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Jamestown's Dark Past Is Finally Revealed

Hits: 6452 | Rating: (3.2) | Category: Science | Added by: Squrlz4Sale
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KitFox
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 538 Posts
Friday, May 03, 2013 9:58:18 AM
This explains the Salem Witch Trials. Women are tastier.

HokieHiTech
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 67 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 6:41:52 PM
Good spot and croaker fishing off Jamestown island, even in the winter, my friends cottage is right across the tier from there by he ferry. Just saying. Fishsticks.

HokieHiTech
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 67 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 6:41:19 PM
Good croaker fishing off Jamestown island, even in the winter, well it's okay, we fish there in nov- dec all the time. Striper run too those months. Just saying, Fishsticks ! Must have been rough.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:14:59 AM
@Draculya

If they were from the UK you'd starve to death.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 6:31:49 AM
@DrProfessor: You make a great point. I like it!

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3884 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 6:27:42 AM
@Squrlz4Sale: Yet, those desperate gentlemen who clearly *needed* some labor-class help more than anything in the world somehow managed to twist things so that those laborers paid *them* to come and be the lifeblood of the colonies. Indentured servants, they spent years working off the "debt they incurred" for the passage over, when really it was in the best interest of the colony.

...You know, I'm starting to notice a pattern here...

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 6:23:23 AM
@SpermNinja: Last one from me for awhile.

Regarding Shakespeare's *The Tempest*, some critics think that the reason the Bard was so spellbound by the tales from the New World was that he was nearing the end of his own life and viewed the New World as a metaphor for the hereafter: some unknown destination from which you don't return. The aura of magic and mystery that pervades the play is, of course, one of its hallmarks:

Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.


(Act i, Scene. 2)



(I'm missing grad school this morning--can you tell? >.<)

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:59:19 AM
@SpermNinja: You've got me obsessing on this topic, and I can't stop. A pox on you!

Anyway, as I wrote earlier, a major problem with the Jamestown colony was that the majority of the colonists were gentlemen investors and their personal servants who, back home, dressed them and served them tea. Neither class of men had any experience of self-sufficiency whatsoever.

In one letter to the financial backers of the expedition back in England, the leader of the Jamestown colonists wrote (I'm paraphrasing): "For God's sake, send us some gardeners, carpenters, masons, fishermen, and blacksmiths! We'd rather have thirty of those than a thousand more gentlemen such as ourselves, who would only be so many mouths to feed."

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:50:31 AM
@ SpermNinja: Great info; thanks. The story of Pearce, in particular, is appalling.

"Ever so good of you to take me along like this, old chap. How can I repay you?" >.<

You're right about the parties starving with abundant food around them that they simply didn't know how to eat. In the Jamestown case, they were on the edge of the Chesapeake Bay. All winter long, they could have caught blue crabs by the bushel basket simply by throwing in baited lines. (Although by the time of the famine, it was unsafe to leave the walls of the fort since the Indians were killing settlers on sight.)

More trivia: A major reason that the 14-year-old girl's corpse of this video was cannibalized was that a resupply expedition to Jamestown was scattered by a hurricane, shipwrecked on Bermuda, and much delayed. One eyewitness account of that storm and the resulting shipwreck became a major source for Shakespeare's *The Tempest*, written in 1610-11.

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4759 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:35:00 AM
Draculya & auburnjunk:-
'I hope they not American dicks. That'd give a man a coronary'
Dicks = junk; junk food = coronary, so probably true.

SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
 458 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:47:26 AM
*survived.

SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
 458 Posts
Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:46:12 AM
Horrible. There's a couple of similar stories from Australia's past. Alexander Pearce, a convict in Tasmania escaped with seven other prisoners in 1822, they never took any food with them, and ended up murdering and cannibalizing each other. Pearce, the only survivor, was re-captured. However, the constabulary did not believe his story and sent him back to gaol to finish his sentence. He escaped again, less than a year later with another young convict, who was taken along specifically as a source of food. when he was captured again he was still carrying pieces of human flesh in his pockets. this time he was hanged.

Then there's the Burke and Wills expedition (1860-61) in which 19 men set off from Melbourne with the intent to reach the Gulf of Carpentaria.Seven of the party,died of starvation.

In both of these cases, and possibly in Jamestown, These men died literally surrounded by edible plants and Animals, if they hadn't pissed off the natives, maybe they might've h

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12616 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:47:42 PM
@auburnjunky I hope they not American dicks. That'd give a man a coronary.

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2482 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:39:45 PM
Thanks for Squrlz & Auburn.
It's hard to imagine that 'harsh winter'.
without indoor heating and order in pizza/Chinese menu. Very harsh.
Hope they atleast had good Tea to wash down the neighbor.
Ugh


auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10160 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:18:53 PM
@Sutra:

They were stupid, and the winter screwed growing.

The Indians were pissed, and killed them on site.

They holed up in their town, and ate whatever.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10160 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:17:38 PM
Eat a bag of dicks Draculya.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12616 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:30:52 PM
@Skythe if you ate a modern American you'd die of congestive heart failure from all the fat.

FeelTheRide
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 521 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:14:44 PM
Mmmmm....Soylent Green

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:31:56 PM
Just read a bit more about the Jamestown winter of 1609-10. Gleanings:

1. The English settled where they did because the site was well-suited for defense and uninhabited by Indians. In fact, the Indians had avoided the site because they judged it a miserable spot, incapable of being cultivated.

2. Many of the Jamestown settlers were English gentlemen (i.e., non-laborers) who had no experience in farming whatsoever.

3. Unable to grow their own food, the settlers fell into the habit of demanding food from the Indians. Not surprisingly, the Indians tired of this and relations deteriorated to a state of open hostility.

4. The gentlemen settlers not only couldn't farm; they couldn't construct dwellings either. In the early years, most of the settlers were living in holes in the ground.

5. By the spring of 1610, of the 500 settlers who had arrived, only 61 were alive.

Not exactly a promising start for an eventual superpower, was it?

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:05:10 PM
@ Carmium: What I got out of that comment of his was that there were cuts on the interior of the base of the skull that indicated someone was working to sever the base of the tongue (which would require, first, getting past the pharynx). Tongue was (and remains) a popular meat. Anyone planning to cannibalize in the 17th century would probably have the tongue in mind as one of the few spots on an emaciated corpse where there'd be a good bit of meat left. =O.O=

I think I'll stick to hazelnuts and acorns.


carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6406 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:56:40 PM
"...used to remove the pharnyx." And this guy's an expert?

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:45:28 PM
LOL @ comments of Gerry and Skythe. Skythe, that would have been EPIC: alas, I am not that clever.

@Sutra: This occurred at an isolated settlement of English in the New World. The settlers entered the very harsh winter of 1609 with almost no food stores and had pretty much destroyed their relationship with the local native Americans, who otherwise might have helped.

@Fehz: I was thinking the same thing myself. If history's any guide, the first group of settlers to Mars stand a better than 50-50 chance of resorting to cannibalism sometime in the first five years.

Fehz
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 582 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:32:23 PM
This is what will happen if all of those people actually make it to Mars.

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2482 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:25:31 PM
WHAT! No sense there. There was nothing growing in the ground at all!?
Was the entire population involved or just an isolated case of some mentally disturbed individual eating dead people.
Most people will up & move to where the food is befor they cannibalise.
This is not the whole story. I hope.

Skythe
Male, 18-29, Western US
 964 Posts
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:06:11 PM
Missed opportunity for a "America this is why your fat."

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