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Female Supremacy

Hits: 8229 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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KitFox
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 503 Posts
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:15:53 AM
@ Madduck: I think European and American Feminism have different connotations. I've heard that European Feminists have remained fairly true to striving for equal rights. It's American Feminists that have perverted it and made it into Island of the Cannibal Penis Haters.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5792 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 11:13:11 PM
Equal Pay act came in 1970, and when I started work in 1980 it was common practice to give men different job titles to pay them more. Marital rape was outlawed in 1981- again it was well into the 90's before the police would intervene in what they saw as 'a domestic'

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1580 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 8:36:03 PM
Hell, I'm all for equality but there's a portion of IAB/society that seems to disregard the fact that there are DIFFERENCES between men and women. The differences exist and are NECESSARY. You know evolution being responsible for the way things are.

CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2994 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 5:31:13 PM
i would comment on the video but as a man I have already lost the debate. for it i'm an enabler for those that want to abuse the situation to be equal but greater. against it and i'm a sexist pig that just wants to hold women down. and offering up the idea of actual equality will never be believed no matter how sincere.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 4:04:56 PM
Equal pay, the right not to be assualted in my own home... all this is very recent


Where? Here in England, it's been 300 years...that's not very recent and it's not in your lifetime.

I would say I advocate for women, but the things I want as equality advantage men too, most of the time.


Giving the serfs scraps from the table of consideration, sometimes, when it's unavoidable, is not equality.

I would dispute that Angillion- I self identify as a feminist.


You can dispute it, but you can't refute it. You can't be a feminist and advocate sexual equality - the two are not just mutually exclusive but inherently in opposition.

And no, it isn't about raping wives. It's about education. It's about healthcare. It's about social status. It's about representation in politics and law. It's about parenthood. It's about *everything*.

Sexism isn't the answer to sexism unless you want

Tupinambis
Male, 18-29, Western US
 566 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 1:23:56 PM
Soon, hopefully very soon, people will start realizing it's about the skills you have, not your race, sex, w/e-the-drat. If you're as dumb as a drating stump, say hello to your new bed, the hard sidewalk, day old rotting pizza in the trash, and hopefully no aid from the government.

Why should the educated help support those which have no interest in truly bettering themselves or being useful to society? Especially in 'Merica, I've noticed that a lot of people feel entitled to being supported by the system, simply because "I'm an American citizen". Why haven't we adopted intelligence based eugenics?

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5792 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 1:10:47 PM
I would dispute that Angillion- I self identify as a feminist. I want to be equal- and I am old enough to remember a time when it really was not equal at all.. but I am not that old. Equal pay, the right not to be assualted in my own home... all this is very recent so for most of it I would say I advocate for women, but the things I want as equality advantage men too, most of the time. Some don't- you might not want to rape your wife ( the very thought) - but I suppose knowing you can no longer do it could be removing an advantage... but generally if I have the right to a fulfilling career, you must have the right to stay at home to do childcare- so it should balance. I am a woman though..I want equality....

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 12:43:43 PM
Well there goes another comment section courtesy of trollgilion


Yes dear. I'm such a troll for providing evidence of that damned inconvenient thing called reality that contradicts your fervent advocacy of unending sexism and the false statements you make in support of it.

Advocating sexual equality isn't trolling. It's something I feel strongly about. I don't care if it offends you, since I have no respect for you. I have no expectation of persuading you to stop trying to destroy the very idea of sexual equality - your position is based on faith and conditioning, so I couldn't change your mind even if I cared enough about you to try.

Trolling involves posting opinions you don't actually have just to annoy people. I do advocate sexual equality and my motive in saying so isn't annoying people, so I'm not trolling. But don't let reality get in your way - why change the habit of a lifetime?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 12:32:22 PM
Also, if feminism was about sexual equality (which it so obviously isn't and never can be) then the extremes of feminism would be extremes of sexual equality. They're not. The extremes of feminism are extremes of sexism, especially antimale sexism, because the foundation of feminism is sexism, especially antimale sexism.

There are feminists who want a to "phase out" malesness from humanity, a final solution to the male problem. That's a feminist position. In fact, it's the purest feminist position - the purest form of group advocacy is advocating that only that group should exist.

You can be a feminist or you can advocate sexual equality. You can't do both because they fundamentally oppose each other.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 12:27:28 PM
Feminists are not some special breed- they are women- who want to be equal to men, and men who want women to be their equal. It is very simple really...


Simple...and wrong.

Feminists are people who advocate for female people*.

In order to do that, it is obviously essential as a first step in everything to define people not just by their sex but as their sex, i.e. the opposite to what you've advocated in another thread. It's impossible (obviously) to advocate for female people without defining people as female or other.

