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infantry0
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 163 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 5:22:58 PM
*sammich

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:44:06 PM
@gauddit

i just thought of this, and i have a hunch it might do you good to hear and see it.
Mad tv sketch
it has some great insights and i found i very helpfull (i'm serious btw)

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:34:23 PM
@gauddith

I tried leveling it out for ya, i tried to offer you another viewpoint. right now i'm going to say the following: Keep making it your mantra, you seem to enjoy fixating on that thought. and i hope it brings you what you need.

bdowner60
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 377 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:34:16 PM
Desperation at self victimization at its best!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 12:23:46 PM
@Gauddith

What I've said is that even when I am not doing things like this I fear being raped.

I get this. God, I get this. You keep saying it and I keep "getting" it. Say it some more and I'll get it then too.

That sucks. You shouldn't have to. However, you always will have to; there is no solution. You will always be the physically weaker sex. We will always be the testosterone-driven, more aggressive sex.

You're being ultra-idealistic. Men will never stop raping women; this doesn't mean that I, or any other specific man, supports or encourages rape. We abhor it; it could be our mothers, sisters, or even daughters. That doesn't mean we can completely stop other men from trying to rape women.

We can - and should - teach our boys to treat women with respect. We also should teach our daughters to take reasonable precautions to lower their risk of being raped.

Chaoskitty
Female, 18-29, Europe
 204 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 12:10:17 PM
Yep

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 12:05:59 PM
This is where rape culture comes from. This inequality in the legal system. The group of rapists will get out of it. They will walk away and probably do it again. It's a game to them, a sexual fantasy gone too far. Instead of trying to seek help, because of a serious problem they look for the next high. The reality is that the genders are different, and it's accepting those differences and not taking advantage of one another. You should be sickened by your fellow man's ability to perpetrate such acts of violation instead of trying to place the responsibility, even partly, on the victim.

@MrOrange Excuse me, but that's the absolute most twisted form of logic I have ever read. You do understand women face the same kind of crime as men, and also face the fear of rape right? You also understand that rape doesn't just happen, women do fight it. Rape is a violent, disgusting act.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 12:02:21 PM
@Gauddith

seeing as to what emotions this topic brings out in you, and refering to your real life situation. Is it possible for you to change work/ workhours? cuz this amount of stress doesn't sound healthy?
and if you can avoid it, please do so.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 12:02:14 PM
I want to face the facts - it is clear to me that a rapist, much like a sociopath, is not the type to "seek help" for themselves by and large. Rapist tendencies should be (and I believe are) classified as a behavioral disorder, much like paedophilia. If multiple offenders were castrated instead of "rehabilitated" in prisons where they themselves would be subject to rape, maybe there wouldn't be so many offenses. You're both right.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:59:35 AM
@gaudith

if i walk into a certian part of town after dark..
i won't walk out again. Should i be held responsible for that? NO. is is stupid of me to go there after dark? duhh...

we don't live in an ideal world, and no matter what argument you use will change that. Do i think you're right? absoF**kinglutly. does this change the fact that *you* need to take care of *you*? no, it doesn't.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:55:15 AM
@thubanstar

Why don't you read the beauty myth by naomi wolf? it might suprise you to learn that judging women on their appearance is something set in motion and maintianed by .. women.

but hey, your right, we don't have to worry about our looks (yet, or do we?) just make sure we can provide right?

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:55:06 AM
Lies perpetrated by the group to make her feel like it was her fault, or to keep her from going to the authorities. She will spend the rest of her life hating herself and wanting to escape her own skin because of what she felt was her mistake, and someone like you would sit and agree with that? It was partly her fault because she was there. She should have known better.

Well let me go to a different extreme for a moment. Someone gets drunk, and shoots one of his friends at the party, the person whom he shot was blackout drunk and passed out. He had no ability to defend himself, now he is dead. His fault for getting blackout drunk and then dying? Yes, you've already said so in one of your posts, he is partly responsible. Only the court won't see it that way. Because he is not partly responsible. Most people agree with this. But a girl getting raped is quite often held partly responsible. And that is acceptable because she was being lusted after?

No.

thubanstar
Female, 40-49, Southern US
 800 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:49:35 AM
Yes, and there is NO equivalent of major Beauty Pageants for men. I don't see a televised competition for attractive men age 21 to 26 in speedos showing "talent", do you?

Women still live in a world that judges them MOSTLY on looks. Men do not. You can be bald and middle aged and still have a young girl on your arm and everyone thinks it's fine. You're a big success and have grabbed the brass ring, even with your comb-over and double chin.

Cougars, on the other hand, had better be good looking, or people loose their poo over it.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:48:27 AM
"Don't even pretend like I am making bad decisions when I have to work late and on my way home three men follow me yelling disgusting things at me and making comments about rape. That is in no way acceptable"

you got it sweet, all you get ir rape, i get robbery, beatings, followed by death threats..
safety isn't a gender thing, i'm pretty sure the guy's wo work late can tell you whats it's liek to hop on a bus an sense smth nog wuite right, or walking down the street.. or etc etc..
don't get me wrong, rape sucks. but it's a bit blind sighted to say that only women need to fear for their safety.

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:46:42 AM
HumanAction: "You think a young lady who goes to a party at a frathouse where she knows nobody and gets blackout drunk is not at all responsible for being in a situation that is likely to lead to her sexual assault."

Look, stop. This is one of those times you should know when to stop. I don't care about your views on this. What I've said is that even when I am not doing things like this I fear being raped. I cannot walk home without that fear. When a man starts making cat calls or making lewd comments to his friend I shrink, I try to become invisible. This is the reality of my life.

