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Global Warming? It's Actually Getting Cooler[Pic+]

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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:58:37 PM
mesovortex: I was linking to a valid source of news and science journal articles in the 1970's touting "ice age" climate predictions that didn't come true.

The NASA chart shows that "Global Warming" isn't happening to any significant degree. At the rate that chart shows, it would take over 300 years for the temperature to get to +2.0 C. That is far far longer than all of the model predictions.

Besides that, a lot of things can and will change within 300 years. Our own country isn't even 300 years old yet and back then we were burning firewood for fuel.

I believe in the next 50 years we will have thorium fuel reactors and advanced fuel cells, but we will always have scaremongers trying to whip up a frenzy using spurious scientific claims.

"All it is saying is ONE scientist says a model was a little off."

It's saying that many scientists know that nearly ALL the models were massively off. 99.97% percentile off,

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 406 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:34:44 PM
@5Cats:
So? That doesn't mean the consensus is wrong, or that the scientist is wrong, or that there isn't global warming, or that man isn't warming the planet.

All it is saying is ONE scientist says a model was a little off.

*facepalm*

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 22078 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:30:12 PM
Top Scientist Says: Earth Not Warming As Predicted For a variety of reasons, ALL of which are used by NON-AGW arguments...

Best Quote: "This of course does not reflect well on our models" - Hans von Storch

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 406 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 2:25:10 PM
@richanddead:
"You can say emissions are the proof positive cause but as I have stated in earlier posts, that Earth atmosphere is far to vast to be chemically changed to an unnatural state in less than 2 hundred years."

That's bull and you know it. We can measure how the atmosphere was 200 years ago. We can measure how it was today. It is different. We know why and we can measure why - thanks to radio isotopes of the carbon in the atmosphere.

We have changed it. The depletion of the Ozone Layer is proof.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 406 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 2:23:06 PM
@richanddead:
You don't get it. Nature can and does adapt if the changes are slow and gradual. However, right now, they are not slow and gradual. They are rapid. When climate changes rapidly in the past it caused mass extinctions.

Why would you willingly want to go through one?

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 406 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 2:21:24 PM
"Don't believe the side that wants to use the issue as a pretext to boss you around and take your stuff."

Like your money for oil?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11746 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 2:11:07 PM
@ OldOllie: Starting this Monday, Ollie, you musht gives me three hazelnuts every day to offset your carbon footprint--fives if you drive your car. OK? It will be very good for the environments. OK?

I have a better offer. How would you like a few hundred pounds of nice fresh acorns? Come on by. I'll leave them out in the yard for you.

Regarding my previous post, perhaps I should elucidate.

Don't believe the side that wants to use the issue as a pretext to boss you around and take your stuff.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1564 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 1:24:53 PM
Also the average temperature of the earth is 22 degrees celsius. Currently the average temperature is only 14.6 degrees celsius, meaning that we are still very cold. The "Climatic optimum" for the holocene is still 2-3 degrees celsius warmer than today and has always made both life and civilization flourish.


But as I have said and will repeat, until someone shows me any evidence to the contrary, we are still in a 3500 year cooling trend despite recent warming over the last 150 years.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1564 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 1:07:32 PM
Scientists are also finding hundreds of skeletons of bowhead whales along the northern passage with spear points in them, as the ice recedes. Scientists say that this means natural temperatures in the last 1000 years have exceeded todays temperatures gave the bowheads a new migration route.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1564 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:50:16 PM
@Squrlz4Sale:
""Edited"? "Edited"?! As if they changed the contraction of "can't" to "cannot"? Are you kidding me?...Are you not merciful?"

"Badges?! Badges?! We don't have to show you no stinkin' badges!"
-Treasure of the Sierra Madre

Lol calm down, I wasn't even trying to downplay it, I was merely commenting that although his pic was wrong there have been other stories in Time Magazine that have pushed the "coming apocalyptic ice age" line that the picture was communicating.



richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1564 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:37:58 PM
@mesovortex:
"We may be in a long term interglacial cooling trend, but we're in a short term rapid warming trend... Our emissions are overshadowing long term trends."

First off, I'm glad I've finally succeeded in convincing you that the earth is in a cooling trend. Yet a 250 year warming uptick after a "little ice age" is not more significant than a 3500 year cooling trend, especially when the rate of warming is not unprecedented and we have dropped in temperatures far more than we have risen in temperatures.

You can say emissions are the proof positive cause but as I have stated in earlier posts, that Earth atmosphere is far to vast to be chemically changed to an unnatural state in less than 2 hundred years. You can keep repeating yourself if you want and making incorrect comparisons to rivers and earthmoving, but that is not evidence, it is your personal view.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5994 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 11:04:32 AM
@ CrakrJak:

Yup, you know that I'm well versed with scientific information on the subject and can't refute it.

Puh-leez. CJ, I decided to stop debating you on AGW long ago when you stated that burning fossil fuels isn't much of a problem because, you claimed, most of the carbon is refined out of the oil. ~facepaw~

Nothing personal, but as I stated at the time, when I'm on here I may have time to waste--but not THAT much time to waste.

