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In Favor Of Gun Control? [Pic]

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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13233 Posts
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:17:07 AM
The difference between an unarmed man and a man with a rifle is diddly squat if he's going up against a government with tanks, jets, nukes, etc.


Except for the examples I gave that you danced around..... I hope it'd never come down to that but it beats the crap out of bending over and just letting it happen. Now tell me how revolution are alway a clear cut fight between civs and the army.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2823 Posts
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:57:26 AM
@OldOllie

"When the revolution comes, they're not going to fight for the left; they'll be on OUR side."

1: They're trained to follow their orders. Are you saying the American military is not well-trained?
2: Right-wing extremism can exist too, and we both know that when a government gets truly extreme, the actual flavour of the government becomes rather meaningless; it's so far removed from its milder cousins as to be completely unrelated.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13471 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:53:02 PM
OldOllie, you cannot compare a fascist form of government with a liberal one.

What do you mean I cannot? I just did! Of course Hitler and the Nazis opposed Stalin and the Communists. They were just two big dogs fighting over the same bone. Their political philosophies, however, were nearly identical: boss people around and take their stuff. Both ended up exterminating millions of people. What's so different about them?

Yes, I know your liberal teachers told you that Nazis and communists are opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I'm telling you that's bull$#!+. They're the same damned thing.

The difference between communists, socialists, Nazi's, fascists, progressives, and liberals is like the difference between vanilla, natural vanilla, home-style vanilla, French vanilla, hand-cranked vanilla, and soft-serve vanilla.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13471 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:45:42 PM
@Musuko42, you forgot one thing. The vast majority of the military are conservatives. Why else do you think the Democrats try to disenfranchise them every election?

When the revolution comes, they're not going to fight for the left; they'll be on OUR side.

drworm2002
Male, 30-39, Western US
 573 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:12:21 PM
It wasn't Hitler that started it. It was in place before Hitler took power.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2823 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:17:56 PM
@McGovern1981

"it make it a lot easier when no one but the government you command is armed."

The difference between an unarmed man and a man with a rifle is diddly squat if he's going up against a government with tanks, jets, nukes, etc.

As I said before, if I were a tyrant, I'd encourage people to keep their guns as a security blanket; they'd be under the delusion that their gun is keeping them safe from me oppressing them.

"Now tell me how well that helped prevent mass shootings in Norway again?"

They've had one mass shooting (that I know of). Your country has had scores of them. So really, it's worked pretty well for them in general.

"Having offshore oil and strong immigration control is why Scandinavian countries top lists."

Gasp! It's almost like you're admitting that gun control isn't a primary factor in how how utopian a society is!

maggierose78
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 675 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:17:30 PM
There's a lot of gun control laws on the books, why don't we enforce those instead of trying to revoke a right. Just because a law is created doesn't mean people will abide by it unless they are required to and unless they know that there are serious sanctions will be a result. Yes, I know, if serious sanctions were sufficient to stop people from breaking the law, then there would be no criminals, but the people who are against the revokation of the gun rights are, by a majority of the amount, law abiding citizens who would follow laws if they knew about the sanctions.

sabat22
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 4 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:10:06 PM
I can never understand why the gun nuts always point to Nazi Germany as a great example of why everyone should have guns.

The majority of the population supported Hitler. So it would have been better that the Hitler supporting majority had more guns? To do what? Kill more jews? Fight allied troops coming to end the Nazi regime?

I get the idea that you want more guns to defend your basic human rights, but using Nazi Germany as your lead example is just stupid.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13233 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:51:34 PM
So it's up to you to now establish that gun control leads to tyranny.


I never said it did but it make it a lot easier when no one but the government you command is armed. Pretty common sense stuff here......

or that gun-control leads to utopian societies (Scandinavian countries with heavy gun control tend to top all kinds of "best country" lists, as an example).


Utopia dose not or will ever exist you're showing your logic..... Now tell me how well that helped prevent mass shootings in Norway again?

Having offshore oil and strong immigration control is why Scandinavian countries top lists.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2823 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:34:37 PM
@McGovern1981

"Vietnam, Lybia, and Afgahniastan(80's) those all started with samll arms"

And all dictators started with a mother and a father.

You've established correlation. Now please explain the causation. Tyrannies have gun control. But non-tyrannical societies also have gun control. Tyrannies and non-tyrannies also have pie and pumpkins and socks. None of it means anything unless gun-control (or socks) were the SOLE preserve of tyrannies. And they are most definitely not.

So it's up to you to now establish that gun control leads to tyranny. Because I can equally claim that socks leads to tyranny (most tyrannical leaders wore socks), or that gun-control leads to utopian societies (Scandinavian countries with heavy gun control tend to top all kinds of "best country" lists, as an example).

