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Robber Shot As People Line Up For Lebron Shoes

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Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:43:01 PM
This post is so old by now, who knows who will read it :)

I think ill have to read the book. Ill pick it up during my summer vacation.

Easy answers to the mistakes the engineers made can be:
- Lack of information given.
- Change of the use of the given structure.
- Unwillingnes from the people who ordered the product, to change the design after having schematics delivered.
- Poor engineering.

In my daily life Im forced to make decisions that I know arent perfect, because otherwise the design will be changed countless times and I would spend weeks catching up. This is often not because I make mistakes, but because changes are made, after the architectural design was supposed to be finished. Its a game of cat and mouse where money plays a huge role. And its understandable that the users of the final product dont see or understand the process behind it. It sure is easy to just blame the engineer.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:09:37 AM
This post is so old by now, who knows who will read it :)

I think ill have to read the book. Ill pick it up during my summer vacation.

Easy answers to the mistakes the engineers made can be:
- Lack of information given.
- Change of the use of the given structure.
- Unwillingnes from the people who ordered the product, to change the design after having schematics delivered.
- Poor engineering.

In my daily life Im forced to make decisions that I know arent perfect, because otherwise the design will be changed countless times and I would spend weeks catching up. This is often not because I make mistakes, but because changes are made, after the architectural design was supposed to be finished. Its a game of cat and mouse where money plays a huge role. And its understandable that the users of the final product dont see or understand the process behind it. It sure is easy to just blame the engineer.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3678 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:27:18 PM
Essersmith-"I would characterize Grendel as a trollish creature at the very least."

Some people would, but I preffer the character from this work, which is a different take on the classic Beowulf.:


Over the years, chemical lab tech to Research Chemist in the textile, petroleum, polymers & wastewater industries (with a little work with radioactive materials thrown in). Currently overseeing material shipments of a global chemical industry.

Whereas you see the final work of architects and expect mistakes, working in the manufacturing and chemical business for decades I see the final work of engineers, and have to try and work around the mistakes they designed into the systems.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:44:40 PM
I believe your reading comprehension is in question now. You clearly didnt read what i said. I didnt ACCUSE you. You stated it pretty blatantly, but we already adressed the disagreement in deriving the content.

I would characterize Grendel as a trollish creature at the very least.

Your examples of poor engineers sadly show a bad image of us. But the same examples can be found on any given field. In my line of work, its generally accepted that Architects are idiots who have no sense of reality. I know this is wrong but I approach any drawing by an architect to be riddled with mistakes, and its my job to make sense of it and make it possible.
Im curious, what is your field of work?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3678 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:15:28 PM
Essersmith-"I assume your theory is based on talking to actual engineers and getting to actually know them?"

Yes, direct interaction with them and their designs.

I knew one that designed and built a loading rack for tank truck..without bothering to find out how tall a tank truck is. Beautiful loading rack..just couldn't pull a truck under it.

I also knew another that couldn't figure out, through the process of elimination, which way to turn the lug-nuts on his car to get a flat tire off.

I know quite a few good engineers. Unfortunately I know MANY more engineers than I know good engineers.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3678 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:13:27 PM
Essersmith-"Its clearly a troll on your picture"

No, it's the character Grendel from Beowulf. You know "Grendel this monster was called, a grim spirit. A hellish enemy. Keeper of the fen and the fastness." (unfortunately 'Grendel' was not availlable, as it became popular after that crappy movie a few years ago)

Essersmith-"because i rarely read what i would characterize as well founded opinions"

Well, as mentioned, reading comprehension.

Essersmith-"I didnt accuse you of equating anything"

Actually, the word you used was 'equalling'. as in "equalling gun nuttyness with intelligence" (your direct quote).

Essersmith-"i derived that gun ownership = intelligence."

I cannot help what you infer. I was stating that criminals are below average intelligence (which for the most part they are). As anyone can obtain a gun, it in no way can reflect upon intelligence.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:48:22 PM
Also, congratulations! you improved at least in my book. A whole reply without insulting me.
Sadly im impressed, but its definately a step in the right direction!

And id love to debate a controversal topic with you some day.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:45:01 AM
Also, congratulations! you improved at least in my book. A whole reply without insulting me.
Sadly im impressed, but its definately a step in the right direction!

And id love to debate a controversal topic with you some day.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:40:27 AM
@Megrendel
Your name is two-fold. Its clearly a troll on your picture, and because i rarely read what i would characterize as well founded opinions. Mostly bashing of others opinions.
I never question your intelligence or ability to interact with people because i have no basis for it, and this is the internet, i feel no reason to lash out to people who might likely just be trolling.

I didnt accuse you of equating anything, you stated that he was a criminal and him dying was increasing the general intelligence and therefore the guy who shot him must have been of more intelligent sort. Hence i derived that gun ownership = intelligence. A tad deep, but I seem to remember that you are pro guns, so it seemed likely.

I assume your theory is based on talking to actual engineers and getting to actually know them? Otherwise its an unfounded opinion based on prejudice. Im sure you are also aware that "engineer" is a free title while civil engineer is not. Ther

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3678 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:54:15 AM
Essersmith-"Basically a monkey with fancy pants is what i am."

