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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:00:34 AM
@MeGrendel

Thank you for the information, but I don't see how it's got anything to do with dubtac's choice of language.

In my book, dubtac doesn't get excused for using racial epithets because someone else is getting away with it.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3642 Posts
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:06:05 AM
Musuko42-"I don't know who Nagin is or know what he said"

Who he is: Clarence Ray Nagin, Jr. Democratic Mayor of New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, who managed to royally screw up the city's preperations, handling and response to the hurricane. His ineptitude was directly responsible for many of New Orleans deaths during Katrina.

AFTER Katrina he said in a speech: "We as black people, it's time, it's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild a New Orleans, the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans. And I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day. New Orleans will be a majority African-American city. It's the way God wants it to be."

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:43:35 AM
@dubtac

"SKIDMARK Nagin says this is a chocolate city and you just avoid it by redacting with rhetorical questions."

I don't know who Nagin is or know what he said, so I didn't express an opinion on him. I saw what you said, though, so I expressed my opinion.

"What you really wanted to ask..."

I was trying to point out to you that if you talk in a way that makes people think you're an ignorant bigot, (regardless of whether you are or not) they're going to treat you like one, and you're going to struggle to get anyone to take you seriously.

And I was trying to get you to wonder whether you're not listened to by the people in power because of how you speak.

"this has to do with FREEDOM from BIGOTRY"

I'm not sure how you expect to be free from others inflicting bigotry on you, when you yourself use racial epithets that others would consider bigotry against them. Do unto others?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:34:31 AM
@5Cats

"And how do you KNOW he isn't BLACK?"

I don't. But I made what I felt was a fair assumption based on him saying that "whitey" wasn't welcome there. I infered that he was talking about himself.

"Tell me how ANYONE could build a site which crashes under a load of 2,000?"

Poor programming/support isn't the sole preserve of government bodies. *cough*Simcity2013*cough*

dubtac
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 28 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:22:13 PM
@Muksuko42 "The question I asked you was whether or not you believe politicans/government/the people in power would consider him vulgar and racist, and whether they would be less inclined to pay attention to his views because of their impression of him."
The question you asked was meant to stay introverted but you still defecated the question anyway. If you couldn't see the obvious that I really don't give two flying feces throwing baboons about what you or what any government, politician or principality has to say, FREEDOM isn't a POPULARITY CONTEST, this has to do with FREEDOM from BIGOTRY presented from all walks of life.
SKIDMARK Nagin says this is a chocolate city and you just avoid it by redacting with rhetorical questions.
What you really wanted to ask "Is DUBTAC a RACIST?".... Can I confirm he's a Racist?.. If I decide he is a Racist how to call him out as an RACIST?....
You're right Musuko42 I'm racist I can't even stand my own Stereotype

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21942 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:31:00 PM
This is amazing (if true):

Know how many views it took to crash the ASA Website?
2,000,000?
200,000?

Guess Again! It Took 2,000 Views!

And BOOM! Down it went! Tell me how ANYONE could build a site which crashes under a load of 2,000? Was that a design feature?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21942 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:40:31 PM
@Musuko42: He's speaking in his "regional dialect" It's like a Canadian saying "eh" eh?

And how do you KNOW he isn't BLACK? If he is? The "Rule OF Political Correctness" say it's A-OK for him to use "colourful words"

See what I did there? Coloured? Colourful words to describe coloured people? I'm a genius!

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3642 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:49:52 AM
Musuko42-" asked you was whether or not you believe politicans/government/the people in power would consider him vulgar and racist"

Again, to the politicans/government/the people in power 'vulgar' and 'racist' are fluid terms.

They would only find him 'vulgar and racist' if he was a white, heterosexual male who voted for the wrong party.

If he's a minority/voter/celebrity or donates enough, he can say anything he damn well pleases and will be defended to the ends of the earth. (examples: Anthony Weiner, Joe '7-11' Biden, Harry 'Negro Dialect' Reid, Jay-'no whites allowed'-Z,)

On the other hand, if he votes for the wrong party, he can be called a racist without even saying anything.

DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2537 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:40:47 AM
@Musuko42, of course those parties would find @dubtac's words vulgar and/or racist. But they would only focus on one "race"*. They would completely ignore the usage of "cracker". And they would be wrong.

