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Richard Dawkins - The Problem With Religion

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Plangkye
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 254 Posts
Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:04:24 PM
I would applaud Richard Dawkins at the drop of a hat if he would quit equating "religion" with "Abrahamic faiths." While I agree with 100% of what he says on scientific topics, as a religious Unitarian Universalist and secular humanist I really find it grating to be lumped together with those who do pass on willful ignorance just because I go to church on sunday morning.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Monday, July 22, 2013 6:09:22 AM


Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 11:02:57 AM

@ HolyGod - that is a great description of Genesis.


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:46:10 AM
Xprez

"Have you ever actually read the Big Bang Theory? It sounds about as far-fetched as some claim the bible to be."

It is complex and confusing because the universe and existence are complex and confusing. I don't know if it is right or even close, but it is very smart people making their very best guess based on the very best information they have.

I will ALWAYS take that over the recycled fairy tales passed down verbally by illiterate people for generations.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:39:47 AM
...Continued

God made everything in a few days and then man was lonely so he took a rib and sand and made woman. But then the woman was bad and ate fruit because of a talking snake so the people got in trouble. Then later all the people were bad so god had a man make a boat and all the kinds of animals in the world got on and the world flooded...

That sounds like an explanation of "how we got here" as told by a 6 year old during made up story time.

So yes I'll take complex and confusing over juvenile and ridiculous.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3646 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:29:35 AM
"What's the meaning of life?"



CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16941 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:47:41 AM
Xprez: "Have you ever actually read the Big Bang Theory? It sounds ... far-fetched"

Yes, scientists, mathematicians, physicists and others have had to twist and contort their own individual theories about it into a conglomerate mess called "String Theory" and even that so-called "unified field theory" is being continuously torn apart and reformed. They are up to 11 dimensions now to explain all this mess, and counting.

All of that still won't ever answer the most puzzling and enigmatic questions of mankind. Who are we? Why are we here? What's the meaning of life?

Choosing to believe that, "...lives are pointless and meaningless, things happen for no reason, and we cease to exist when we die." is bleak and depressing.

It's no wonder the suicide rate is highest among atheists all over the world. Atheists also are generally less charitable, do less volunteerism and have much higher rates of depression.

handimanner
Male, 70 & Over, Western US
 1815 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:12:47 AM
Religion is about control. Eat this, marry this, tithe this, wear this, think this. It's amazing that humans continue to follow edicts formulated by ignorant fools in caves.
My religion dictates that I wipe my ass with a rock in my right hand. All others are infidels who will be killed, God willing.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4221 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:23:16 AM
Gerry, I stand corrected (kinda). You're right, laws against polygamy, smoking pot, etc., are all laws that limit religious freedom, and those are ordinances that certain religious folk could claim trample their religious rights.

But, it's important to note that I said in my original post in this thread that the few cases that there have been of laws like this have been from Christians passing laws against other religions/sects. Perhaps I should have said Evangelicals?

Either way, it's still the religious passing bigoted, discriminatory laws against the everyone else. I for one would be fine with polygamy and pot smoking being legal! Power to the people, Mon!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 6:43:14 AM

SmagBoy, CrakrJak is right. There are laws that limit religious freedoms. Like limiting marriage to only one wife. and ... and...

Okay, I can't think of any others right now. I just woke up, gimmie a break.

KittenCereal
Female, 18-29, Western US
 951 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:56:42 AM
"To have faith is to trust yourself to the water. When you swim you don't grab hold of the water, because if you do you will sink and drown. Instead you relax, and float.

But the attitude of faith is to let go, and become open to truth, whatever it might turn out to be.

In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all.

-Alan Watts

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4221 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:08:35 AM
No laws passed via legislature, but there are laws, interpreted by judges, that HAVE limited the [personal] practice of religion.




No, CrakJak, there aren't. Not if you re-insert the word "personal" in front of practice like I did above--which is what my original statement said. Not in the US. At all. Zero. Your right to practice religion as you see fit is legally limited here ONLY by the rights of others (e.g. no human sacrifice, damaging of the property of others, etc.). Otherwise, you have the right to practice your religion however you choose. And ironically, liberals, atheists and non-Christians will almost universally support you. It's when you start forcing on us that we have a problem. The opposite, by the way, is not true. Discriminatory and bigoted laws are passed all the time forcing Christianity on non-Christian, tax-paying citizens. Frankly, we're getting tired of it and that's why you're hearing more and more about atheism...

