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Ameriucan Educational System Swirling The Drain

Hits: 4995 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: CaptKangaroo
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Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 348 Posts
Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:51:03 PM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the misspelled "American" in the title/caption.

Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 29 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:59:36 PM
Andrew155, with regards to starting everyone on an "equal economic and social footing" as I mention, of course conservatives are the problem. They are the entire country's problem and have been since Reagan!

Male, 40-49, Europe
 1392 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:50:05 AM
Lollotilol.. Privatize your schools, go ahead. At the same time, dismantle teachers unions. Yeah, Finland here, we can't possibly know how it's done right... Oh, wait, we don't have private schools and 100% of teachers are in the union.. We must have the worst schools in the world..

Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17367 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 10:34:19 PM
Remove teachers tenure, allow parents to have school vouchers, hire truancy cops. The resulting system will shake out the crap from the public schools, keep kids from running the streets and raise test scores.

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 8:45:42 AM
lauriloo, you would be a fool to discount a philosophy degree from Columbia as 'not that big of a deal'. It's not the degree I have, but the fact is that you have no idea if it's easier than Engineering or Business. You just assume it to be. You just made it up.

The biggest fact in the world is that a Philosophy degree requires more mental effort than a Business degree at Columbia. Why? Because a Business degree is designed mostly for networking and job finding, not for research, writing, and academic involvement.

As for the Engineering program, there were no Americans in the Engineering program, but I had a German friend in it. It's mostly Chinese students who get there under falsified scores on the GRE and the TOEFL and with a Personal Statement written by a service in China. The TA's are Chinese, so they can coast. The school looks the other way because of the money, the kids are mostly Communist Party leaders' children.

Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5285 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 7:55:35 AM
@gerry (cont'd)

Why I dislike Teacher's Unions in particular:
Too much political power and care aboslutely nothing about holding the teachers accountable.
It's nearly impossible to fire a teacher..for ANY reason:
1) New York has 'reassignment centers' where more than 600 teachers who are deemed to be too dangerous to be around students are paid full time wages for doing absolutely nothing.
2) Locally, a teacher was found guilty of raping a student and sentenced for 10 years in prison. The school system had to pay her full wages for over 3 years while she was in prison before they could figure out a way to fire her.

Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5285 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 7:47:54 AM

I've worked in Union jobs and Non-Union jobs. I MUCH prefer Non.

Personal experiences why I dislike Unions:
I was told, frequently, 'Don't work so hard. We don't want *them* to know how easy this job really is'. (I was threatened with violence for that very reason).
During contract negotiations the phrase 'we'll agree to anything, but WE (the Union members) will do whatever we want, no matter what's in the contract'.
Had a co-worker file a grievance due to missing his contract-mandated break due to 'no one woke me up so I could take my break'. The Union contended that he was not required to stay awake at all times on the clock.

Male, 50-59, Western US
 34125 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 7:10:17 AM

About the union thing, I'm generally a pro-union guy, but when a union becomes so powerful it becomes a political force, then it's no longer serving the need it was created for. California Teachers union is a machine that blocks the way of educational progress.

But as I said, that's only 1/3rd of the problem. Politicians and Parents are the other 2/3rds.

Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 5:36:06 AM
About that 19th century test.

And here's a nice compilation about why education is failing.

Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 5:27:44 AM
Have none of you watched the Finland Phenomenon documentary posted just recently?

Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 5:19:15 AM
"Who really cares about public education? Everyone that matters can afford to send their kids to private school. The poor should be grateful for what they get."

I hope you are being satirical. Education is a basic right. Every other country has most people go to public schools and that's what works best.

Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 3:43:16 AM
A master's degree in what? There's a world of difference between an engineering degree and a philosophy degree.

Female, 40-49, Australia
 4311 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 1:40:47 AM
I dont understand. How are you guys managing to f uck this up that bad??? could be the vaccines, the gmo, and the flouride of course...

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:54:45 PM
turdburglar, the class size thing is a myth. It really doesn't have so much of an effect that it will decide whether or not the kid is smart or a deadbeat. Good schooling can educate classes of 40 better than today (though I don't advocate that).