*Note: I don't believe in race. Skin color, yes; culture, yes; race, no.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:15:20 AM
@MeGrendel

I didn't ask whether or not you disagree with his use of the terms, or whether or not you think they're vulgar or racist.

The question I asked you was whether or not you believe politicans/government/the people in power would consider him vulgar and racist, and whether they would be less inclined to pay attention to his views because of their impression of him.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3642 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:03:56 AM
Musuko42-"Whether you agree with his use of those epithets or not, do you agree or disagree with the above view?"

I dissagree with it, and will make determination on a case by case basis.

For one reason, 'vulger' and 'racist' are fluid concepts that change depending on usage and user. (example: certain words that are used on a hip-hop album with no problem are oftened deemed 'racist' if others use them. Thus, the words themselves are not racist nor vulger.)

The reason I didn't have a problem with his statement is he didn't single out one demographic, and his statement (to me) was an obvious reference to something a former mayor had said. NO's main problem is it's well advanced slide into democrat pollicie.

Had he said something along the lines of 'it's the spades' fault NO is a trash heap', then I would have considered that to be racist.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:25:23 AM
@MeGrendel

Can we go back to my original point:

I suggested that the powers that be do not take ubtac's views seriously because he is the kind of person who uses vulger racist epithets.

Whether you agree with his use of those epithets or not, do you agree or disagree with the above view?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3642 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:05:32 AM
Musuko42-"With offensive epithets used."

My original version said 'While not politically correct...', but got lost in re-typing.

I don't worry too much about someone who calls every single demographic by it's less than PC epithet. Had he specified just one that would have demonstrated bias.

I would have added 'Coon-ass', and I doubt there is a single coon-ass in LA that would be offended by being called such.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:21:56 AM
@MeGrendel

"Pretty much an accurate description of the demographics of Nawlins."

With offensive epithets used. Did you not notice that was what I was pointing out as being the problem?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3642 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:54:04 AM
Musuko42-"You speak like that..."

Then you're not paying attention.

"aka Chocolate City": Mayor Nagin (black Democrat) called it that.

"whitey is not welcomed": Mayor Nagin also insinuated that with the above.

"its a poo hole": It is.

"with high taxes": It has.

"with a coon, a cracker,a wetback, and a zipperhead problem": Pretty much an accurate description of the demographics of Nawlins.

There is a REASON why New Orleans had the hardest time after Katrina, and it wasn't because it was hardest hit (which it was not). It's because NO was one of the great socialist experiments..where the majority are on the dole and waited for Momma Government to take care of them.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:49:56 AM
@dubtac

"aka Chocolate City so whitey is not welcomed and its a poo hole with high taxes,with a coon, a cracker,a wetback, and a zipperhead problem"

You speak like that...and you wonder why you aren't listened to by the people in power?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:47:12 AM
@5Cats

"Why? Because it "offends their liberal sensitivities" to consider a perspective OTHER THAN the MSM's spoon-fed lies."

This is exactly what I'm getting at, 5Cats. You are not going to grow as a person if you automatically think everyone who disagrees with you does so because they are a zombie obediently following what they're told from the media, rather than actually disagreeing with you because they are another thinking human being who has thought about things just as much as you do and has reached a different point of view for valid reasons.

The more you act like that, the less we listen to you, and the more you shoot yourself in the foot when it comes to actually convincing someone to your point of view.

Remember: I'm a "liberal" in your opinion, and yet I agreed with you regards Zimmerman. You're talking to people, not labels.

bliznik
Male, 30-39, Western US
 437 Posts
Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:46:33 AM
"the government is just trying to figure out how to cash in on the people who live outside the concrete jungles"

I think the problem is a bit more nuanced than that.
- The Dems are ideally trying to reign in healthcare costs without pissing of businesses who rake in $$$ b/c healthcare has an inelastic demand curve
- The Dems are ideally trying to get tax $$$ to pay for these programs by trying to restore previous tax levels without pissing off businesses/people who have used tax loopholes to pay much less in taxes than they have before
- The Dems are ideally trying to make the problem more transparent by forcing everyone to see how much $$$ they're paying and see how healthcare costs correlate with one another.

