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Feminism [Pic]

Hits: 10476 | Rating: (3.2) | Category: Misc. | Added by: gingernut333
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4178 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 7:38:01 AM
littleoracle-"What if someone walked up to her and said, " You look butch." or put her down for her looks."

She will learn that people are cruel. This is a basic fact of life.

But you seem to think this is only a problem for little girls. Little boys have to put up with cruel namecalling, too. ("you're fat, you're a fag, you're a sissy")

littleoracle-"Don't judge a woman by what she wears."

Why do women get the special pass on this? They want to be equal, right? Well, girls AND boys both have to go through this.

How about 'Don't judge people by what they wear'? But, seeing as you cannot control the cruelty of others, teach your children that the opinions of others mean nothing.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5203 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 6:44:40 AM
Advocacy groups work for marginalised people. When 50% of a population is treated as 2nd class citizens it is fairly safe to say they are marginalised. I am not quite sure at what point you want to say women are/were not ,marginalised. For starters you need to identify the population group - Earth as a whole- the US, the UK, Finland- London. Then at what point you feel equality is reached. Certainly some groups of women are reaching a reasonable state of equality- but NOT all by a bloody long way. So which women don't count? Women in Saudi or Afghan- poor women of colour in the US- do you think we should all ignore them because a few of you over privileged citizens feel that some rich uppity white women do not know their place. Feminism is not an on/off switch- just as all social justice movements it has shades and nuances depending on circumstance.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11050 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 1:40:09 AM
Well, that's an even more content-free way of showing that you have no reply because you know I'm right. Well done for finding it!

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 12:33:21 AM
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11050 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:31:05 PM
Bugger...some edit-repost-delete tidying up has reversed the order of my last two posts. A real editing facility would be nice.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11050 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:29:31 PM
Not one woman here has spouted any haterad or anger towards men, men on the other hand spewing venom about feminist. What are you so afraid of?


Are you serious?

You're talking about a semi-organised and very powerful ideology that varies from advocating that male people be excluded from consideration in any positive way in anything to advocating that all male people should be killed and you're asking why many men are angry and/or afraid of it? Really? Isn't the answer obvious?

Random example:

The last time anyone cared enough to look, healthcare expenditure on women in the UK was almost eight times higher than healthcare expenditure on men in the UK. Feminism, of course, still advocates healthcare *for women only* because feminism always advocates everything for women only because that's what feminism is for. How many men have died as a result? Who cares? They're only men.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11050 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:28:21 PM
Now here is where feminists ignore almost everything I've written because they know it's right and they can't argue against it, and focus solely on the one reference to the most extreme forms of feminism. That gives them the opportunity to make the false claim that what I've written only applies to extremist feminists and then to make the false claim that extremist feminists have no effect on the world or on feminism and that therefore all criticism of feminism is invalid, QED. Obviously untrue, but somewhat effective at diverting attention from an inconveniently true argument.

There you go, I've saved you some typing.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11050 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:14:14 PM
On top of that, of course, is the fact that no group advocacy ideology is ever controlled by its most moderate followers. Power is taken by those who want it most and are willing to do the most to get it. Power is taken by those who put the most time and effort into getting it, who lobby hardest, who make the most attention-grabbing material (how true it is doesn't matter very much), who rouse the most anger and direct it...and that can never be the most moderate.

So feminism at its best is still innately and profoundly sexist and feminism as a movement cannot ever be dominated by its best. It's a foul ideology, run by the grotesquely bigoted and propped up by the gullible who have fallen for their lies (and who are still sexist, just not as much).

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11050 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:06:49 PM
madduck i support equality,and this was the genuine path of feminism,i agree with that.


But you're both very obviously wrong.

Feminism is a group advocacy ideology. It always has been, always is and always will be, because that's what it is for. That's the entire point of it, that's it's defining feature, that is the only thing common to all strains of feminism.

An ideology that advocates for one sex is not an ideology that advocates for sexual equality. It's inherently in opposition to sexual equality because at best it requires defining people by their sex (you can't advocate for one sex without first dividing humanity by sex) and judging people by sexist stereotyping (at best, you must judge one sex as being unworthy of consideration on a socio-political scale).

Feminism *even in it's mildest forms* is innately sexist and in direct opposition to the very basic concept of sexual equality.

ghoulie11
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 361 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:08:23 PM
Respect isn't something to be handed out to everyone that demands it, it's to be given to people who deserve it. From the cartoon I've read, I don't see anything there deserving of any kind of respect.

