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Anonymous Makes An Interesting Point [Pic]

Hits: 12691 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:41:10 PM
From there civil suits can be made by citizens that can go directly to the supreme court for review.

I'm less afraid of the government blatantly ignoring the rules of law, and rather more concerned with what they consider child Pornography.
Can a naked baby on a bear skin rug be considered pornography? What about a 3 year old girl with no top on at a pool party or something.
Remember our best definition of what pornography is was famously given by Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964) when he said "I know it when I see it."

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:39:12 PM
@CrakrJak: Listen, I am in agreement that the government has wiggled out of some very important issues, Benghazi still blows my mind. And yes congressional hearings usually do little other than highlight the wrongdoing to the public and remove the guilty parties from any major positions, as in the Censure of Charles Rangel.
Be that as it may the executive nor the legislative branch are the oversight in this bill.

It's the Officer for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties of the Department of Homeland Security, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, and the senior privacy and civil liberties officer of each department or agency of the Federal Government that receives cyber threat information shared with the Federal Government.

And they must annually and jointly submit to Congress a report assessing the privacy and civil liberties impact of the activities conducted by the Federal Government.

smaus
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 679 Posts
Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:29:42 AM
didn't it pass in the house last year to get squashed by the senate...

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1014 Posts
Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:49:54 AM
So CISPA passed? Good, i'll start checking popular US sites and copying the features that are inevitably going to disappear.. like anonymity.. funny how history twist and turns, .RU and it's surrounding neighbours are going to be the havens of free speech. Me likey, USA based Internet has to go, no one country should have this much power over global network.

darkhawk
Male, 70 & Over, Europe
 258 Posts
Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:03:51 AM
And this is why i limite all my info about myself online. Amerika, drating you over for your "safety".
Only MY goverment can have MY info.

eduardoleon
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 501 Posts
Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:30:29 AM
now companies such as facebook would ba able to give out private info to the government without the user permission

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:59:23 PM
"see what I did there?"

Yeah, proved to the world that you're a mindless ass.

Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:03:42 PM
Of course Anonymous is upset, they are like untethered spoiled kids, that are about to be put in check.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13574 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:51:55 PM
@Fwoogie2 Here ya go.

Fwoggie2
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1754 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:35:24 PM
CISPA?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16909 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:21:47 PM
richanddead: Because the government, especially the executive branch, has been able to cover it's ass in the wake of even more serious charges (Fast & Furious, Obstructing Congressional investigations, Ignoring FOIA requests, Illegally assisting Tony Rezko, Rod Blagojevich, Raila Odinga and others).

I seriously doubt any enforcement by congressional hearing would be fruitful. Enforcement through the courts could be held up indefinitely and getting the executive branch to cough up the evidence of their own wrongdoing would be damn near impossible.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3458 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:50:38 PM

Surely I don't need to understand exactly what is going on before telling others what's happening and how they should feel. Silly woman.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3332 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:38:56 PM
"hundreds of men and women got raped."

Hide yo wife
Hide yo kids
and hide yo husband
cuz' they rapin erebody out here!

Corydoras87
Male, 18-29, Europe
 638 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:28:53 PM
while anonymous is trying to distract the sheepish public with CISPA, thousands of children starved and hundreds of men and women got raped.

Clearly Anonymous is working for some organization or has planned this whole cispa thing to keep people's minds from finding solutions to the world problems..

see what I did there?

Mikeoxsbiggg
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1150 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:32:31 PM
International copyright law can blow me.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:26:42 PM
@CrakrJak:True, i agree, but the $1,000 is the minimum amount allowable fine to the government as a whole. Where as the $5,000 fines you are mentioning are maximums to individual employees. In the part it says "whichever is greater" the court can set any amount over $1000 and that it what allowable.

I'm not defending it, I'm just saying that, the gov. is not willful and untouchable as @tedgp was suggesting. If the gov. doesn't follow the law they open themselves up to lawsuits, greedy lawers, and most likely a congressional hearing.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:14:28 PM
@lauriloo: Notice it says "may not USE" not "may not OBTAIN"

Actually they are not allowed to even search for it, since the word "use" in this bill is to be applied to not simply the prosecution, but also the investigation of cybersecurity crimes. It clarifies that above when it states.

(2) AFFIRMATIVE SEARCH RESTRICTION- The Federal Government may not affirmatively search cyber threat information shared with the Federal Government under subsection (b) for a purpose other than a purpose referred to in paragraph (1).

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16909 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:07:37 PM
richanddead: $1,000 is a tiny sum to pay to violate a persons 4th amendment rights. That's not even slap on the hand compared to the fine a private person would have to pay for violating another's privacy.

In the case of "criminal violations" of the Act (Section 3 of the Act, 5 U.S.C. Sec. 552a(i) limits these so-called penalties to misdemeanors), an officer or employee of an agency may be fined up to $5,000 for:
Knowingly and willfully disclosing individually identifiable information which is prohibited from such disclosure by the Act or by agency regulations; or Willfully maintaining a system of records without having published a notice in the Federal Register of the existence of that system of records. In addition, an individual may be fined up to $5,000 for knowingly and willfully requesting or gaining access to a record about an individual under false pretenses.

$10,000 total.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:47:34 PM
@tedgp: Exactly, because if they did it goes on to say...

"‘(1) IN GENERAL- If a department or agency of the Federal Government intentionally or willfully violates subsection (b)(3)(D) or subsection (c) with respect to the disclosure, use, or protection of voluntarily shared cyber threat information shared under this section, the United States shall be liable to a person adversely affected by such violation in an amount equal to the sum of--

‘(A) the actual damages sustained by the person as a result of the violation or $1,000, whichever is greater; and

‘(B) the costs of the action together with reasonable attorney fees as determined by the court."


lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:02:11 PM
That exemption clause also includes library circulation records. Wonder if that ruins the part in the movie "Seven" where they get the library records to see who's been reading books based on the 7 deadly sins to try to find out who the killer is...

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:54:47 PM
"Don't let stuff like facts influence your silly opinions, lauriloo."

Notice it says "may not USE" not "may not OBTAIN"

Is that the fact you are referring to but failed to understand?

Evil_Eye
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1448 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:47:38 PM
So a week ago they was fussing about how making sure gun buyers don't have mental health issues was violating their rights... but this week monitoring your internet to make sure you don't say nasty comments about people is no problem?

I simplified it a bit but it seems your constitutional rights is whatever you make of it.

Solvent
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2855 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:30:11 PM
DUN DUN DUN

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3458 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:28:22 PM

Don't let stuff like facts influence your silly opinions, lauriloo.

bataleon27
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1179 Posts
Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:27:51 PM
probably strategically placed to coincide with 420 too...

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