That girl who got raped in your hypothetical? She was guilty of having fun. You have made the boys at that party out to be monsters and she just "jumped" in the cage. That's not the reality of the situation. Because the chance is she knew them, or had a friend with her. She might have been drugged by the boys, or tricked into drinking more than she intended.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:31:28 AM
@Gauddith

I suppose women should be the ones to take precautions to not get raped, god forbid men seek help and try to better themselves.

You're obviously blinded by your emotional attachment to this discussion. I have clearly - and in several attempts - stated that BOTH men and women should take necessary steps to prevent a rape from occurring. I have absolutely no idea how, at this point, you could think that I mean anything else.

Please see the following from my previous statements:

"The perpetrator is still fully responsible for the rape"
"The people performing the action (verbally assaulting you) are at fault for that"
"men and women both need to take steps to prevent rapes from happening"

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:27:39 AM
@Gauddith

OK - let's just speak plainly since you are apparently going to nitpick any analogy I come up with.

You think a young lady who goes to a party at a frathouse where she knows nobody and gets blackout drunk is not at all responsible for being in a situation that is likely to lead to her sexual assault.

I think she is responsible for being there and for getting blackout drunk. I think the men who attack her are responsible for her rape. Therefore, I think she is partially responsible for the outcome.

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:16:14 AM
@HumanAction

I'm sorry I had faith that we could have a better world. I'm sorry I thought better of your gender. Forgive me for thinking men could be held accountable for their own perversions. I'm sure that the responsibility of reducing rapes was too much for men to handle. I suppose women should be the ones to take precautions to not get raped, god forbid men seek help and try to better themselves.

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:06:07 AM
Only I don't need to go into the shark filled water, but I do need to live my life.

I'm not following your logic, it seems like you are missing a key point here. The point being, we all take precautions to not get raped. Do you understand that? That we have to do that? I have to wake up and think about how I'm going to get home because I work a late shift and I don't want to get raped that night. Even if the chances of me being raped are low, that is still a thing I have to take into consideration. Every day.

This isn't an activity I'm doing because I want to, this isn't swimming. I need to put myself out there because I want to eat, I want to be able to have a place to live. You're arguing with me. And yes I am mad about this. This isn't a choice I can make, this is the reality of my life. It should not be.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:01:37 AM
@Gauddith

I'm tired of that having to be a thing

Oohhhhh..... Now I get it! You think Nirvana is for this world. You think there is a magical solution that - tada! - no more rapes.

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Therefore, the next best option is to take reasonable measures to prevent it.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:58:51 AM
@Gauddith

I think we should find out why anyone would think such an action is acceptable and then figure out how to combat the behavior.

OK - let's clarify this point right here. We both think that women shouldn't have to live a certain way due to a fear of rape. You think women don't have any responsibility to take reasonable measures to lower their risk of getting raped - I do.

So I go to the beach - right? - and there's this sign that says "Danger: Sharks" but I'm all like "nah bro, I shouldn't have to stay out of the water because of sharks" and I jump in. Not surprisingly, I get eaten by a shark.

Your logic: We need to do something about these sharks.
My logic: We should try to keep the sharks away from the beach; also, we shouldn't swim when there are sharks in the water.

Yea... I'm going to stick with my logic.

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:58:04 AM
And you know what, I feel like it should be the same for men, men shouldn't be judged for being themselves, but because of the fear of majority we all temper ourselves into something we are not. God forbid women have a group of people wanting to break that and ignore the guidelines.

Human rights, that is what it's about. And guess what? My rights are being attacked when I am forcefully assaulted. So yes, we should be doing something about it. I do take precautions to not be raped and you know what, I'm tired of that having to be a thing. And you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking that I should even have to.

Show a little restraint and have some god damned dignity.

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:51:03 AM
No I don't think we should start just telling young men to "Not Rape" women. I think we should find out why anyone would think such an action is acceptable and then figure out how to combat the behavior.

I should, as I have stated before, not have to live in fear of my own safety, but reality is that I do, and that is seriously in no way a good thing.

I should not be judged by how many times I have had sex, I should not be viewed as a prize, I should not be told I am a liar because I put on makeup. These are things I do because I want to, and if someone doesn't like to do these things, or has had WAY more sex than me, who the hell am I to judge. You don't understand the foundation of feminism, it's not about women wanting to just be the same as men. It's about women wanting to not be judged for being themselves, whoever that person may be.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:48:16 AM
@Gauddith

This post is merely to make fun of your attempts to insult me. =)

I'm sorry

You should be. You fail to take any responsibility for your actions.

That really disappoints me.

Tough sh*t, sweetheart. (<--- Notice purposeful chauvinistic insert)

certain you don't fully understand what you're getting at

How does this make any sense?

I'm pretty sure you don't actually think that the person being assaulted is at fault

Wow! Is that because I blatantly stated so earlier? Congratulations.

It makes you look ridiculous.

Well now that's just rude.

should be taking responsibility

"Should be taking responsibility" and "is responsible" are two separate things.

I'm pretty worried for you.

You're too sweet. =)

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:43:54 AM
@Gauddith

See, the stupidity here is that you seem to think we can simply tell young men to not rape women and - tada! - no more rape.

In reality, men and women both need to take steps to prevent rapes from happening. Is that fair? No, and that sucks. It happens though so we should take reasonable steps to prevent it.

It is reasonable to tell a woman in India not to climb into a car with five random men for a ride to the airport.
It is reasonable to tell a woman not to leave her drink unattended at a party or bar.
It is reasonable to tell a woman not to get blackout drunk at a frat house.

Should we need to do these things? No. That doesn't change that we need to do these things. From a woman's standpoint, failing to do these things is foolish and is likely to put her in a bad situation.

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