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Rules for Teachers 1915 [Pic]

Hits: 7768 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: paperduck
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liabach
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1880 Posts
Monday, September 02, 2013 8:20:12 PM
oh, i thought that was 2013 BYU

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 627 Posts
Monday, September 02, 2013 9:01:57 AM
Paperduck,

The reason I brought up "the fallacy of appealing to ignorance" is because Gerry said "You say it's fake... .prove it."

Trying to prove a document does not exist is near impossible.

The notes that you have provided in your link were not included in your original post. They do however state:

"However, there is not yet absolute certainty about the authenticity of this document. It still may be the case, as some have suggested, that this is an urban myth made up in the 1970s."

He also says that he got a phone call from an 85 year old woman that remembers seeing these when she was 7 -- not exactly a great source.

The link Gerry provided pretty much says that this list cannot be verified.

I've also provided a link to snopes that supports it's an urban myth.

My point is that this has been around for years now. If it was the list of rules was that common, then an original copy of

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1709 Posts
Monday, September 02, 2013 8:18:49 AM
Rodin, yes we understand that principle but generally it's used for something that is unexpected. For example if I say my 1995 Chevy was built in Michigan and you say "prove it" is quite a different thing than if I say it was specially built in France and you asked for proof. The Chevy built in Michigan in 95 is with reason of what we know. Why would you think it wasn't built in Michigan? Actually proving this particular car was built in Michigan may be very difficult. Do you see the distinction? So I think what folks and myself are saying is that these rules are within reason for what we know. Also, read the notes at the bottom of the link

blobman2000
Male, 30-39, Canada
 48 Posts
Monday, September 02, 2013 6:50:36 AM
taliban

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 627 Posts
Monday, September 02, 2013 5:03:55 AM
Gerry, the burden of proof falls on the person making the original claim. I was being a critic of that claim. Alex Michalos, in "Principles of Logic" states: "If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed"

That sounds like an interesting book, I'll definitely keep an eye open for it.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:09:24 PM

Rodin, search for a book called "Mamie Papers". It's a brilliant collection of letters from that time between a one eyed jewish immigrant prostitute and a Bostonian socialite. It gives an insight into what the world was like for poor and middle class. Their daily troubles and rules they lived by...so very different from ours.

I think these are reasonable limits for a school teacher. You say it's fake... .prove it. Show me a source that has different rules than these.

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 627 Posts
Sunday, September 01, 2013 3:15:02 PM
Here is what snopes says about it

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 627 Posts
Sunday, September 01, 2013 3:02:55 PM
Gerry, believing it's real and wanting it to be real are different from actually being real. A little like believing mountain goats are really goats.

My point is that nobody can come up with the original source to prove that it is real.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Sunday, September 01, 2013 2:36:01 PM

Rodin, I think it's real. I've done a bit of reading from this era and it's a time when girls who worked at the counter in department stores were considered "easy". I have no problem believing this list is real and they wanted "morally pure" girls to teach classes.

honkeylips
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1570 Posts
Sunday, September 01, 2013 8:23:54 AM
These are basically still the rules for teachers; both male and female.

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 627 Posts
Sunday, September 01, 2013 6:27:30 AM
I'm not trying to troll. This has been passed around the internet for years and has never been verified. Gerry's link confirms this.

Just calling out a piece of BS.


SavageChef
Female, 50-59, Western US
 2387 Posts
Sunday, September 01, 2013 3:30:12 AM
I have been known to loiter in the ice cream store. I am such a slut.

Jake_Justus
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 5616 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:13:15 PM

#4 specifically prohibits loitering only in downtown "ice cream stores." There's no mention of bars or opium dens.

TheZigRat
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 1687 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:04:20 PM
I remember those days well. Going to the boardwalk for a penneylick then watching a nickolodian flicker.

1234
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 304 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:01:50 PM
Classy as always Rodin. Who is the troll now?

som-tam
Male, 18-29, Asia
 661 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:52:32 PM
@paperduck: i believe that once a woman married it would be an embarrassment to her husband for her to continue working.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 449 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:49:05 PM
@pduck, its hard to marry if you can't keep the company of men. But yes teachers would get fired if the got married, it was assumed they wouldn't be able to take care of both their class duties and home duties.

This continued on for many years, even in the Netherlands, a progressive country, female teachers were to remain single to remain employed until the 60s.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1709 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:29:14 PM
My only question... #6 excludes husbands, so were teachers expected to be single for life? But other than that I bet everyone was happier and better adjusted back then. Also, the source is at the bottom of the link (where they are supposed to be), and nothing really in here strikes me as out I character for society a century ago.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 12042 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:46:00 PM
@SmagBoy1
They forgot the one about makin' me a sammich!
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ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 12042 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:42:43 PM
@Rodin
Lordy man - have some lightness in your life dude
grumble, moan, troll, all I ever hear off ya
You a secret old woman?

freddyferret
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 11734 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:06:23 PM
Can anyone confirm the sources. This is another piece of BS.


I can confirm that you are an idiot who is too lazy to check for himself. I'd post a source but the ones already here are good and I wouldn't do your work for you anyway.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:47:47 PM

Rodin, You're calling it BS YOU check the source.
But I picked up the gauntlet and throw it back in your face. These rules are posted at the New Hampshire History dot org / edu page. A reasonably reliable source.

LINK

Doogamus
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 34 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:46:01 PM
This, for starters.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15084 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:29:14 PM
Ah, the good old days...

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 627 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:15:00 PM
Can anyone confirm the sources. This is another piece of BS.

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