As for the content of this cartoon, how am I supposed to know if anything the speech bubbles are saying isn't true. Maybe, in each of those cases, the speech bubbles were correct.

bordo
Male, 50-59, Western US
 728 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 5:24:42 PM
Actually every last one of the balloons was being spoken by a feminist to the ladies depicted.

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2021 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:19:16 PM
It's always ok to demand things. Never mind earning anything.

IRockYeah
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2460 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:48:56 PM
Stop wrting cartoons and get the f*ck back on the kitchen.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5203 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:28:25 PM
I agree- people should not call boys out for being feminine.That is also very sexist indeed...

Crabes
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1049 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:10:26 PM
the problem with this post is that its not woman specific, this happens also to man so feminism should have nothing to do with that kind of behavior

littleoracle
Female, 30-39, Midwest US
 281 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:31:42 AM
Patchouli - How about this example. Do these women come across as victims feeling sorry for themselves?

http://www.dailydot.com/society/bra-busters-facebook-porn-feminist-takeover/

I commend you for teaching your daughter non-gender specific activities. Good for you, seriously. But what if your daughter started to dress more like a tomboy? What if someone walked up to her and said, " You look butch." or put her down for her looks. How would that make you feel? How do you think it would make her feel? And most important of all, what would you teach her to respond and what would you think of the person that said that to her in the first place? That is the point of this comic. Don't judge a woman by what she wears. And women shouldn't listen to people who say these things to them. That's it, plain and simp

Keyh
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 227 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:21:52 AM
The problem with the "feminist movement" is that coverage of it is limited to extremists. The man hating, shaved head, "uterus in lockboxes" movement is so ridiculous and prevalent that the entire movement's cogency is threatened by it.

Top it off by the average woman in pop culture being exactly what the feminist movement doesn't want women to look like.

The feminist movement needs to start looking more at women that are reinforcing the stereotype and the extreme feminists than "men" as their enemy. I realize that the silent majority of the movement probably does this, but it's not what the feminist movement is seen as doing.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5203 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:20:58 AM
One thing that often strikes me about many vocal feminists online is that they can often be very young- often of university age. this often means they have a certain 'tone' that age and experience will temper. It pays to remember this when you try to come up with preconceptions about feminists- because they do not necessarily give a good representation of a broader church.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4473 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:24:39 AM
@jkfld,

What is written in online documents and what is said by people are two different things.

The online documents show the intention but it is often abused and becomes a forum for hating men and perpetuating the victim card in women. We need to drop the "Poor Me" thing and work on building up self esteem. In these feminist forums, woman need to be told they are powerful and independent. Not that they are victims.

I also do recognize the difference between the problems of women here and the problems of women in say, strict Muslim Countries. Fighting for the rights of women who do not have the same rights a women here have, is noble, IMO.

Again though, this has very little to do with the cartoon or the point that most men here are trying to make and that is that men suffer the same type of judging. This isn't a problem that is specific to women but is more a human condition.

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:58:08 AM
(message continued. piece of poo website) ... substantive and original.

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:55:04 AM
Lots of misconceptions about feminism in this thread. It's almost as if you guys are pulling your ideas about it out of your asses rather than doing any research, but that can't be it, right? I'm sure you're all up to speed on intersectionality. I'm sure you've all read the books by Betty Friedan, bell hooks, and Audre Lorde. I'm sure you visit the better feminist websites every day. That must be why your arguments against it are so 5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24182 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:29:54 AM
@richanddead: Yeah, my city (Winnipeg) is usually in the "top 5" for car theft every year (per capita, of course) in North America! USA and Canada anyhow.
Youth Gangs are almost immune to "law" in Canada, and they know it.

Immobilizer, club, alarm, it's a standard! They still check regularly to see if it's locked.

@patchouly: Thanks bro! Sounds like you're a good dad! It's not easy, eh? Any idiot can 'make a baby' but raising them properly is another matter entirely.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33895 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:45:27 AM

I've said it before {and been called an idiot} and I'll say it again, the Feminist Movement failed. In that the primary goal was to help women achieve a more respected position in society. They're more sexualized than before and the most common ways of referring to women is "Bitches & Ho's". Not the most respectful terms. It's not just men, women also refer to other women this way. They dress more sexually, act more, TWERK!...etc.

No, while men must pay lip service to respecting women in the workplace etc., it's just a cover so they don't get in trouble. The truth is very different.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4473 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:36:35 AM
@5cats

Hope your car is safe, man. I may not like your politics, but I'd certainly hate to see something happen to your car or possessions.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3759 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:35:33 AM
madduck i support equality,and this was the genuine path of feminism,i agree with that. What i say is that today many so called feminists just shows to "hate" men and confuses the equality with the will of being putted on a higer step.

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