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Why Do Tests On Animals? [Pic]

Hits: 10046 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Weird | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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dirtysteve00
Male, 30-39, Europe
 375 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:46:18 AM
' but not even in the same league as murder and molestation.'

Really, molestation is worse than rape?

Ok,drat her, but don't feel her up first.

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 751 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:24:04 AM
"Proof that you've not listened to a word that's been said"

except you missed part of my comment either deliberately or stupidly, let me reiterate,
the OPPOSITE of your apparant logic would be to experiment on people locked up for non payment of fines. Now go back and read that in context where I'm argueing your trying to support your perspective by using extreme examples.

"I'll lay odds it's not the murder or rape we're trying to get thru to you about"

You have no clue and dont need to know but you still failed to see the point that you dont have to be a victim to have a valid persepctive.

I wasnt a victim of the holocaust but I know and understand about it and have a valid perspective on it.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6275 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:50:09 AM
McDuff: apparant logic would be experiment on people locked up for non payment of fines

Proof that you've not listened to a word that's been said.

"Maybe you missed the part where I said I and some of my family members had been victims of crime!?"

I'll lay odds it's not the murder or rape we're trying to get thru to you about.

turd-"we should just euthanize people who are victims of rape or other traumatic experiences."

Are you even commenting on the right post??

@aliyahg - Check if you have a free weekend between now and Christmas, I want to marry you.

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 751 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 8:33:13 PM
"But now I've proposed letting them live near you and humanely free you've changed your minds. Liberal logic."

At no point did I propose mass murderers be let loose, please dont be so childish.

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 751 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 8:30:49 PM
"That's exactly what I've been talking about"

Well then your talking balls, using extreme examples is risible, the opposite of your apparant logic would be experiment on people locked up for non payment of fines see how stupid extremes in this situation look!?

"I'm not at all surprised how some people support a cause they know nothing about"

Maybe you missed the part where I said I and some of my family members had been victims of crime!?

Still being a victim doesnt give you an exclusive insight into the minds of criminals and the right to choose for anyone who hasnt happened to be a victim how the criminal justice system works, justice isnt predicated on revenge or victimhood.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 6:06:13 PM
The second their mother, sister or daughter gets violently raped or murdered, is the moment they will change their tune.


If this is what happened to you, then it really suggests that your moral compass is compromised, or you have none to begin with.

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 246 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 5:53:51 PM
@drawman61

it's funny how some people love to twist things around to make them fit their pretty little delusional arguments. Besides the multiple spelling mistakes, I gather 'Murika is churning out a whole bunch of redneck soul savers no matter the cost. Considering how in this country the politicians who oppose healthcare are the ones getting it (and their families) for free, I'm not at all surprised how some people support a cause they know nothing about. The second their mother, sister or daughter gets violently raped or murdered, is the moment they will change their tune.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6275 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 4:46:14 PM
That's exactly what I've been talking about. But now I've proposed letting them live near you and humanely free you've changed your minds. Liberal logic.

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 751 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 3:13:28 PM
"You guys would seriously allow the Gein's, Bundy's, Dahmer's, Gacy's of this world to move into your neighbourhood because it was the humane thing to do"

No, and its ridiculous to think thats what we are discussing here.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 3:12:08 PM
You guys would seriously allow the Gein's, Bundy's, Dahmer's, Gacy's of this world to move into your neighbourhood because it was the humane thing to do?


Which is why they're locked up INDEFINITELY. No parole, no suspended sentence, prison for the rest of their life.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6275 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 2:59:15 PM
cajun: If that bothers you so much perhaps we could move to a system where prisoners can earn money and actually pay for there own rent

Well it's a start. As for rehabilitation, sure for lesser crimes. I'm talking about the sick and twisted that are incapabable of rational thought. You guys would seriously allow the Gein's, Bundy's, Dahmer's, Gacy's of this world to move into your neighbourhood because it was the humane thing to do?

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1709 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 2:21:03 PM
This is why policy makers can't be dumbass ass clowns. This is a really really bad idea, you'd essentially be tying product development to supply of criminals. So a decrease in rape will hinder research. Go get more tattoos douchetard.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 2:02:20 PM
All of these 'perks' come at a great cost:

You have NO privacy in prison, you will HAVE to play politics with truly unforgivable people, your freedom to move is SEVERELY curtailed. As it stands now there are murderers and rapists who are indeed redeemable but once they're done have difficulty to adjusting to life outside because prison life has taught them NOT to have mercy. The death penalty as it stands doesn't do SQUAT to deter murderers, threatening to subject them to involuntary medical tests won't bear any different results.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 1:46:33 PM
Meanwhile, as has been pointed out already, the low-life lives rent-free, gets free meals, can learn new skills or get educated in between mopping a few floors, watching tv and playing pool


If that bothers you so much perhaps we could move to a system where prisoners can earn money and actually pay for there own rent (other than being used as involuntary test subjects). We can lock up recidivists indefinitely too. The potential for abuse in the system you're advocating is too great for it to be implemented.