I say "ideally" because even tho' Dems look like they're trying to do these things, they're still in the pocket of big businesses and are making very limited progress towards these goals.

dubtac
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 28 Posts
Monday, October 21, 2013 11:44:07 PM
This isn't about 5cats, this is about a fundemental change in geopolitcal societies thought processes. Its a real simple concept to grasp more people are condensed into metropolitan areas so they have more political representation for just a relatively small area couple square miles counts for an entire states electoral votes.
When this happens the large metropolitan areas speak for our entire land mass including alaska and hawaii.
Lets face it if you can afford to live in a city you can afford healthcare and should have to pay for it. For me the nearest city is New Orleans aka Chocolate City so whitey is not welcomed and its a poo hole with high taxes,with a coon, a cracker,a wetback, and a zipperhead problem.
Alas this isnt the problem, the government is just trying to figure out how to cash in on the people who live outside the concrete jungles. Thats the problem people who still believe in personal responsibilities don't get heard in the halls of our government.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21942 Posts
Monday, October 21, 2013 8:51:31 PM
@WhoDat: So a STATE PROGRAM isn't mentioned on a graph about the FEDERAL PROGRAM and you claim this makes it "false"?

THEY ARE TWO SEPERATE THINGS! Of course this chart doesn't count the STATE-RUN EXCHANGES! Jesus Tapdancing Christ! It doesn't count Siberia either! I looked it up: NY State has it's OWN sign-up site, NOT THE ONE THIS GRAPHIC COVERS! Sheesh!

claiming it's 100% correct.

Noooo, I've rarely made THAT assertion!

It's "The Interwebs" after all! An ounce of caution is ALWAYS required! I've been falsely accused of this though, like... JUST NOW for example!

And that 40,000? Did they BUY insurance? The final step? Or did they "complete registration" which is NOT?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21942 Posts
Monday, October 21, 2013 8:41:22 PM
It is that you post THE SAME right wing stuff about THE SAME TOPIC.


@HolyGod: I've heard ALL this before, it's nothing new! It's the SAME "silencing tactics" the left has ALWAYS used!

When I posted "pro-Zimmerman" posts? It was "too many, too racist, not factual, biased sources" & etc. SAME. DAMN. THING I'm hearing now!
Why? Because it "offends their liberal sensitivities" to consider a perspective OTHER THAN the MSM's spoon-fed lies.

ObamaCare is a multi-trillion dollar DISASTER! Of course it's interesting to talk about it! And while the MSM support goes entirely to "one side"? That doesn't mean I have to agree with them. If that makes my opinion "unpopular" with the IAB-LB? Tough! They don't like me anyhow! NO MATTER WHAT I POST.

I don't come here to make liberals happy. That's not "my job" or even my problem!

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Monday, October 21, 2013 3:43:28 PM
According to wikipedia every state in the country has compulsory insurance except mississippi.


That should read: Mississipi, New Hampshire, and Virginia.
New Hampshire requires the party at fault to pay the judgment levied against them
Virginia allows gives you the option of an uninsured vehicle fee.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4469 Posts
Monday, October 21, 2013 2:48:35 PM
Cajun

"Interestingly enough there really is no significant statistical difference between states that mandate insurance and those that don't."

"States" that don't? You mean "state"? According to wikipedia every state in the country has compulsory insurance except mississippi.


bliznik
Male, 30-39, Western US
 437 Posts
Monday, October 21, 2013 2:44:42 PM
"The reason 5Cats is attacked is because he posts false, misleading and/or partial information, claiming it's 100% correct."

I'm not sure even 5Cats believes that all of his posts are 100% correct. Most propaganda is hyperbolic in order to get a point across. Is this chart misleading to somebody who doesn't understand how statisticians can twist the facts? Absolutely. But whatever. It's propaganda. The point is that the website sucks, even if the numbers are tweaked to exaggerate how much it sucks.

Both liberals and conservatives know that it sucks, and 5Cats has repeated the SAME THING in many different ways, causing us to downvote his posts every time he repeats himself. I think that's the right thing to do. When somebody posts new content that is interesting, I upvote. When somebody posts new content that is repetitive and boring, I downvote.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Monday, October 21, 2013 2:42:52 PM
@whodat

Tally up all the numbers here and so far only 81049 that's still NOT a lot of people compared to New York's initially uninsured. If you noticed I excluded Maryland because they say "received eligibility determination" not the same as "insured".

[quote">How many people do you really think would buy car insurance if it wasn't mandated?[/quote">

Interestingly enough there really is no significant statistical difference between states that mandate insurance and those that don't.

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