I've been pointing you to the Wranglerstar videos because they're done by a Christian family on a homestead out in Oregon. From a faith perspective, I was thinking you might enjoy them.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 406 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 8:28:10 AM
@Crakrjak:
"global warming simply isn't happening"
Yet you posted a chart from NASA showing that the earth is getting warmer globally, and agreed with it?

Besides, aren't you a creationist? It's not like you're an expert on anything scientific, you know.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 406 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 8:26:53 AM
@CrakrJak:
"Well versed" - and yet you post an argument that has thoroughly been refuted 1000 times.

http://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm

A blog by a guy who isn't even a scientist isn't a reputable source. I know of "Steve Goddard" - and he is a grade A nut, and an idiot. His blog is a joke.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:23:50 AM
Also, If you still doubt that Time, Newsweek and many other publications were touting global cooling in the 70's. Read This.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:11:42 AM
Squrlz: "I'll take a pass on the AGW discussion with you.."

Yup, you know that I'm well versed with scientific information on the subject and can't refute it.

By the way I'll toss you a few walnuts from the tree outside if you quit bugging me about wranglerstar. Hehe.

I already follow half a dozen people's videos on youtube, Zonation, Newsbusted, Chuggaconroy, etc...

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5994 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 1:23:41 AM
@ OldOllie: Starting this Monday, Ollie, you musht gives me three hazelnuts every day to offset your carbon footprint--fives if you drive your car. OK? It will be very good for the environments. OK?


OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11746 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:55:31 AM
So which doom-mongers should I believe?

Here's a hint. Don't believe the ones who want to boss you around and take your stuff.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5994 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:59:52 PM
@ CrakrJak: CJ, the TIME cover you've found, with the headline "The Cooling of America," was about an article on the energy crisis--how people were unable to afford the oil prices to keep their homes warm during a cold winter--NOT about a coming ice age.

So that's a swing and a miss.

In fact, TIME magazine has NEVER had a cover about a "coming ice age." Just setting the record straight here.

But honestly, I'll take a pass on the AGW discussion with you; we've already covered that ground and we know where each stands.

Instead, I've been trying to see if you know about the Wranglerstar channel on YouTube. Have you seen it? If not, I think you'll like it. (I mentioned it to you in another thread, but I don't think you saw it.)

Here is a link to a recent Wranglerstar video. Let me know what you think.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:41:56 PM
Squrlz: Let me cite a recent study in the journal Nature Climate Change, "The inconsistency between observed and simulated global warming is even more striking for temperature trends computed over the past iteen years (1998-2012). For this period, the observed trend of 0.05 deg.C per decade is more than four times smaller than the average simulated trend of 0.21 deg.C per decade."

Out of 117 climate predictions made in the 1990's, 114 overestimated the amount of warming. And on average the predictions forecasted two times more global warming than actually occurred.

Sorry, but the "climate scientists" you cite cried like chicken little too loudly and too often. Their credibility is in the trash bin, global warming simply isn't happening and people are waking up to the fact that they've been duped by hucksters like Al Gore making millions of dollars off of dealing carbon credits, selling books and giving lectures.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:21:02 PM
Squrlz: While true that's a "Shopped" Time cover. The real one, from 1977, was much more dire looking.


mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 406 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 7:52:59 PM
@Andrew155:
Why do you keep trotting out the 'no warming in x years' argument when it's a lie? And you post an op ed to prove it? Really?

Look in this thread, you'll see how that argument is dead wrong, and the earth has continually gotten warmer in the last 15 years, NOT COOLER.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5994 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 7:47:23 PM
(Cont'd)

If you are genuinely interested in learning--and I trust you are--you might want to spend eight minutes watching this video (below), which explains the subject using interviews with the climate scientists who are on the frontlines of the research.

No Slowdown In Global Warming

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5994 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 7:41:37 PM
(Cont'd)

Would you conclude that the laws of physics don't apply in your kitchen? No. First, you'd verify that your data and measurements were correct and that your equipment is functioning correctly. And then you'd look for the missing heat. Ah! There it is: in the early stages of heating, the water in the saucepan has formed a thermocline of heated water on the sides and bottom of the pan (a torus), which measures 95 degrees. When the water is mixed, the average temperature in the pan turns out to be--voila!--70 degrees.

This is analagous to what has occurred with global warming in the past decade. While land temperatures over the past decade HAVE risen, they have not risen at the previous decades pace because a larger share of the planet's heat is going into the deep oceans. Some AGW models had, in fact, predicted that there would be such "hiatus decades" where deep-ocean warming would take precedence over land warming.

(Cont'd)

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5994 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 7:41:11 PM
@ Andrew155: ...more than 1/4 of all the emissions ever in the past 10 years and no warming.

This is a common misconception; let me try to explain.

First of all, let's leave models out of it. We're talking about the past 10 years, which is history. We have the data, we *know* what happened. Not just what happened in terms of land temperatures, but in terms of CO2 levels, aerosols, ocean currents, and solar radiation. Physicists KNOW how much solar energy is being put into the Earth system, how much was radiated back into space, and how much was kept in by the greenhouse effect.

It's like putting a saucepan water on a gas burner and turning on the flame. You can do the calculations and you KNOW how much heat is going into the pan. If you put a thermometer into the middle of the pan 1/2" below the surface and found the water was just 62 degrees when your calculations stated it should be 70 degrees, what would you conclude?

(Cont'd)

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