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Feds Vs Raisins: Small Farmers Stand Up To USDA

Hits: 5108 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: wizemuler
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trippyhippy9
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 562 Posts
Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:04:16 AM
This is the biggest step towards socialism that we currently have an example of.

It just goes to show you that the idiot conservatives here don't know the difference between communism and socialism.

A large portion of the idiot conservatives are even complaining that the liberals aren't defending the government here so they are putting up straw man arguments.

This is quite disgusting.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 451 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:12:26 PM
@Slut_etta what if they say you will get paid 15 dollars an hour if you give then 47% of your work day?

@elderban99 This also stops big business from driving small farmers out of business. It was a necessary evil when the scheme was developed. And if they stopped the program, all these same people would be in another video "government killed my raisin farm"

@randonxnp they have to be fair across the board. All farmers benefit from the artificially high price. You cannot benefit from it without participating. If they want to sell their raisin in foreign countries without price control, then they won't have to give up the percentage.


Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:32:49 AM
It's a natural mistake considering that the underlying philosophies differ only by degree, and not very much at that.

I couldn't disagree more. I think it's no more correct, and no more helpful to a discussion, than it would be for me to start calling every conservative on IAB a fascist.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15102 Posts
Friday, July 19, 2013 9:39:22 PM
I think you may be confusing the words *Communist* and *liberal*.

It's a natural mistake considering that the underlying philosophies differ only by degree, and not very much at that.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15102 Posts
Friday, July 19, 2013 9:32:54 PM
@S4S "Liberals ruin everything they touch."

Yeah, like Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence. What a piece of crap that was.


The founders had almost NOTHING in common with today's "liberals" -- Obama, Reed, Pelosi, Schumer, Bloomberg, etc. Today's so-called liberals are more accurately called "statists." Their lives are entirely devoted to using the coercive power of government to boss people around and take their stuff. They're the exact polar OPPOSITE of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Franklin, and the other founders.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Friday, July 19, 2013 9:31:10 AM
@ CrakrJak: This is what a liberal would say about these farmers: "How dare they keep those raisins?!", "They don't own the land," "Greedy capitalists!"

Really, CJ? I'm a liberal and a progressive. You honestly think that's my opinion on this story? I hope not.

I think you may be confusing the words *Communist* and *liberal*.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, July 19, 2013 9:28:39 AM
@Crakr

All I was getting at was that modern liberalism has very little in common with classical liberalism - which is more closely related to libertarianism.

That being said, I'm pretty sure most diehard liberals consider libertarians to be radical right-wing extremists.

To be entirely honest, I don't even know what "radical right-wing" even means anymore. It seems like that label is applied to anyone and everyone who disagrees with modern liberalism.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Friday, July 19, 2013 8:50:15 AM
HumanAction: It really shouldn't be considered "radical right-wing", but that's how liberals see anyone even slightly to the right of Karl Marx, those they call "Capitalist Pigs".

This is what a liberal would say about these farmers, "How dare they keep those raisins?!", "They don't own the land.", "Greedy capitalists!", "They owe the government for all the roads and water and electricity and infrastructure!" etc...

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, July 19, 2013 6:58:44 AM
@Crakr

Actually Jefferson (and the other founding father's) politics would be considered radical right-wing these days.

How do you figure? What about his ideology specifically is "radical right-wing" as opposed to libertarian?

I suppose the whole supporting a revolution would be consider radical, but he was very much for individual liberty.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Friday, July 19, 2013 6:46:06 AM
HumanAction: Actually Jefferson (and the other founding father's) politics would be considered radical right-wing these days. They'd be calling for another revolution against the big government we have today.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, July 19, 2013 6:34:57 AM
@Squrlz4Sale

Thomas Jefferson was a classical liberal - not a modern liberal.

"Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government."

Today it is most closely associated with libertarianism. A classical liberal would very much be against the large government we have today.

Wiki

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Friday, July 19, 2013 4:39:16 AM
CrakrJak: As much as conservatives are loathe to admit it, the very founding of the United States was a product of liberal thought. That isn't even debatable among anyone who's read Enlightenment authors such as Tocqueville or Paine, any of the good Jefferson biographies, or much graduate-level U.S. History. If you want me to expatiate on this, I will. But I'm going to assume that with a little thought you'll see where I'm coming from.

It's certainly true that Jefferson's ownership of slaves was at odds with his liberal ideals. It was something Jefferson was conflicted about his entire adult life and certainly can be viewed as an ethical failure. It doesn't prevent me from regarding Jefferson as a personal hero; it makes him human and serves to remind me that even a flawed human can achieve great things.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:14:40 PM
Squrlz: Have to love how liberals claim Jefferson was "liberal", except for those "conservative" parts where he owned slaves, believed in God, etc..

A few quotes, "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."

"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever."

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:56:10 PM
Liberals ruin everything they touch.

Yeah, like Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence. What a piece of crap that was.

~rolls eyes~

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15102 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:17:25 PM
Gerry, this NEVER was a good idea. It was as blatantly unconstitutional then as it is now.

Liberals ruin everything they touch.

Ani187
Female, 30-39, Midwest US
 4552 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 6:50:55 PM
I knew I wasn't in the right state of mind to watch this when the first thing I thought was "you don't grow raisins, moron, you grow grapes, jeesh". Maybe I'll try again later. lol

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 6:36:44 PM

It was a good idea when it started. Farmers were being forced off land because they were starving. The country was in danger of not being able to feed itself.

But like all guv'ment programs or agencies, it grows and grows like cancer. The Dept Of Education was once a good idea. Now they don't fund a single teacher. They don't purchase even one school book. But it does consume a lot of money.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:47:48 PM
~Squrlz steps up to the mic~

*tap tap* Is this thing on?

You all just hate the Raisin Reserve Program because you're racists.

=^.^=

I keed, I keed. This situation sounds like a case study in bureaucracy run amok. I really don't think it's the government's role to steal 47% of earnings from farmers to make animated California Raisins commercials. This Raisin Reserve Program needs to be extirpated ASAP.

Pooptart19
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2307 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 4:50:00 PM
Not a single big-government-liberal sticking up for the USDA here? Nice.

QueenZira must be taking a nap at the moment.

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1504 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 4:42:20 PM

Not a single big-government-liberal sticking up for the USDA here? Nice.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:21:32 PM
Rxp: "Don't these f'wits see how that looks?"

Bureaucrats don't care about anything but their paychecks. They can get away with it because you can't sue the individual bureaucrats for "doing their job", as they see it. The farmers only recourse is suing the government itself. No one will get punished for their misfeasance, except the taxpayers who have to pay for these claims.

Unfortunately that's how it is, it stinks and never should've been set up that way.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1271 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:01:22 PM
Why the hell would the government even consider enforcing this? Don't these f'wits see how that looks?

bacon_pie
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2819 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:18:02 PM


elderban99
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 182 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:14:17 PM
So, let me get this straight...

Price fixing is illegal in this country, yet the USDA is forcing farmers to give up a percentage of their crops because they want to regulate ("fix") market prices?

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:45:18 PM
Didn't they get the memo? Self reliance is a crime in USSA now.

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