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War Crimes [Pic]

Hits: 6958 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: Misc. | Added by: piperfawn
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richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 1:09:34 PM
This guy was useless as a citizen and couldn't even hold down a job for longer than 6 months. After his mother tried to talk to him, he attacked her with a knife. She kicked him out and because he was jobless and homeless he figure the military was a way to kill two birds with one stone. But was notorious for being argumentative, a wimp, and lazy in the military. He knew of and had access to all the secrets since November 2009 but didn't decided to release anything until January 2010 after the military reprimanded him by taking his day off away because he was constantly up to an hour late for work. To which he started flipping over tables and smashing computers.

The guy is a childish histrionic nutball not a hero.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 1:09:22 PM
"Gets 35 years for exposing war crimes"

What war crimes? The helicopter video of the reporters being shot? Thats wasn't a war crime, that was misidentification of a couple of unidentified reporters who were among armed Al Qaeda insurgents that had been attacking and still were attacking U.S. troops. And the embassy cables definitely were not war crimes that needed to be exposed.

If people think this guy committed a victimless crime they are wrong. No Americans were harmed but multiple African journalists, Chinese human aid workers, pakistani hindus, and multiple others were jailed and sometimes even killed for being suspected of leaking information to the US.

Not to mention it forced thousands of other informants to clam up, and even sparked the arab spring when in Tunisia some of the first protests 10 days after the leak were because one of the cables showed that the President's daughter and her husband had their ice-cream flown in.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13235 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 11:12:29 AM
why aren't you up in arms over Assad gassing innocent civilians in Syria instead of this nonsense.


Well then they'd have to start think about where the gas came from and from past events that occured the answer looks like it might not fit their bantering.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 569 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 8:40:14 AM
Oh puuuhhhlllease! It's like you don't even know the definition or background of the terms. If anything W went out of his way to ensure the US complied with International laws. No W ain't perfect, but if anything I bet you could make a better case against Obama! You want war criminals, why aren't you up in arms over Assad gassing innocent civilians in Syria instead of this nonsense.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13235 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 7:41:44 AM
@piperfawn

If it were oil we wanted it wouldn't be Iraq we'd go after they're not a top supplier to us never were. If you're talking about the coast gaurd watch offshore oil there that would probably be because it's a prime target for some.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13235 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 7:39:32 AM
If you're going to convict Bush of war crime you're going to have to convict congress and all the other European leaders who followed right along they all had a hand in it.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10226 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 7:25:54 AM
Killing Saddam would have left a brutal power vacuum for the next ruthless dictator to take his place. One that Iran could've cozied up to. That was Bush Sr's reason not to depose him, a very good one mind you. Despite all the money we've thrown behind them, democracy by any western standard is NOT flourishing in Iraq.

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4399 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 12:59:50 AM
The more I see and hear of the Bradley Manning case, the more I am reminded of the reasons for the fall of the Roman empire.
The comparison of a dispenser of cluster-farks, to
a transvestite who took his nation's shilling then betrayed the nation's trust is facile.
I take no side in this issue, I merely observe the decline of a once great nation, rotting from within. The 'gung-ho' versus the namby-pamby.
Sort your sht out America, before it is too late.


Sleepyhallow
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1626 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:25:11 PM
When you lie to the government, you go to jail.
When the government lies to you, you still go to jail.

Given the current trend I wonder how much longer before calling 911 to report a crime will get you arrested?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24412 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:07:42 PM
@WhoDat: Exactly correct!
The UN ROE in 1991 required the Coalition Forces STOP because Saddam played the "truce card".

#1 Liberate Kuwait = done!
#2 Prevent re-invasion = done!
#3 Force surrender = Wait, what?

I honestly think NO ONE believed Saddam would squirm out of this alive... but he did!!!

His "so-called surrender" proved an absolute SHAM. Of course!

So the whole world was required to go back in and finish the job! Under the leadership of the USA!

Do "liberals" grasp even the SIMPLEST parts of this? NOPE! They remain "actively ignorant"! Willfully even... it really REALLY pisses me off!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24412 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:56:22 PM
100,000 civilian iraqis died.

HolyGod: ?
#1 WHO killed them? Source please.
#2 If the WHOLE WORLD (except France) had not stopped him? HOW MANY MORE would have died?

Put up or STFU!

Your call dude...