So even the most moderate strains of feminism are profoundly and innately sexist because they require defining people by their sex and judging people on the basis of sexist stereotyping (advocating only for female people requires judging that only female people are worthy of consideration).

* More accurately, female people who conform to whatever any given feminist thinks they should.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4608 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 11:03:58 AM
As a straight, white, middle-class male in a comfortable small town in a western democracy I'm doing just fine.

I don't feel oppressed by anyone, especially not women. Or anyone else, really. It's working for me. So we probably shouldn't change anything.

KitFox
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 503 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 10:38:29 AM
Meh, this was boring. It's much simpler than this. Some people are Feminists because they want women to have equal rights. And some people are Feminists because they are sexist or (in male Feminist cases) feel they need to overly prostrate themselves. Annoying that.

YugureKage
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1211 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 10:23:48 AM
And it makes me angry that women are given special treatment and poo. I don't believe anyone should be given special treatment, just treated with the same respect as everyone else over all. I'm probably not making much sense any more, so I'm done.

YugureKage
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1211 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 10:21:15 AM
in a perfect world we would have a perfect meritocracy in which gender, race, sexual orientation, whatever had nothing to do with anything and only the merit and skill of the individual counted. However, that will never happen, no matter how much people scream out for "equality". Also, it is this kind of crap that gives feminism a bad name. All i want, as a woman, is the right to have the final say over my body (like with abortion). I know that things are equal now when it comes to school and jobs, I have as many opportunities as any guy with the same skills and that makes me happy. That's all i want and I've got it. But Gerry said it, for these peoples' agendas it will never be enough. And that will be their downfall.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5792 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 10:09:33 AM
The video is some rather silly man whining a lot, cherry picking and being an arse. I can distort as much as he can- does this actually achieve anything at all- no.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 9:14:55 AM
madduck didn't watch the video. Either that, or she didn't really address anything the video actually said. "It's very simple really...."

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5792 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 8:57:58 AM
What unmitigated rubbish. Men and women are not equal, they are more equal now than for a very long time, and that imbalance does not always favour men either. Women get paid, on average, less than men because they tend to do more child care. Men get a smaller slice in some areas of healthcare, they tend to get the short end of the stick when it comes to childcare..
Equality means just that- and equality is something men want just as much as women- but some men see any loss of privilege as losing a right rather than losing an advantage. Feminists are not some special breed- they are women- who want to be equal to men, and men who want women to be their equal. It is very simple really...

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13447 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 6:47:05 AM

slut_etta
Female, 50-59, Southern US
 3373 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 6:09:01 AM
nobody said life was fair. as a female, i've felt discriminated against at certain times in my life and i've felt at other times that i was granted an unfair advantage.

so unless the situation of discrimination is particularly egregious, say an unfair child custody battle (something i can talk about at length), just suck it up and move on.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 6:05:00 AM

" know for a fact men still make more money on average than women here for the exact same amount of work done in a day at that"

Used to be true, no longer is.
But when has anyone in these political things ever declared victory? "We Want Equality" but have you ever heard them say "We Got It Yeah!" No, it suits their agenda to continue this outdated story.

30 years ago they earned less. Now they earn the same. Every company I've ever worked for has exact hiring salary rules. Everyone starts at a specific amount, raises are according to a scheduled system, promotions come with standardized raises. Male or female doesn't come into it.

Other factors come into play as well, such as career fields, taking time off etc.

fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1947 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 5:54:08 AM
When I hear this guys voice, all I can think of is the Benny Hill theme.

Reganom
Male, 18-29, Europe
 505 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 5:43:35 AM
Also...

Do I think that in some areas woman have the short end of the stick? Yes. I also believe that in other areas men have the short end of the stick. It's not anywhere as simple as people like to spin it. To make the suggestion of "inequality to beat inequality" is silly. Are we going to force women to account for more workplace deaths? Increase their liklihood of killing themselves?

Reganom
Male, 18-29, Europe
 505 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 5:32:32 AM
What the hell was his point about Wimbledon tickets and prize money?!


His point was that the female matches bring in less money, last for a shorter period of time, have a lower skill level, yet the pay is equal. Or equal pay for unequal work.

I know for a fact men still make more money on average than women here for the exact same amount of work done in a day at that.


You mean the averages which generally don't account for job differences, genuine hours worked, time off, negotiation of contract, willingness to work in crappy enviroments, longer commutes? When variables are accounted for the wage gap rapidly shrinks. But if you do that, you don't have the shock statistics do you.

MrAtari
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1408 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 4:08:56 AM
16. They have more orgasms
17. They have the better bodies

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4608 Posts
Monday, May 06, 2013 1:53:25 AM
What a whiney jerk.

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