Jowsh
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1234 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:09:58 AM
@DromEd The difference between most people with faith and those without is that the latter would change their mind if provided with evidence, and the former don't. I can't disprove that there is a purple octopus living on pluto, and I wouldn't be so arrogant to say I know with absolute certainty that there isn't - however there is no evidence for it so I don't believe there is.

SoCal
Male, 18-29, Western US
 651 Posts
Sunday, July 21, 2013 1:29:58 AM
Religious people are just too scared to try explore different possibilities in their own minds. Where we come from, what is life, is there even meaning to it? The answer could be no.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1706 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:21:08 PM
In these type of arguments the vast majority of people compare the best of whatever side they're on with the worst of whatever side they're opposed. Everything is black or white, don't see any grey areas. Using the same tired old points they heard from others and parading them as fresh. Very few folks can think or are truly honest with themselves anymore. Be whatever you want to be, but be it yourself and stfu.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3646 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:13:15 PM
This is for those who say atheists are the "intolerant ones" who always start sh*t...



tommy2X4
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3330 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:01:23 PM
Man who farts in church sits in his own pew.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1558 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:45:14 PM
I find it the epitome of arrogance for any creature of limited intelligence and lifespan...(ie. anybody alive today) to proclaim with absolute certainty that God does not exist. As a species we aren't yet quite sure what is exactly going on in our own solar system, yet a select few here seem to have the God question nailed down tight.


Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:51:24 PM
I have no problem with people that believe or don't believe. I don't think anyone should be forced or coerced. Your journey and your fate are your own. I do have a problem with those that make it their life's work to discredit and bash those that believe either way. And to what end? What do you win in proving what someone believes in, isn't real? Self-worth? Self-importance? Or is it an incessant need to be right?
I think you will find that most of the world's greatest thinkers and philosophers (past and present) were non-violent and non-confrontational and they didn't incite arguments for the sake of being right.
To put out a fire, you don't match it with fire.

Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:37:00 PM
"On average religiosity is inversely related to education level and intelligence".
What average? I believe in some sort of supreme being. I can't say what that is or where it is. How do you think we began? If we have evolved from a simple mass or from a big bang, why are there not humans-to-be in different stages of this process around now? We have no proof of us in lower forms of life either. Have you ever actually read the Big Bang Theory? It sounds about as far-fetched as some claim the bible to be. And they are about as sure. A lot of guessing, speculation, reasonably certain, and we're not sure(s) in there.
Siding with people deemed intelligent, doesn't make YOU, intelligent.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:56:40 PM
Crakr

"The statistics show otherwise. 92% of the population of the world believe in God or a "universal spirit"."

What do you mean "show otherwise"? Nothing you said contradicts what I said.

92% seems high. Pew Research Center lists "none" as 17% of the population. So the number according to that is 83%, not 92%.

But so what?

30% of the world is illiterate.
50% are uneducated.
70% don't have internet access.
Lots think having your picture taken steals your spirit.

Once again I will state that the number of people who believe a delusion does not increase the validity of the delusion.

If 99.9999999% of the world believed in santa it wouldn't sway my personal opinion on the matter.

There is no arguing that on average religiosity is inversely related to education level and intelligence.

carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6399 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:48:46 PM
Magentab0b: That *woosh* sound you heard was the point of his logic going over your head. Of course he knows the difference between the two religions, but every sect you talk to will have a different list of how they differ from (and and better than) each other. Had he stated that "transsubstantiation" was THE difference between Protestants and Catholics, the religists would be all over him. If you know anything of religion, you surely know that, but I guess you're grasping at some way to discredit his logic and truth.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16941 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:06:25 PM
Smagboy: "no laws have EVER been put into place in our country that limit the personal practice of religion.."

No laws passed via legislature, but there are laws, interpreted by judges, that HAVE limited the practice of religion. Sodomy laws were not incepted as anti-homosexual, they were anti-pervert. Proposed laws to keep sharia law out of our courts are not anti-islamic. Also, an atheists refusal to take an oath of office, or for jury duty, because those oaths have the word God in them, is NOT anti-atheist.

HG: The statistics show otherwise. 92% of the population of the world believe in God or a "universal spirit". Even 21% of atheists and 55% of agnostics believe there is some higher power.

utlanning: I haven't seen you comment much, so perhaps you haven't seen his previous posts on this topic. Trust me, he's basically called all theists idiots in his passive aggressive way.


Magentab0b
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1462 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 7:49:22 PM
Hahaha he doesn't even know the difference from Catholics and Protestants. Holy drat that is funny. That negates his credentials as an authority on religion for me. I don't care how much I agree with everything he said, he comes off as a condescending ass hat.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 7:32:24 PM

Smag - that's what I meant by "as long as they don't expect me to"

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