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Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:50:40 AM
@broizfam, again I agree with all of that which is why I found the original comment ok but not alongside him saying he was anit-gun. to me that is a group that try to limit gun use to avoid the situation you describe.
Thanks 5cats, I sometimes begin to wonder if I am sane after a few posts on here - must try harder to stick to inane comments, much simpler, and probably more in keeping.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26317 Posts
Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:26:51 AM
@grimfusion: While I'd tend to agree with @Musuko42 on this in general? YOUR point about "don't flash a gun unless you intend to use it" is more important. I understand "display of arms" can avoid a violent situation, but if yo "pull it out" it had better be loaded...

@Finker: Don't worry bro, he does this quite often. While I think @Musuko42 is an "OK Guy" he seems to have issues... like ME! (lolz!)

I think @Finkers's post have been the most consistent, sane and rational in this thread. Not that the helps on IAB or anything...
(@Broizfam gets second place! lolz!)

jeepjones
Male, 30-39, Canada
 555 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:26:23 PM
Idiot and a criminal eh? Well maybe to some, but I tell you what, if you've ever been in a unprovoked & severely violent confrontation which I have, you end up with 2 choices for the future. #1 You become completely withdrawn from life,family,friends etc and never ever leave your little "safe zone" or #2 you do whatever you have to do to feel safe, to feel protected and to best get on with your life no matter what it is you have to do, even if that means being issued a special government issued gun license that permits you to carry a concealed weapon in a country (Canada) that would normally consider it illegal.
So if you want to call me a criminal go right ahead, we just have two different definitions of the word, I define "Criminal" as the people that made me have to do this, while you would call me a "Criminal" for having enough self worth and self preservation for getting on with my life as best as I can. I didn't choose this.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:12:59 PM
Finker,
You're right. I wouldn't say that. What I would say, though, is that this is the kind of situation that people who want to carry guns want them for. A problem with that, though, is that some people will brandish the gun to show how tough they are. Then the other pulls his to show that he's tough, too. Then they both have to wonder, "Is he going to shoot me? Maybe I should shoot first." If they only kill each other then Darwin is satisfied. Unforunately, there's no way to control where a bullet that misses its mark, or passes through and still at injuring speed, will come to rest and there are a lot of innocent people nearby. People, children, have been killed in their homes because of stray bullets fired stupidly in anger. In that sense, at least, guns *do* kill people. That's why I don't advocate them. They also kill, in a sense, when idiots leave them around loaded, safety off, with children present. Some tragedies are, absolutely, avoidable.

infantry0
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 165 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:50:58 PM
probably should stop saying drat you to the crazy guy, idiot.

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:49:39 PM
broizfam, I agree with everything you say. I can't see you saying this video "is EXACTLY the kind of situation the firearm is for"

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:43:44 PM
Finker,
I'm anti-gun. Never owned one, don't want to. Only ever fired a 22 caliber rifle, as a kid, on a firing range at a vacation horseback riding ranch under strict supervision. I absolutely believe people should NOT be carrying guns around since they get used too easily for bad reasons and, even when being used for good reasons, bad things happen such as injuries and deaths from stray bullets. I can still understand, though, that someone in the same situation as the driver of the car being accosted might feel he needed to draw a gun to protect himself from the aggressive idiot, if he happened to have one on him. Clearly, it wasn't necessary since Idiot didn't actually attack, except by hurling a can, early on, while driving. That's why I'm against those guns being out there in public...there's too good a chance someone would actually have shot Idiot. I'm hoping that, instead, he'll pay a good size fine, spend some time in jail, and a good long while on foot or in taxis or buses

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:40:50 PM
To give you a different example:
"I am anti-domestic violence but this is exactly the situation that being able to punch your partner is for."

Personally I can't reconcile that comment with being anti-violence. I don't see it as understand the person, I see it as a comment that to some extent condones the violence. If you can split that then fair enough, we just see the world differently.

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:24:45 PM
@broizfam, condone - to give tacit approval to. I take a comment that this is exactly the situation to use a gun to be slightly biased. The word exactly goes beyond merely understanding the view of the gun carrier and adds his own view about how appropriate it is. I am sure many if not all in the anti-gun camp would say this is exactly the situation when people shouln't have guns. It is no way the comment of somebody coming from a clear anti-gun point of view, it is somebody who won't carry themselves but condones the use of guns.

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:18:12 PM
@Musuko. A police force is different to a vigilante, there is a legal process. If you said a gun if for killing I would not have said you were condoning shooting, if you said this is a situation where it is ok to use a nuclear bomb I would have commented.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4815 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:54:13 AM
Pretty clear the guy was being a wanker in general but had targeted one driver in particular. He certainly needs to lose his license. Provoked? Bollocks; he's messing with everybody and needs sorting out.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:03:47 AM
Finker,
You're looking in the wrong book. Not to be a wise-a$$ but you need to check a dictionary. He's not "condoning", he's "comprehending" why someone in that situation might feel the need to defend himself and, in a society where carrying a gun is allowed, why he might defend himself by taking out his gun. That's ALL he's saying. He's not suggesting that the person SHOULD pull a gun, just understanding why that person MIGHT.
Musuko,
Your welcome but why are you condoning the destruction of cities? (hehehe)

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:17:36 AM
Musuko, total strawman, never claimed anything justified this. You know, there can be an event that can cause something (like this rage) without that event justifying what that something is (the rage). It's not that difficult.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:11:02 AM
@Finker

"Letting others do that for you while trying to say you aren't doing it yourself is just denial in my book."