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 751 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 1:45:24 PM
so you want to lock people up torture them not feed them charge them rent whilst incarcerated.
Recidivism occurs because not enough time nor money is put into rehabilitation, something else your against, everything I'm saying is a reflection of what you've said I'm not twisting anything.
And if by 'do-gooder' you mean someone who doesnt want to see another human tortured them yep I'm proud to be one!
And not that it makes any difference to the discussion, as its rather infantile to assume that unless you've been party to a crime your opinion holds no weight but I and one or two members of my family have been victims of various crimes, it still doesnt make me think retribution is better than justice!

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6275 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 1:19:37 PM
cajun/McDuff, You're twisting things in your own minds. The unfairness of society's rules is firmly on the victims. Of everything from robbery to rape, molestation to murder. A quick there-there from a doctor or the court now move on. Meanwhile, as has been pointed out already, the low-life lives rent-free, gets free meals, can learn new skills or get educated in between mopping a few floors, watching tv and playing pool. It's a big game to them as they boast to each other about what they did and what they will do again on the outside. Because that's what the majority do, they re-offend. Do-gooders like you guys see fit to let them back into society because of their human rights. So more people get assaulted, get raped and get murdered. These creatures are not right in the head and never will be. As aliyahg alluded to, let's hear what you have to say if the next victim is your mother, sister or daughter. See if you still think these poor hard done to souls are worthy of your sympathy.

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 751 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 12:51:36 PM
humane*

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 751 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 12:47:42 PM
so you want to torture criminals to teach them a lesson aliyah?

that sounds fair and reasonable and himane!

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 246 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 12:19:11 PM
Criminals will think twice before committing a crime if they knew the consequences, like they would be tested on. To these people, working out, reading, watching tv, eating a cafeteria and playing basketball with 3 square meals a day sounds fun and pretty standard. If the consequences for their actions were increased, a possible portion of a dare i call it a solution could very much be plausible.

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 246 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 12:14:19 PM
@patchgrabber

If only live testing were allowed, hence here we are, discussing such an area now in all its glory. Unfortunately criminals are the aftereffect of their actions who can be studied and enough data could be collected. Every time some POS is released out into the wild due to overcrowding or some bogus technical error, he/she will go back to what he knows. Prisons are not meant to rehabilitate, but to house because people don't know what to do with them. It is like the war on drugs, hopeless and defies logic that this "problem" could be curbed in any way. Now violent offenses could absolutely be curbed if they are handled in a way which is conducive. Here's a suggestion, house every single inmate in a separate cell with gated yard space, again single attached to their cell, just like a doggy daycare. Everything will be monitored as usual, no physical contact, no basketball, no working out, no TV. Only a man/woman and his thoughts and the fresh air. To some

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 751 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 12:00:32 PM
drawman61 how is treating prisoners humanely unfair to non criminals?

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 246 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 11:50:53 AM
As much as I hear about the nature vs. nurture aspect, the only thing that keeps getting stuck in the revolving door is how someone who had a bad childhood is somehow a product of his/her surroundings and therefore is somehow figured out as to why he did what he did.

Not everyone who grew up in a ghetto is a thug, not everyone who grew up in foster care is a delinquent, and not every person who grew up in the suburbs is well rounded.

There is no one single thing which determines the choices one makes in his life, which result in a violent outcome. As such, one must take full responsibility for his/her actions as all actions a person performs are a result of autonomy/free will.

A person who chooses to commit a crime not based on need (stealing a loaf of bread), but on control and violence (rape, murder, torture)make a collective choice to disregard all human life and its intrinsic value.

Once he disregards all reason, that person no longer holds

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 246 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 11:40:48 AM
@whodat

Love him and his hilariously conducive solutions!

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 11:40:40 AM
As far as people who have committed heinous crimes, I bet they didn't stop to think about the person who they were going to mutilate's human rights and their suffering, you know?

This presupposes inherent malice of the offender. Some murders are the product of neglect, safety, substance abuse among many others. That you so callously paint all "violent criminals" with the same brush is something you should think about.

One of such individuals later killed two people himself,

What an amusing anecdote, if only an anecdote. Having performed experiments on animals for science before, I always treated them with as much respect and care as I could. However, animal testing is necessary and the ethical approval for such projects can be immense, it's one of the reasons I work with algae now. Some problems can't be talked away or hypothesized, they require live testing.

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 246 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 11:38:31 AM
@patchgrabber

"You can judge a society on how it treats its prisoners"

I have to say that I do not agree with that particular quote by mr. Dostoevsky's, but he did mention the ethical treatment of living things, including animals throughout his time as he quoted Churchill and others like him. Others have also quoted on how a society should be judged.

"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members ; the last, the least, the littlest."

~Cardinal Roger Mahony

or one of my favorite quotes by Gandhi:

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. "
:)

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