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What Was The Holocaust?

Hits: 2857 | Rating: (1.8) | Category: Misc. | Added by: 5Cats
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BigWaFuu
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1165 Posts
Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:28:21 PM
lol @ the girl who said "I dunno, it was WW2 so like 1800s? 300 years ago?" nice.

The interviewer lost me when she asked more particular questions beyond basic knowledge. Many people wouldn't retain very specific information about any event such as terms or names of camps unless they were self proclaimed experts.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14515 Posts
Friday, October 25, 2013 11:16:39 PM
@Sleepyhallow "Given studies on intelligence, Ollie, It's the stupider the more Conservative."

SH, if you seriously believe that, you're part of the problem.

TheOrigin
Male, 18-29, Europe
 501 Posts
Friday, October 25, 2013 3:44:30 PM
@McG: by isolationist you mean supporting both sides of the war for profit until directly involved?

If that sh*tbrain ensemble spearheaded by Chamberlain had not lead the policy of appeasement and had not betrayed their allies, the war could have been entirely different.

Also, there were far worse atrocities commited during, before and after WWII by all parties, like the Ukrainian famine by the judeo-bolscheviks, rape of Nanking by the Japanese and so much more. The exterminations were targeted at jews, gypsies, slavs, communists, intellectuals and several other groups which deserve at least equal recognition.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13477 Posts
Friday, October 25, 2013 10:00:09 AM
I know what is being said is true, but it's being said in an incredibly biased manner.


How is fact biased?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13477 Posts
Friday, October 25, 2013 9:59:08 AM
they seem to be doing fine not giving a poo about the state of the soviets being killed by their regimes


Ya all those countries in Europe sure came to save the day too! We should've stayed isolationist you'll bitch about anything.

dognose82
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 149 Posts
Friday, October 25, 2013 9:54:08 AM
So let me get this straight, a Jewish woman wants to make sure that schools in PA will stretch already skim budgets, time, and resources to make sure the Holocaust is covered in detail. Even though what we refer to as The Holocaust is only a small fraction of the atrocities that were committed in Europe, Africa, and Asia. Depending on the source you will find between 5 and 8 million Jews being killed during the years leading up to and during WWII. In his years in power Stalin is credited with about 20 million Russians. The Allies killed between 3-5 million German and Japanese civilians. The Chinese as low as 7 million and as high as 16 million civilians killed during WWII.

Basically focusing on one crimes against one ethnic population in history class is about as racist as it comes. To cover the horrible events of the past with anymore than a few pages is impossible. Here in Indiana, history class covers it, but not with any great detail.

C_Frost
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 122 Posts
Friday, October 25, 2013 9:31:48 AM
these kids are morons and an embarrassment to the school. at the very least any gamer would know the answers. she cherry picked the dumbest to make her poit

Sleepyhallow
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1851 Posts
Friday, October 25, 2013 12:28:56 AM
Given studies on intelligence, Ollie, It's the stupider the more Conservative.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14515 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:24:41 PM
Guess how they vote.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12401 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:47:47 PM
Forgive and forget. Let bygones be bygones. All the affected parties are gone, so let's move on.

The lessons of the Holocaust are already lost on Israel.

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 5:28:29 PM
Why should Americans give a poo about the state of the Jews in WWII, they seem to be doing fine not giving a poo about the state of the soviets being killed by their regimes, or any other victims of genocide for that matter. This is just scare mongering and brainwashing in order to get people to support a terrorist zionist state. I know what is being said is true, but it's being said in an incredibly biased manner.

I would also like to know where there is genocide today, and how that relates to Israel.

This video does show that Americans don't know poo about WWII in general, which is not really surprising honestly. I guess that's one good thing about this video.

I'm all for people learning about the holocaust and WWII, but not in a manner that makes Jews the center of the world. The holocaust killed 11 million people, not 6 million. Around 20 million died under Stalin.

I don't disrespect the holocaust, my great grandfather was imprisoned for being a

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3546 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:59:42 PM
I guess I can understand if their intention was to teach the history of the Civil War era vs. the Civil War specifically, since you have to have some understanding of the general life to understand the era. Of course, I have no idea, at all, of what their plan was.
That's an old adage, about not forgetting your history. One well worth remembering!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25847 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:45:06 PM
Are they taught about World War 2? Maybe they think it's an old video game; came out a few years after World War 1!


That's funny stuff right there @broizfam! Comedy Gold!

I read, ages ago, that the NEW standard US Civil War 'Unit' consists of EQUAL parts: Women, Blacks, everything else. That's hardly how it happened... it was for Jr High iirc...

But anyhow? This has been going on since the 60's, and their "market dominance" is virtually total.

