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Hits: 7673 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: McDuff73
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Lebowski42
Male, 18-29, Western US
 67 Posts
Monday, October 14, 2013 1:30:57 PM
Coming from a country who gains much of its revenue by acting as a tax haven...

liabach
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1673 Posts
Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:48:26 AM
it already basically is this way in america, except we use a hierarchical logarithm for equality

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:24:39 PM
old ollie, you mean in that plutocracy you call the united states of america? where you can get rich on empoverished citizens, where corruption is indeed wide spread?

see, you are mistaken into thinking that america is a capitalistic country, cause this is basicly what you keep getting told, but capitalism means no government bail outs for companies. But bail outs happen a lot in the good olde us of a, hence, plutocracy, not capitalism.
And you are right that a lot of countries are corrupt, thoug i doubt socialism is the root cause or this, but if it were, the scandinavic countries must be riddled with corruption, kinda like germany, the netherlands, belgium, they must be floating on it as it were. Are they? for what they are is this, a socialistic democracy, hell, some even still have a royal family, how archeic is that, cant posibly work, right?

oh, and just to make sure, for everyone, that was indeed sarcasm, not to good at it but still

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14826 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 2:25:54 PM
How is it "better for poor people" if the greedy bastards at the top keep all the money and do nothing to improve the lives of the poor?

It wouldn't be if the world really worked the way it does in your pernicious, collectivist worldview. In the real world, you can't get rich if all your customers are impoverished.

The only places in the world where the rich get richer while the poor get poorer is in corrupt, centrally planned, socialist $#!+holes like you want to turn us into.

Capitalism requires a free market with prosperous customers to buy products and services in order for the rich to get richer. Socialism, on the other hand, only requires thugs with guns.

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:18:50 PM
A) how do they punish Google, Starbucks, Apple CEO's since theyre not Swiss and make more money than god?

B) what prevents them from packing up and opening shop elsewhere? Obviously not all would be able to compete in a new and foreign market, but certainly some of these CEOs could.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:54:11 AM

SQUIRRELS OF THE WORLD, UNITE! WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR NUTS!


Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:29:17 AM
oh, and ollie, your attempt to insult, even by using fancy words, failed. you have neither earned or gathered the right to insult anyone. I know you keep trying, but i thought i just mention it.

i will leave you with a bit of wisdom to contemplate over. Those above me do not want to insult me, those below me cannot insult me. In the end, i am not the one to decide wether someone is above me or below me, only they can with their actions.

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:26:54 AM
And, Old Ollie, making the gap between the top and the bottom bigger is not only a result of the income crisis, its also what destabilizes a country, an ec0onomy and indeed, social coherency. it becomes easier to make the step into crime, for all involved, poor because they need to keep their head above the water, rich because, well, if a lot of peeps do it, they can get away with it. This has happened in the past time and again. This was the main reason several banks fled europe to the new country in the 1800 and this is why its a bad thing.. so to recap, are rich peeps bad? No, but once the greed kicks in, they can become bad. Are poor people bad? no, but if they feel tehy have no choice, they will have to do what they feel they have to do.
Is this the society you want, well, there you go. I for one do not want a society like that, i am more inclined to support the swiss in this. And this is the 4th post i made, cause i lost all the others and i got to lazy to retype it again

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:06:43 AM
kvetcher, the current economic crisis started with the fall of lehman and fanny may, both were not big in cuba, burma and north korea
And mc govern, you are right, there is very little in the way to sto[- company owners to pay themselves ( and their personal ) what ever they want, hence the rule change. take it or leave.
And Madduck, i hate to admit it, but i fear you are very right

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12607 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:53:54 PM
"Open up a newspaper and look for any job that isn't part time, minimum wage. It may have been designed for high school kids, but it's what most of us wind up with. Those greedy corporate bastards won't hire much else now a days."

You need to better yourself.

Partly it's down to the economy. You need to do your part in fixing that, too.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 8:43:36 PM
MeGrendel:
"It was never designed as a livable wage."
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Open up a newspaper and look for any job that isn't part time, minimum wage. It may have been designed for high school kids, but it's what most of us wind up with. Those greedy corporate bastards won't hire much else now a days.

Thanks to the greed of the company owners, there is not much left for us out there. It's take the crappy jobs and like it. You're seeing more and more people with University degrees, flipping burgers and selling clothing because that's all that's out there. But you guys keep your heads in the clouds. Pretend it's not happening because you were one of the lucky ones who snuck through. The old "If I can do it, so can you" line that is completely devoid of any real experience or understanding of the real World. You have a lot to learn about the way things really work.