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13233 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:52:48 PM
It would really depend on what we're talking about and it'd be hard to put a good percentage on as I didn't survey the US pop the 47% thing is how many people depend on some sort of welfare a Romney election remark pun.

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 540 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:35:08 PM
@McGovern

I was sincerely curious and not trying to troll.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13233 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:04:42 PM
@Rodin

47% ROFL! I was more refering to coutries who think guns are the problem.

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 540 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:48:45 AM
McGovern -- What percentage of the American public do you feel is brainwashed?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13233 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:23:11 AM
Vietnam, Lybia, and Afgahniastan(80's) those all started with samll arms ssure there's more going off the top of my head. So now following your logic you should just roll over and allow it then huh? Oh just thought of another no outcome yet it's called Syria......not a big fan of either side though.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2823 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:08:46 AM
@McGovern1981

"actually history has shown these things have happened and worked"

Please cite your examples.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13233 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:04:22 AM
And ultimately, don't you think a clever tyranny would reassure and distract you by allowing you to keep your woefully useless guns (remember: tanks, jets, nukes), so you are under the false impression that you can stop them if you chose to?


No they do it by brainwashing you to think they give a f**k about you under the guise of this is for your saftey and mama government ios your friend. Sound familiar?

as for a people fighting again everything you say when was it ever that clear cut and actually history has shown these things have happened and worked......who's brainwashed again?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2823 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:43:06 AM
If it has got to the point where you're trying to defend your liberty with a rifle against a tyrannical government armed with jets, tanks, missiles and nukes, you have already lost the fight.

Liberty is best preserved by preventing tyranny in the first place, and that's best achieved by staying alert and informed, and doing your best not to vote tyranny into power.

Guns are the last resort, not the first. If you have to reach for a gun, then you've utterly, utterly failed.

And ultimately, don't you think a clever tyranny would reassure and distract you by allowing you to keep your woefully useless guns (remember: tanks, jets, nukes), so you are under the false impression that you can stop them if you chose to?

Hell, if I were a tyrant, that's what I'd do: convince my oppressed masses to cling to some useless tool that makes them *think* they had power and influence, to distract them away from any *actual* method of threatening my control.

mjy34222
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 26 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:43:24 AM
I always find it funny when Hitler's picture is associated with gun control. Guns were illegal in Germany until Hitler was elected. He removed most of the gun controls placed on the citizens after WWI and allowed private ownership again.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3201 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:34:46 AM
djwajda,
Are you actually saying that WW1 and WW2 were started by the US? Wow! That's really stupid! Now, let's revisit the Conservative who pulled us out of Vietnam: One of Nixon's promises was to get us out of Vietnam. He waited until it was time to run for re-election before he started to actually do so. Before then he expanded the war tremendously and had us bombing in Laos and Cambodia. In other words, he illegally expanded the war into 2 uninvolved sovereign nations. These actions have a name. They are called "acts of war". Also, while Democrats are certainly more liberal than Conservatives, they are not the equivalent of Liberals - that's a different party, pretty much in the same way that Conservatives and Nazis are from different parties (despite Ollie's constant comparison of Liberals and Nazis).

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3201 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:22:46 AM
"Liberalism means bossing people around and taking their stuff."

Um...actually, that's imperialism. As far as bossing people around? Well, everyone, it seems, tries that to some extent. If you haven't noticed that among the conservatives, Ollie, you're being perposefully blind. Also, I see far more parallels between consevatives and Nazis than the Liberal/Nazi connection you keep making. Remember that saying over and over, no matter how loudly, doesn't have a chance of making it true, even if you do manage to actually convince someone.

HoboKombat
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 40 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:10:51 AM


Delta2Alpha
Male, 18-29, Australia
 117 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:03:23 AM
Hey CrakrJak, we have huge gun control here in Australia. Yet isnt it the USA that has the ability to strike civilian targets with drones, spy on your internet and phone usage, over the top security at airports and other stupid laws taking away your rights? But hey, you got your guns to defend those... umm... what where you saying?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16893 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:15:19 AM
After they take away guns from the citizenry there is simply nothing left in the way of a government taking away the rest of your rights as well.

If you can't defend your rights, then they technically become privileges and can be easily taken away.


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13233 Posts
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:05:04 AM
@lauriloo

Here's the problem with your "false equivalency" Every crazy nut leader Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and ect the first thing they did when trying to get complete control of their population was to disarm them. It's a pattern that can't be disputed it's a fact. Abortion well no not so much there absolutely no pattern.

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