of the photos of the actual suspects? If you were keeping track of the various threads in that you'll know how wildly imaginative people can be, but the chances of getting it right is 1 in a million. That's why I'm saying we have no friggin clue what happened. I have to admit, it would be awesome if the plane landed somewhere, and I'm hoping for that too but really have zero to base that on.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:12:32 PM
Yeah, I think it's just too fantastical of an idea for this plane to have landed in some secret location and have all of the passengers be alive. I really wish that's what happened though, so I'm hoping.

But a crash in the Indian ocean is more likely. I agree, the crew seems the most likely culprit - probably the young pilot. The older pilot is a flying nerd with 18,000 hours and a youtube channel.

So if it's the younger pilot, what's he trying to do?

I swear, this is sounding like a Liam Neeson movie. Maybe "Taken 3: Off my plane", or something.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:42:17 PM
(Cont'd)

5. We know that it's not unheard of, although against the rules, for a pilot to go to sleep after take-off on an overnight flight and let the copilot fly the plane during most of the night, then awake in time to take charge of the final approach and landing.

6. We know from an eyewitness account that this pilot and copilot recently broke the rules in allowing two female passengers to join them in the flight deck for the entire flight. So it seems they weren't by-the-book types and it's certainly possible that the pilot had been trusting the copilot to fly the middle portion of the overnight flights while he slept.

7. If #1 through #6 are correct, it would explain why the expert hijacking of a plane conducted without alarming the passengers seems to have ended abruptly with the plane's crash.

8. I'm going with the crash scenario because I think it's far more likely than a successful secret landing somewhere.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:33:30 PM
@ Andrew: Just to continue a bit (my caffeine buzz is only beginning to taper off here)...

The reasons I'm suggesting a copilot vs. pilot struggle are the following:

1. I agree that the plane was hijacked. The flight path pretty much makes that certain.

2. It also appears the passengers were not at any time alarmed. No panicked phone calls or text messages. So no one stood up in the passenger section and waved a gun around. In fact, it appears that the passengers didn't realize anything was going wrong at all.

3. So based on #2, it looks like the crew hijacked the plane. But if they did, how could a pilot and copilot working *together* lose control of the plane? That's highly unlikely. And it doesn't appear to be a suicide mission.

4. Therefore, it seems as if one of the crew was conducting the hijacking, which proceeded just fine until the 2nd crew member resisted.

(Cont'd)

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:22:39 PM
@ Andrew: Thanks for the feedback, seriously. Agreed. *Really* hard to understand what could've happened. It does appear someone was trying to steal the plane. As you say, if the goal was murder/suicide/martyrdom, why fly with the transponders off *for hours*?

If and when that airplane is ever found, the flight deck voice recorder will certainly be worth a listen.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:16:11 PM
That scenario is not likely since it looks the struggle happened much sooner. The airplane went all the way up to 43,000 feet and then turned around, going down to 23,000 feet as it went toward the Indian ocean. Then it went up to 30,000 feet.

Really, it's confusing. Hijacking of some sort is certain. But that means it still could've crashed. The alternative would be it is being hidden in some country in a large hangar. The amount of candidate countries aren't many.

Iran, Pakistan, Burma, Indonesia? There's also Russia. Russia could've done it to distract from Crimea. It's working. But these are complete guesses. Speculation run amok.

I just have a hard time imagining someone hijacking a plane and flying it for 5-7 hours only to crash it into the ocean.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:01:46 PM
(Cont'd)

Eventually, passengers became aware that the plane was flying westerly and not to the northeast. At that point, the copilot made an announcement that the plane had been diverted due to weather. The passengers were not alarmed or panicked; in fact, most of them continued to doze.

At about this point, the captain awoke. He quickly recognized that the plane was hundreds of miles off its planned route and headed out into the southern Indian Ocean. He asked the copilot what had happened. The copilot initially placated the pilot by saying that the plane had been diverted. Soon thereafter, the pilot noticed the plane's transponder had been shut off. Agitated, he began questioning the copilot further and an argument ensued, which escalated to a violent struggle. In the course of that struggle, the control of the plane was lost and it crashed into the ocean below.

Not great, but it's the best I can do. *Unusual* doesn't even begin to describe this thing.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:01:31 PM
OK, here goes: I'm going to propound a theory on Flight 370 based on what I've read online. This is 90% conjecture and speculation. And the remaining 10% was pulled out of my little squirrel butt.

The younger copilot got caught up with a terrorist group, whether for financial or ideological reasons. He and the captain had a history of bending the rules. They are reported to have recently invited two attractive women into the flight deck for an entire flight, for example. On this flight, which departed after midnight, the captain quickly went to sleep, planning to awake mid-flight.

The copilot determined he would divert the flight after the Malaysian ATC had handed off the plane, but before the Vietnamese ATC had picked it up: the perfect opportunity for a plane to go missing. While the captain slept, he turned off the transponders and diverted the flight. Most of the passengers were sleeping and unaware of the change in direction.