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3615 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:34:49 PM
@djwajda - Agreed, and I found out that a lot of them actually felt betrayed that we didn't finish the job in 1991. I remember this one man who was in his late 50's (I think) coming over to talk with us the day after we took Baghdad. I was surprised because he spoke English very well and he comes over, pats a few of us on the back and says, "Well, it's about time you guys came back. What the f*ck took you so long?" That was the best laugh I ever had in my life!

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11845 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:10:48 PM


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4969 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:33:09 PM
Crakr

"Being hyperbolic much?"

I don't see why that is hyperbolic.

100,000 civilian iraqis died. You said it was worth it to get rid of osama and saddam. I'm asking if you would still feel that way if it was americans instead of iraqis.

Agent00Smith
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2143 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:53:37 PM
"War is a racket" retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16897 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:30:04 PM
HG: "If 100,000 American civilians would have died to get rid of them would it still be worth it to you?"

Being hyperbolic much?

We didn't even lose that many civilians in the Civil War and that was the bloodiest war America has ever had.

So I'll ask you, Were the tens of thousands of lives lost in the civil war worth ending slavery? I think so, even though it was at a terrible cost.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24412 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:34:20 PM
Hmm weird place to defend the population from the evil tiranny.

@piperfawn: Um, it was the DEMOCRATS who SCREAMED that Bush should withdraw from Iraq. Weren't you paying attention? And it is OBAMA's policies in place now.
So: you're saying Obama is doing bad things? Obama' guarding the oil not the civilians? OK!

@HolyGod (and others) are you saying that Coalition Troops killed 100K civilians? BZZZT! The Insurgents killed plenty! On purpose! WHO do you think set off all those bombs in markets?

AND Saddam killed MILLIONS of his own people! Wars, gas, TORTURE PRISONS?

And finally: Saddam DID support terror groups, just not (directly) Al-Quida.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24412 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:19:33 PM
Ah! "Bush Derangement Syndrome" still infecting some people, eh?
Infecting Italians now? Zomg! (lolz!)

What "War Crime" did Bush do? What did Bush do that Clinton AND/OR Obama didn't also do? And they BOTH did worse things than Bush = fyi.

Obama actually violated the US Constitution...

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 848 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:06:25 PM
Or is it she now?

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 848 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:06:01 PM
As far as Manning goes, he's a traitor. Had it simply been information on these 'war crimes' then I could be fine with it to some degree.

Releasing intel that could have gotten soldiers or even civilians killed was complete and utter BS on his part and that is why he got what he deserves.

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 848 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:04:08 PM
@whodat

I agree with you 100%. During the 1st gulf war I can't tell you how many Iraqi EPW's would beg us to go kill Saddam. They were terrified to go back to Iraq when the war ended since they'd surrendered. Kind of always falls back to the fact that had we been allowed to finish the job the first time guys like you probably would never have had to go there in the first place!

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 848 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:00:54 PM
@piperfawn

Everyone loves to go to the 'oil' card however if they bothered to check some facts they'd realize who is benefiting most from Iraq's oil.

And it isn't the USA

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:36:53 PM
Same with Snowden and Greenwald. Exposing he NSA spying on America fine no issue with that. Deciding to drat up spying operations on other countries because "all spying is wrong" in your books drat off. All countries spy on each other it's natural and the done thing. Releasing information like the spying before negotiations at a G8 summit before another very important G8 summit which needed to get agreements on environmental issues and Syria is just purposely inflicting as much damage as possible because you don't like the US of A.

Just listen to Greenwald when he was saying he would be more aggressive and releasing a lot more harmful files. Because the UK confiscated Snowden's encrypted memory stick from Miranda acting as a data mule. The we're exposing war crimes/attack on our citizens privacy. Runs thin when you look at their actions and motives as a whole, they're using it as smokescreen.

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:32:39 PM
The motives of Manning count. If he was exposing war crimes he would have just exposed war crimes he wouldn't have released the sheer scale and bragged about harming the us. Diplomatic cables or what Arab countries had said about Iran to the US didn't need to be leaked. That makes him to me a guy who wanted to inflict harm to the US and if you're going to do that while you're in Military service you have what is coming to you. If you had just released evidence of war crimes then it would be a different case, and a lot more of the population would be in agreement with you and work to get you pardoned.

basketkase
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1183 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:58:25 PM
that guy on the left is a poobag

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