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5264 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 2:27:52 PM
"Hint, the guy shutting down the orphanage while twisting his moustache, is the bad guy."
I NEVER TOUCHED MY GODDAMNED MUSTACHE!!! And those orphans had it coming because no one paid the mortgage...

chicagojay
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1989 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 1:44:59 PM
Fact: Nope

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4769 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 1:41:53 PM
patchouly-"try working 12 hours shifts for minimum wage and see how long you last before you start realizing how corperate greed and the abuse of your employees"

I've done that, and I was never dumb enough to believe that the fact I was working long hours for minimum had anything to do with 'corperate greed' (it was because I had zero job skills), nor did I consider it as abuse (I considered it an oportunity).

Took me about a day to realize 'Hey, this suck'. Was the first thing that popped into my head 'Hey, the company boss is screwing me'? No, it was 'I'm gonna develope some job skills so I DON'T HAVE TO work for crappy wages'..

And quite trying to compare cost of living with minimum wage. Minimum wage is for school kids. It was never designed as a livable wage.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 12:12:14 PM
Hint, the guy shutting down the orphanage while twisting his moustache, is the bad guy.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 12:11:03 PM
The problem I have, McGovern1981, is that both sides are screwed. You can't take money away from the rich and you can't give money to the poor. So...what do you do? One side is going to have to suck it up. The big difference is, if you take the money from the rich, they can buy one less house. If you take it from the poor, they can't afford to buy healthy food for their kids. So...what's worse? Making a fat cat pay taxes and give his employees a proper wage or let that poor guy who is working 12 hours a week, in a back breaking job, tell his kid that they can't afford dinner tonight? Which would you say is the lesser of two evils?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13541 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:48:15 AM
Shooting that it's a "Socialist way of thinking" doesn't help the problem. It just ignores it and tries to put down anyone who wants to fix it.


Well ya that's why it's "I can't belive it's not Communism" it's the new light spread of wealth for all! It's flawed and when you put polices like that in place they can have some big economic repercussions all I see here are loopholes like their banking system.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:43:34 AM
@McGovern1981:
"This is also true I suppose both sides do it."
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Wow! You've seemed extra civil this afternoon. Makes me feel like I could have an actual discussion with you without both of us resorting to name calling. Might be a nice change.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13541 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:35:14 AM
That's not unique to the left. Look at how liberally (ho ho) CrakrJak and 5Cats (and others) bandy about the liberal label.


This is also true I suppose both sides do it.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:33:43 AM
OldOllie
What's more threatening is if the people at the people at the BOTTOM are doing worse by an objective, not a relative, standard. Rich people doing better always makes life better poor people.
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That's a wonderful theory but about as realistic as Santa Clause and God.

How is it "better for poor people" if the greedy bastards at the top keep all the money and do nothing to improve the lives of the poor? How is it better if, instead of trickling down the abundance, they keep it all for themselves and write laws so they pay no taxes too. How is it better that poor people can't even afford to buy healthy food?

Get your head out of your a$$.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14826 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:23:54 AM
@McGovern1981, the reason I can't believe it's not communism is because it actually is.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:20:06 AM
@McGovern1981

"Why is it when lefts hear someone who disagrees with them they label you instantly?"

That's not unique to the left. Look at how liberally (ho ho) CrakrJak and 5Cats (and others) bandy about the liberal label.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14826 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:18:49 AM
@Modwain I cant think of anything as threathening to a society as an increasing gap between the most wealthy and the most poor.

I must say, I admire your honesty in admitting your cognitive deficiencies. Let me explain it for you.

What's more threatening is if the people at the people at the BOTTOM are doing worse by an objective, not a relative, standard. Rich people doing better always makes life better poor people.

Poor people plant crops with pointed sticks and harvest them with sharp rocks; rich people build tractor factories so poor people can afford food.

Poor people die from common infections; rich people build pharmaceutical companies so poor people can have life-saving drugs.

Poor people walk wherever they go. Rich people build car companies so poor people can drive.

Poor people communicate with drums and smoke signals; rich people build cellular networks so poor people can have phones.

Get it?

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:17:58 AM
The main issue, as I've seen it, is that a lot of Conservatives group anyone who is not making at least $50,000 a year into the "Lazy" category. Sure, there are a ton of people out there that don't make money because they don't work enough. But there are also a lot of people out there that work their asses off but, because of greedy bosses, don't make enough money to live on. They live off their credit cards or, as I said, resort to crime. This is why there is a trend toward higher debts and higher crime rates. It only gets worse from here.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:14:38 AM
"Shouting" not "Shooting". Stupid spell checker.

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