(Cont'd)

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11699 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:00:54 PM
'According to Erwin Schrodinger, the passengers are both dead and alive at this point'

Guess that covers his expertise

paddy215
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1675 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:11:44 PM
Didn't the co-pilot in that EgyptAir one get disgraced shortly before that flight and told it would be his last?

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:53:53 PM
@ Andrew155: I imagine you've read the speculation that the plane was stolen by terrorists "for later use." That's a disturbing scenario. But then if the plane didn't crash, how do you land such a thing without anyone knowing about it? From what I've read, you need an airstip at least one mile long for a 777. That's generally going to mean an airport, civilian or militiary, or a major highway.

Since there isn't even a *rumor* of this thing landing safely, then... what? Was it an attempt at stealing a plane that went wrong and they wound up crashing in the ocean? *Which* ocean?

Ohmigosh. I'm really shaking my head over this thing.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:33:27 PM
@ Dagfizz: "According to Erwin Schrodinger, the passengers are both dead and alive at this point."

*whoosh* ~passes paw quickly over forehead~

Could you explain that one for me? Totally went over my head. And the Wikipedia entry on Schrodinger isn't helping.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:08:16 PM
The black box doesn't transmit a signal that they can lock onto. There were multiple systems that were turned off at different times. The first was the transponder. This is easy to turn off, it's just a switch near the pilot's seat. However, you would only turn it off if you had malicious intent. Without the transponder, your aircraft is harder to trace.

Then they turned of the ACARS like 15 minutes later. That takes a bit more effort. And I think they turned even further systems off. Nothing good way done to it.

But I don't know why they would go through all this effort just to crash the plane into the Indian ocean. So - maybe it got stolen?

dagfizz
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 19 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:57:57 PM
@Squrlz4Sale: "Are the passengers alive or dead?"

According to Erwin Schrodinger, the passengers are both dead and alive at this point.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:36:46 PM
@ Paperduck: For me, the astonishing thing about this story is that *no one* knows where a large Boeing 777 went. *No one*. They don't know if it's landed or if it's crashed. They don't even know what *ocean* they should be searching in, for heaven's sake.

I can't remember an aviation mystery as big as this one in my lifetime.

(Wow, I'm chatty tonight. That third coffee is really kicking in!)


Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:20:48 PM
@ Paperduck: I *think* the black boxes simply record all the data of the flight for later analysis in the event of a crash. I don't believe they have any ability to send a GPS signal during the flight.

I have zero credentials in this area, so take this with a truckload of salt.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:09:10 PM
There is going to be immense speculation in this threat, I have seen it.

But yeah, probably a hijacking. Circumstances are bizarre. Why would you fly for 5+ hours only to just crash it into the ocean? It's possible for a hijacker to learn to fly it well, or it's possible for them to compel an experienced pilot to do their will. Or it could be the younger pilot who was being weird with the Australian girls.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1707 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:06:01 PM
No one knows exactly what happened to flight 370. Despite what top investigator tedgp over here has to say, there are inconsistencies to the hijacking scenario.

@Squirlz doesn't the black box transmit data and cannot be turned off? Also it disappeared from surface to air radar (which you cannot "turn off" from the plane). That indicates a mid-air total demise. The mystery is no wreckage. But again, no one knows exactly what happened.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1707 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:57:21 PM
The DB Cooper one is slightly wrong, he bailed over Washington or Oregon somewhere. They found some stash of the money years later in the forests where he jumped but nothing else.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:50:12 PM
@ Tedgp: Ah. No mystery then. Carry on, everyone! Ted's determined that the mystery of Flight 370 is solved.

tedgp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3283 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:41:24 PM
Squirlz maybe you should watch the news sometimes and not the biased ones. The authorities have already said that it was hijacked and they kept track of it for several hours until it fell off the radar.

As with all hijackings, nobody will know who did it until they are caught or until a relevant party admits to it.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:28:13 PM
@ Ba12348 addendum: In case you, or anyone else for that matter, are wondering how you could create an autonomous GPS transponder that can't be deactivated, here's one approach:

Built into the plane's vertical stabilizer, you could have a small air intake passing air through a small turbine hooked up to a generator, which would power the transponder. The transponder would be accessible only from the exterior of the aircraft. As long as the jet is moving through the air, the transponder has power and no one other than Superman is going to be able to access it.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:19:16 PM
@ Ba12348: It certainly appears that the plane was hijacked. But the latest stories I'm reading make the case that the flight path the airliner took after departing from its planned route used GPS waypoints in a way that only an experienced pilot could program into the plane's computers. In other words, it was a methodically and expertly created new course and *not* what you would expect if a pilot were being forced to fly the plane. Because of this, many experts believe either the pilots themselves hijacked the plane or that whoever hijacked it had extensive flight training.

From what I've read, the two people who were using stolen passports are no longer suspected of being involved.

It's an astonishing story, that's for sure.

It also tells me that autonomous GPS transponders that cannot be deactivated *by anyone* while a passenger jet is in the air are long overdue.

ba12348
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 142 Posts
Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:46:12 PM
@Squrlz4Sale: Iranians with stolen passports on board the Malaysian plane? Sure makes me wonder...

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