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:52:36 PM
timeghost, you're in the South Bronx. How the frack are Conservatives your problem? Seriously, it's even more crazy than saying they're the problem in San Francisco, or that Democrats are the problem in West Texas. Democrats control everything in the South Bronx, and in NY state they exercise enough control to make blaming Conservatives sound woefully lame.

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:46:48 PM
lauriloo, I have a Master's degree from Columbia. That's how easy the education system is.

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:09:44 PM
So an article based on an article about the state of New York City's educational system is a solid base for the rest of the country? Some areas are far better(obviously), but the question remains. Basing an evaluation off of one area is just as bad as allowing a larger state, yet small percentage of the country (hey Texas), have nearly a monopoly of what is put in text books in the first place.

The problem is that the educational system tries to standardize itself in the first place. The US is a larger enough country to hold many different cultures and to say one way (one test) satisfies them all is ridiculous. People learn and show their knowledge in different ways.

Hey Shelworth,

Try tacking an exam from when you were in school. Just any pop quiz, weekly test, and so on. See how you do now. Propagating a myth does not solve anything. Kudos for not checking out your own advice and realizing the reason for the result.

**I am an opinionated non-nice

Male, 30-39, Western US
 4283 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:50:29 PM

Here it is...

gerry - that is a low blow at unions. Wether pro or against unions has little to do with this.

The classes are too big, the good teachers are underpaid which leads to crappy teachers teaching. They have little say about how they teach, and are rated on horrible standardized tests. In WAY too many states, religion has restricted what can be taught.

I agree with all you said, but the union part. Not saying unions are all good or all bad. In this case, the unions are doing more good than bad.

Male, 30-39, Western US
 4283 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:49:53 PM

Gerry - dayum, you are on point tonight. I Posted that comment for a couple minutes and then took it down. I did however copy it before I deleted it, so I suppose I should re post it, so you aren't left hanging. I Stand by what I said, I just decided I wasn't willing to argue the point.

Male, 50-59, Western US
 34125 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:04:03 PM

@ Trud - I don't blame the unions solely. All 3 major players failed. Teachers {helped to fail by their union}, Parents who treat school like daycare {don't you dare punish my little Johnny!} And politicians who manipulate and use schools as platforms for political correctness or funding.

Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 29 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:56:25 PM
As a New York City social studies teacher in the South Bronx, I can tell you that the entire American educational system is indeed in trouble. However, you can't really call something broken that has never truly worked to begin with. Standardized testing is absurd unless all students start with an equal economic and social footing, which is obviously not going to happen as long as we have Conservatives who don't look beyond their own biased perceptions and who to one extent or another have a vested interest in privatizing American education.. Though it certainly would not be easy, a more visionary path to improve the American educational system would be to begin with a "kindergarten" starting point, do away with progressive grade levels (1st grade, 2nd grade etc..) and allow children to progress by mastering certain skill sets (ie. skills such as multiplication and geometry in math and specific levels of literacy skills in English language) Such a system would recognize diffe

Male, 40-49, Asia
 13779 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:16:09 PM
Who really cares about public education? Everyone that matters can afford to send their kids to private school. The poor should be grateful for what they get.

Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:05:44 PM
Apparently, Andrew155 hasn't gotten much out of any of his educational experiences. I, on the other hand, made the most of my time in MN public schools, University of MN and the Mpls School of Communication Arts and appreciate everything I gained in the process. Of course, I was lucky that I live in Minnesota, which has one of the best public school systems in the US. I always chose classes that challenged me, not easy-A classes. Always asked for things to do for extra credit. There's a certain amount of personal responsibility necessary to get the most out of ANY education.

Male, 50-59, Western US
 366 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:00:44 PM
Check online for a 6th grade test from 1850 or so, try to take it. Humiliating.

Male, 50-59, Western US
 366 Posts
Thursday, August 08, 2013 7:59:15 PM
What they need to do is throw more money at it, that will fix it.

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