I think Holocaust education is important because it helps keep the memories of all the OTHER genocides alive too! If we forget history? We WILL repeat it...

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3546 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:15:43 PM
@SethDog,
Overall, I agree with you but it seems reasonable to at least teach that it existed. I understand that there's an awful lot to teach and only a limited amount of time to do it effectively. That means you probably can't fit it in as a new History "Unit". But to not even be taught that it happened in Germany during World War 2? Are they taught about World War 2? Maybe they think it's an old video game; came out a few years after World War 1!

SethDog
Male, 18-29, Australia
 760 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:18:16 PM
Sorry, but she seems like a bit of a bitch.. Yes the holocaust is important to her and she knows all about it. The average person can't be expected to know everything about all important events in history. Why does this HAVE to be taught in school, if people want to know about it they can watch the history channel or something.

CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2076 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:10:03 PM
Public education is a joke.
I was homeschooled by 'hippie' parents- well, mostly my mother, who had a public high school education, and who often told us kids she learned more trying to put together a curriculum, than she did in school. But the most important things she taught us was, we CAN learn, and we can teach ourselves.
In public schools, it seems that being able to recite facts- whether you understand them or not, or even are able to place them in any context- is the important thing. Form over substance.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3546 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:47:37 PM
@drawman61,
And evolution, too, don't forget.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13477 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:43:01 PM
College/University is a place for people to go so they can hang out and act like idiots, then get a paper to brag about. It is only one of many ways to learn.


It can make it easier to learn having someone to help on things. Beside that piece of paper is what employers look for some places might think your just talking from your ass without it.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6099 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:17:45 PM
This happened outside America, how on earth would they know that?
It's a myth like the dinosaurs isn't it?

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3546 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:24:42 PM
"Re-Write History: From Marx to Stalin to Mao to Alinsky = It's what liberals DO! "

C'mon, 5Cats. That was a dumb over-conservative comment worthy of Ollie. After all, conservatives are trying to get "Intelligent Design" (ie.: Creationism) taught as science in school.
Also, I don't know that they're trying to emphasize blacks, women, etc. (not countering your point, just don't actually know) vs. trying to at least include them, as they should be. There may, of course, be differing levels of emphasis in some areas. And, of course, that may be appropriate, too, depending on where, why, how, etc.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4604 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:58:56 AM
@McGovern1981:
"So I taught myself programming and a bunch of computer information systems stuff?? Interesting."
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It can easily be done. I've taught myself everything from advanced hardware to computer programming, networking and server/database management. I even taught myself how to program a robot arm and became in the only person in Canada that knew how to do it. I've taught myself about biology, physics, medicine and law and several other subjects just by reading the books. And I taught myself how to play guitar, bass, drums, piano and a few other instruments to the point that I was able to be a teacher.

College/University is a place for people to go so they can hang out and act like idiots, then get a paper to brag about. It is only one of many ways to learn.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13477 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:11:50 AM
Also even if you were never taught it in school how the hell could you have not at some point heard anything about it?!?! What bubble do these people live in?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13477 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:06:58 AM
And I'm specifically referring to those who mommy and daddy pay to go live at college for 4 years- not having to work or be at all responsible for anything. They are there for the parties. The social aspects.



Essshh way to make me feel old! It was about 8 years ago and that happened then too though but they proceeded to fail out. Do they have a everyone gets a gold star program now? I have a frat douche of a cousin who's doing that at BU now to the tune of about $60k a year and yes failed the first year. Wise investment cause a community college would be beneath him for that....

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5851 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:40:12 AM
But 5cats- I taught my kids- me- and by your standards I am very liberal indeed. I taught my kids- so why do other parents not do the same. I am not alone- the holocaust, the Stamford prison experiment etc- all standard fare for teenagers.. maybe the school does not teach this stuff but parents bloody well should.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25847 Posts
Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:37:00 AM
@McThstlpnts: Even in "Conservative States" the school system is DOMINATED by "Liberals". The Universities (other than private, Christian ones) are LIBERAL-RUN. With over 80% of the staff being "left-leaning". It's a fact.

@sutra46: oh, I DO KNOW you might have meant something else But I chose to see things that way!

@madduck: Schools in North America (Canada, USA & Mexico) do NOT teach kids how to think: only to repeat what they are told. This has been going on since I went to grade school in the 70's! It's not new at all.
Deviation from the "lesson plan" (which is heavily LEFT) is punished.

@AGit: I was mostly 'pulling your leg' But the US and Spain's schools are literally "oceans apart" eh?

@HalfPintRoo is correct! (Not that @McGovern is wrong though) MANY (but not all) youths think University is a 4 year vacation...

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