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Video Evidence: FSA Uses Chemical Weapons [Pic+]

Hits: 4613 | Rating: (1.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: llaa
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llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1056 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:45:06 AM
Let me elaborate. I first saw these videos posted on youtube and liveleak and within a few minutes time, the videos were no longer available online.

Wnd.com did not make the videos. Wnd and the writer are only hosting videos that keep getting taken down on other sites. Its that they keep getting taken down which I find odd.

I tried looking up the authenticity of the source videos but Ive had no luck other than what my eyes could see and determine. I did see a similar report liveleak from an embedded Chinese journalist who filmed a cache of chemicals and bombs as it was discovered by Syrian troops after intense fighting.

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 851 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:44:02 AM
[quote">I only linked to it since everywhere else online I'd seen this videos a moderator would delete them shortly after they were posted[/quote">

There's probably a reason for that considering the site's track record.


I find it odd that if the US did this, why isn't Russia all over it? Why is it simply one website with pretty much ZERO credibility?

Corsi probably used this to help write the article..

Build your own conspiracy

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1056 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:31:32 AM
I dont much care for the news article's information too much. The wnd.com is a weird site of conservative rhetoric. I only linked to it since everywhere else online I'd seen this videos a moderator would delete them shortly after they were posted. Try searching for these videos on the youtubes or the liveleaks...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25283 Posts
Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:32:18 AM
scuse me, I meant "give it to congress"

@handimanner: Why would Obama do THAT?
He ran the ENTIRE Libya invasion without ONCE asking Congress (as is required by the CotUSA, btw) so why do so now?

Unless he's looking for an "escape clause" to blame on the Republicans!
But the majority OPPOSE invasion, so the majority would SUPPORT the Repubs saying "no"! And BLAME OBAMA!

you couldn't see a cloud nor would one detonate it so close to the ground where the majority would fall on to the soil.

Correct @richanddead! The UN Observer guys said the people higher up in apartments died first, so the bursts were up in the air, not from an artillery shell. They estimate 10+ rockets were fired: if the Rebels had THAT many? They'd use them on Gov't TROOPS! To deadly effect!

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5849 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 11:11:16 PM
what Gerry said, word for word. Including the old fart bit.

Verenthi
Male, 18-29, Canada
 46 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 10:12:52 PM
Whatever, there's oil over there so we all know how it's going to end. Just find a reason to invade and be done with it, unless you have the balls to bring the fight to our corporate masters.

Now don't get me wrong, what's happening over there is tragic. But why get involved with the middle east and then turn a blind eye to similar situations in other countries?
Suspicious indeed.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 9:38:01 PM
It's all just fishy. Most Americans are against it and anti-war Obama is pushing us to war. You know, Bush was a sort of isolationist type guy in the beginning, too. It's like something happens to these guys when they get elected. Suspicious.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 8:21:38 PM

I am an old fart who has watched the decline of the United States. I was laughed at and called a nut job. But you know, I would not be surprise if the US planned the chemical attack and blamed it on Syrian military just to justify a new war. Halliburton and other corporations make billions in a good war.

Just sayin.

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 851 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 7:22:10 PM
@richanddead

I'm all for helping people in need. What I'm not for however is sitting on the sidelines watching for an extended period of time doing nothing then deciding one incident is sufficient to engage us in another military action.

We have spent enough on Iraq and Afghanistan. We lost alot of good soldiers and alot came home in a bad way.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 7:12:33 PM
@richanddead

Until we do come up with clear goals doing nothing may ultimately be the best option. We've always been "doing something" per se in the Middle East and look how well that's turned out (Iraq, Afghanistan). Those wars still haven't been paid for and further interventions could amount to us digging the fiscal, strategic, and diplomatic hole deeper. It really may be in our best interests to just sit this one out.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1863 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 6:59:42 PM
...as real issue along with the fact that we need to have defined goals and terms of success before we do any kind of military action. But I do believe we need to intervene.

I'm not directing this at you @CodeJockey or @djwajda, but I find it odd that people love to talk about how we all citizens of the earth before our own country and yet if it requires any non politically correct action to ensure those citizens very survival, we change our tune so quickly to that of sovereignty and involvement. One reason I never believe in such talk, one's own interests always become paramount in times of stress, with few notable exceptions.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1863 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 6:48:02 PM
The problem with simply waiting around is that the violence is already spilling out of Syria in to our allies. This could very quickly spread out of Syria and into the rest of the middle east. One way or another we'll need to get involved, it's just how big of a problem do we want to deal with.

Plus you add in the effect the war is having on our own economy, our credibility, oil prices, international traffic, stock market, ect. Not to mention what the hell the Israelis will do when they get pissed and we've got ourselves a perfect $hitstorm brewing.



