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USDA Shuts Down 4-Year-Old's Garden [Pic+]

Hits: 6862 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: skypirate
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:25:19 AM
@Crakr

Essentially, this is your logic:

Owning a knife limits your neighbors Freedom of Speech because you can take that knife and tell them to 'shut up' or get stabbed to death.

No. You're taking two actions and compounding them together to try to explain how one single action limits Freedom of Speech. That's silly.

Here, I've got some more examples:

Masturbating limits the Second Amendment because cum you might get cum on your hand, break into your neighbors house, find his gun, and jam the trigger up with your cum.

See? We shouldn't allow anyone to masturbate. That's how stupid your argument is.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:18:27 AM
@Crakr

When the government/IRS, can tell a church to, "Shut Up", politically or be taxed, that is INDEED limiting freedom of speech.

FFS, that isn't taxing! That's telling someone to shut up. Those are two COMPLETELY different actions.

Want evidence? OK. Can I tax you without telling you to shut up? (Yes)! Can I tell you to shut up without taxing you? (Yes)! See - the are different actions!

they then tell you under no uncertain terms how to conduct business and they can ask for your records at anytime

Conducting a business is an ACTION; they have every right to legislate it. What are you missing? Help me to understand where you are lost on this.

With the exception of perhaps the cult of scientology.

So YOU actually want to control religion. F*ck off. You claim to be worried about universal freedoms but you're only worried about yourself.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17162 Posts
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:41:49 PM
Humanaction: "Taxation, when applied universally, does not limit freedom of speech."

Yes, yes it does. When the government/IRS, can tell a church to, "Shut Up", politically or be taxed, that is INDEED limiting freedom of speech. And it doesn't stop once they start taxing, they then tell you under no uncertain terms how to conduct business and they can ask for your records at anytime. Also, if you are audited, according to tax law, you are guilty until you prove your innocence. Not to mention, they can and do seize/freeze bank accounts and property.

I do NOT want to ever see that treatment ever applied to churches. With the exception of perhaps the cult of scientology.

DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2681 Posts
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:48:39 AM
They could just get large pots designed for plants....

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2337 Posts
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:18:45 AM
i'd have taken out the carrots and shoved them up the ass of said USDA autocrats.

To all the folks saying a garden can be dangerous to your house.. really? what the tomatoes are gonna suicide bomb the door? grow up this is a veggie patch, on the off chance something bad grew there you could just say.. don't grow that,

funny thing is.. a few weeks back i was a lowlife maggot for saying that a mentaly handicapped person should be kept quit if the rest of the neighbours experienced disturbance of the peace..

this is a veggie patch for a dissabled mum grown by a for year old kid so they can eat? what the hell is wrong with you??


HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:17:14 AM
@CrakrJak

This is a prime example of that kind of government idiocy.

This is one of the least intelligent things you've said. Our discussion was regarding whether or not the act of taxation limited freedom of speech.

This case has nothing to do with that. This is quite obviously a case where government action, not taxation, is responsible for the perceived problem.

Taxation, when applied universally, does not limit freedom of speech. I apologize that you've completely missed the point of my argument up to this point, but please feel free to let me know if there is anything else I can do to make this obvious fact a little more obvious for you.

Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
 2864 Posts
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:14:27 AM
everyone has an excuse to break the rules, good thing they were not bullied into not enforcing the law

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3884 Posts
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:13:20 AM
That's like if you started a garden in the lawn of your apartment complex. The little girl aww-factor is one thing, but..

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6039 Posts
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:02:27 AM
And you still think you are the land of the free?

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 507 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:54:46 PM
It largely depends on what is planted, but yes, gardens can cause extensive damage to homes.

Red Tipped Photinia are used as a common hedge plant around where I live (which is stupid, they grow far too large to be hedges near homes) and they can cause a great deal of issues. They attract termites, and like most large shrubs and trees, they can do a great deal of damage to the foundation.

So yeah, laughable imbecile...

BetterBob
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 169 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:24:45 PM
A garden?!?! How dare she!!

Tell her to open a lemonade stand!

oh.. wait...

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3410 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:16:42 PM
The government already gives the a place to live at a place they don't own. They were asked more than once to not plant a garden. It should have never happened to start with.

BTW - before I finished my degrees, I built houses. A garden can cause extensive damage to the home that close. I'd simply mow it over.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17162 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:43:01 PM
And people like HG and Humanaction don't think the government can coercively dictate peoples behavior when tax money is involved.

This is a prime example of that kind of government idiocy.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14404 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:42:15 PM
Typical liberals: boss people around and take their stuff.

mentott510
Male, 60-69, Eastern US
 178 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:45:57 PM
Somebody please donate cup of grass seed so they can restore their little patch back to its original state when they move. Come on guys...get a grip! How petty can you get? If anything, the little girl has improved the landscape and others should be encouraged to follow suite. Where are the local gardeners? We would be there with torches and pitchforks!...well maybe spades and hoes. Looks like the beginning for a neat community garden project. Set some lawn space aside for those who want to be self-sufficient.

LandoGriffin
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4814 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:07:44 PM
There is a property management company. Therefore, the family doesn't own the property. You can't plant a garden on property that you don't own.

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5190 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:46:34 PM
I'm sorry, you freakin hippies. Their housing, their rules.
You cannot go planting food on someone else's private property, not for that purpose.
G rules are even more strict and more uniform.

McThstlpnts
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1494 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:40:27 PM
I think the petty part of this is they didn't do anything about it until the plants were almost mature and bearing. Why didn't they put a stop to it right after it was planted? I understand rules but I think they were being deliberate jerks in this instance waiting that long to interfere and "lay down the law".

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:05:48 PM

Section 8 {California subsidized housing} is on either side of me and I can tell you it's full of trashy people who don't take care of anything.

If I were managing the property I would not allow them to go digging around the landscape either. And you cannot do for one what you cannot do for all.

So while this one case seems okay, I suspect they are the exception to the rule. Their neighbor would have her kids just digging holes 'cause that's what kids do. Next thing you know someone's fallen and guess who gets sued.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10128 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:58:42 PM
"In a South Dakota subsidized housing unit"

There you go. They don't own the land to plant, and projects forbid planting anything.

If it were their home, they wouldn't have been bothered.

skypirate
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2072 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:41:12 PM
Link: USDA Shuts Down 4-Year-Old's Garden [Pic+] [Rate Link] - more zero tolerance removing common sense


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