Hey, you may be a great engineer, I have nothing to base it on. But I know many more bad engineers that I do good ones.

The only thing I can judge about you is your reading comprehension, as you falsly accused me of equating gun ownership with intelligence, when I did no such thing.

Essersmith-"You throw around a lot of insults have you noticed that? "

This coming from someone who uses the term 'MeGrentroll'.

The bit about the engineer is actually not an insult so much as my general theory on the majority of engineers. Be happy to discuss it with you one time. I was discussing the same point at the barber one day with a friend, an old gentleman next to me burst out laughing and said, "I was really getting pissed about your opinion on engineers, as I'm a retired engineer, then I realize my wife is a retired third-grade teacher."

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:25:32 AM
@McGovern
Im still not british...
Seeing a sad side is not actually reflecting about how or what makes the said sad side have such a wildly different opinion than yours.
Seeing something from another side involves questioning your own reasons and questioning if someone else might have a valid point, regardless of if it undermines your own. Its difficult to do, but its so enriching.

@Megrentrol
Well wow you definately got me there. Spot on. Basically a monkey with fancy pants is what i am.

You throw around a lot of insults have you noticed that? How comes? does it make you feel good to tell people they arent intelligent? or that they read and write below a native english speakers level? I wish I was such a real badass with a stunning wife and successfull in every aspect of your life, just like you. Good stuff man. Rock on.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3678 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:40:28 AM
Essersmith-"My degree in civil engineering came very natural to me."

Ah, Engineer. That explains the reading comprehension problem and the lack of social skills. (by any chance is your wife either an elementary school teacher or a day-care provider? I've found that a disproportionate number of engineers tend to marry women with those jobs...as they are used to dealing with children.)

Essersmith-"But anyone can become an engineer these days."

I agree. The basic definition of an engineer is a person who's been educated far beyond their intelligence.

godthaab-"shooting over a pair of shoes?"

No, the shoes were not involved. It was a shooting over an idiot attempting to rob a line of people of their hard earned money.

A couple in the line were disinclined to capitulate.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12728 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:06:24 AM
The whole pledging your allegiance to the flag every morning in English class was quite shocking.


Said the people that sing "God Save the Queen."

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12728 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:49:40 AM
I do think that alot of you are unwilling or incapable of seeing Things from other sides.



I see a sad side that has a fear of inatimate object because people can't take blame for their own actions in the pussification of the planet. The UK is quite the leader in that.....

godthaab
Male, 18-29, Canada
 220 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:49:18 AM
shooting over a pair of shoes? Gimme a break!

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:46:58 AM
@McGovern

I feel that we have made progress here, finally we can agree on something. Gunownership obviously does not euate intelligence or mental stability.

@MeGrentroll
Nah Reading isnt my strong suit. My degree in civil engineering came very natural to me.
But anyone can become an engineer these days :)

Wendypants
Female, 30-39, Canada
 1947 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:13:23 AM
@Essersmith, 'a little'
BWAA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
that's gonna have me chuckling all day!

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:52:42 AM
The whole pledging your allegiance to the flag every morning in English class was quite shocking.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:49:53 AM
@Mcgovern
Never called you brainwashed. I do think that alot of you are unwilling or incapable of seeing Things from other sides.

However ive gone to american highschool, sooo I Guess I would say a little brainwashing is going on.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3678 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:05:23 PM
Essersmith-"equalling gun nuttyness with intelligence"

Obviously intelligence is not something you're familiar with, nor is reading comprehension.

I did not equate gun ownership with intelligence. I equated criminality with lack of intelligence.
So, every time a drug addict overdoses, the average intelligence goes up.
Every time a criminal is shot in the commission of a crime, the average intelligence goes up.
Every time a drunk driver kills himself, the average intelligence goes up.

Think of it as Evolution in Action.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12728 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 1:50:48 PM
@Essersmith

Ya cause gun ownership somehow equates to inteligence level and mental stability.... and you call us brainwashed lol!

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 1:24:15 PM
@MeGrentroll

Hah good one, equalling gun nuttyness with intelligence... thats the first joke ive seen you make.

Perhaps he should have considered that hes in the US and that there are 3 people around him more messed up than he is.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3678 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 12:31:52 PM
DromEd-"DOES THE PRESIDENT KNOW ABOUT THIS!?"

Well, he 'said' he does...but he might be lying.

@CreamK. My point this entire time is not that anyone SHOULD get killed, for anything. But that IT IS ALWAYS a possibility. Criminals know this, yet do it anyway.

Think of it as Evolution In Action. Every time some criminal is killed through his own stupidity, the mean intelligence goes up just a wee bit. (and you have to be a special kind of stupid to not consider the possibility that a group of people waiting in line for Labron in Atlanta, GA might have at least one person who is armed)

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1394 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 11:19:51 AM
MeG wrote.......I happen to think all politicians should be honest, and we see how well that's working out.


Wait...what...? You mean politicians lie to us?! DOES THE PRESIDENT KNOW ABOUT THIS!?

normalfreak2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 830 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 10:45:27 AM
If the robber had a gun and pointed it he deserved to get shot.

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