Letting others do it is exactly what most civilisations decided to do when they created police forces.

My stance is that nobody should be (or need to be) arming themselves for self-defence.

"Saying I am anti-gun, but "[this] is EXACTLY the kind of situation the firearm is for" is just a nonsense."

There is no nonsense in my view: if a gun is going to be carried for self-defence, this IS the situation it is being carried for. This does not mean I agree with that being the case.

I can say that a nuclear weapon is intended for destroying cities. Would that statement, to you, seem that I am condoning the destruction of cities?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:06:24 AM
@Finker

"You seem to be trying to say gun carrying is ok but you are anti-guns."

I'll refer you to broizfam's post, which exactly explains my position. Thank you broizfam.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:04:04 AM
@grimfusion

"Don't take your drating gun out unless you mean to use it. Grow some balls."

Must I again say it? I AM ANTI GUN! Jesus Christ.

Seriously...are people reading what they want to see so they can have an argument, rather than actually reading the words on the screen?

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:51:12 AM
@broizfam, in my book condoning it isn't anti gun. Musko seems to want to be in both camps at the same time imo. If you have concealed weapons then the non carriers will benefit from the caution that arrises due to the possibility that some nut will shoot you in an argument. Letting others do that for you while trying to say you aren't doing it yourself is just denial in my book. Saying I am anti-gun, but "[this] is EXACTLY the kind of situation the firearm is for" is just a nonsense. I disagree with his view, that is all.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:29:44 AM
Oops,
System crashed. Didn't know the comment posted!

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:28:52 AM
Finker,
You're completely missing Musuko's point. He's saying that, while he doesn't support carrying guns for self defense, he could understand someone pulling out a gun in a situation like this in a society that permits it. He's UNDERSTANDING it, not ADVOCATING it. Big difference.

grimfusion,
You're right that neither yelling nor approaching your vehicle necessarily consititutes a threat, but yelling at you WHILE approaching your vehicle denotes a pretty high likelihood of threat especially after the stupid, dangerous behavior of the idiot doing the yelling. Could detect no inappropriate act by the 1st person driver, who really maintained his cool. I wouldn't have. Idiot probably wasn't paying attention and something happened that he assigns blame to 1st person driver for. I've had that happen in rush hour traffic in NY. Idiot needs his license revoked permanently, car confiscated and sold, proceeds donated to charity (in the name of 1st person driver!).

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:09:57 AM
grimfusion,
Yelling doesn't constitute a threat, nor does approaching your car. I think yelling in anger while approaching the car has significant potential for threat especially after the prior stupid, dangerous behavior of the idiot. The driver of the 1st person car did nothing wrong I could see. Probably something happened to the idiot when he wasn't paying enough attention to see who was actually at fault, and it may even have been the idiot. That's happened to me in rush hour traffic in NY.
Finker,
You're missing Musuko's point entirely. He's saying he DOESN'T like guns for self defense but, in a society where guns are permitted for this purpose, he could understand someone pulling it out in a situation like this one. He's not SUPPORTING gun use here, he's UNDERSTANDING it.
Idiot needs to have his license revoked permanently, car confiscated and sold, proceeds donated to charity. He endangered everyone on the road out of pure sh*t brained stupidity.

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:34:28 AM
I'm not ignoring anything, but what's the point of having a gun, the whole point is that it is a threat to shoot. If the other person pulls a gun in response would you say I was only kidding and put it down? You seem to be trying to say gun carrying is ok but you are anti-guns. You also seem to be doing a fair job of showing that people get worked up waaaaay too easily. You may say you are anti-gun but you then say a cross person walking up to your car is the situation a gun is for. You have a funny idea of being anti-guns.

grimfusion
Male, 18-29, Western US
 61 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:18:36 AM
@Musuko42: Yelling doesn't necessitate a threat. Neither does approaching your vehicle. If you're so gun happy that you feel the need to "protect" yourself in low-conflict situations by flashing a firearm regardless of your position, you might benefit from some therapy.

Don't take your drating gun out unless you mean to use it. Grow some balls.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:00:55 AM
@Finker

PS: Again, are you willfully ignoring that I AM ANTI GUN?

I *AGREE* with you that a culture where guns are pulled regularly is not smart. What I was *SAYING* is that where such a culture of guns being used for self-defence *DOES* exist, that pulling a gun when being approached by an angry person shouting abuse, as jeepjones suggests, *IS* a legitimate example of being threatened and using a gun for self-defence.

Seriously...ARE you willfully ignoring what I'm saying, and...what...just replying to an imaginary conversation?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:56:16 AM
@Finker

I'll ask again:

How about you let me know where I said "shoot"?

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:27:05 AM
@Musuko42, I missed nothing. People get in cars, then they get carried away when cross. If both start pulling guns when anger and fear is involved then there's a good chance it will get out of hand too.

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