"I'm seeing a similar lack of 'this connects to that' that led to the Iraq invasion."

Honestly, I do as well, the administration makes a point of not saying the word "proof." My feeling though is that the genocide and mass chaos of the conventional weapons is what is truly a threat. Chemical weapons account for a very small percentage of dead in this conflict. But I acknowledge that a

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1863 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 6:43:50 PM
"We sat here for how long now letting them kill each other? What's a little bit longer?"

It was our sitting around, that led to the SMC losing so much influence and leadership in the past year. We funded them but didn't direct them on how to make use of the gains they had won. Now we still have this headless blob of rebels that we can't make heads or tails of.

That being said the four destroyers and probably two subs that would launch the tomahawks won't do much. We've already broadcasted our plans so any bunker, HQ, hanger we target will be long since empty and not effectual, it's all about looks now.

Plus what happens if we attack and Hassad uses them again, but not as much, maybe just killing 10-30 people. Do we risk war for that?

If we wanted to do something realistic we would claim air superiority and set up anti-missile platforms at least.

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 851 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 6:37:49 PM
@cajun

That works too I suppose!

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 6:37:13 PM

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 6:35:21 PM
@djwajda

I usually refer to that website as DailyNutWorld

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1863 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 5:19:52 PM
(cont)
I can't speak the language they are using in the recording but the link said they attacked Deir Ballba in Homs, yet the first gas attack was in Deir Ezzour and the major attacks were all in rebel controlled parts of Damascus not Homs.

Lastly this is from a source that claimed "God has raised up Shiite Islam as a sword against America" after the September 11, 2001 attacks and loves to lambast America with any conspiracy theory they can find. One reason they were opposed by the Standing Committee of Correspondents and keep getting sued for Libel and keep losing the cases, it's actually amazing they still have enough money to function.

And written by the racist conspiracy theorist, Jerome Corsi, who is a known plagiarist to boot.

All in all, this article fails to meet muster.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1863 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 5:13:29 PM
(cont)





The Gas masks would be there anyway if their opponents are using chemical weapons, and mortars and pinapple grenades were not the vehicles used to deliver the gas.

Chlorine isn't used in Sarine but alone is definitely a noxious gas yet it would be easily identifiable (it makes a green cloud and can be easily identified by it's smell), it can be neutralized by putting a damp cloth over one's mouth, and isn't capable of killing that many people since it requires over 1,000 parts per million to begin to be fatal, one reason why the germans didn't prefer it in ww1 although it was good for psychological warfare.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1863 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 5:13:19 PM
Meh, I don't doubt that there are some elements of the rebels that would probably do this if they could. Yet I didn't see any evidence of it here.

First off, the movie that starts off with "God Bless Syria Al-Assad" is obvious propaganda and doesn't show who is doing it, or even that if it is really gas, you don't need to hit a building for gas to work. Plus Sarin is colorless, you couldn't see a cloud nor would one detonate it so close to the ground where the majority would fall on to the soil.

The reported seized nerve gas weapon looks like a old Russian made modified A-19 Howitzer, possibly a M1931, with an anti-tank shell. Its one of Assad's weapons, so I don't see how one can seize it, maybe recover if the rebels took it. Either way, its to heavy to shoot, flee, and hide with. It requires a special artillery tractor and is slow, noisy, and easy to spot.

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 851 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 5:09:48 PM
@Codejockey

I agree. I don't feel there's been enough evidence shown to convince me that he did indeed order it. For as much of a moron as he is, he could actually be telling the truth that the rebels did it.

So you got Iran having already sent people to help this guy, and you got a group of rebels with alot of those pesky al-qaeda mixed in the bunch.

We sat here for how long now letting them kill each other? What's a little bit longer?

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5126 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 5:05:11 PM
While I'm sure there is a fair amount of cracked pottery to laughed at, I'm seeing a similar lack of 'this connects to that' that led to the Iraq invasion.

I think if the guy was going gas his own people, strong chance he'd have said so.

handimanner
Male, 60-69, Western US
 1842 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 4:48:32 PM
Syria is a mess. It's well within reason that any of the various factions could be responsible.
For us to play world cop, with the same maladjusted intelligence apparatus (or just as bad, think drone attacks) that gave us Iraq is ridiculous.
There needs to be more control over a President in time of conflict.

flying_ltj
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 340 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 4:43:46 PM
Conspiratards never cease to deliver what is expected of them.

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 851 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 4:43:33 PM
Hell I don't want us involved in Syria but sorry I won't jump on the first conspiracy theory that jumps out in front of me.

handimanner
Male, 60-69, Western US
 1842 Posts
Friday, August 30, 2013 4:43:33 PM
scuse me, I meant "give it to congress"
long week.

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