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Infographic: Gun Facts You Need To Know!

Hits: 7244 | Rating: (1.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24154 Posts
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 7:05:29 AM
@lauriloo: And how would "more laws" prevent any of those things? Or other already illegal methods?
Canada TRIED to register JUST "long rifles" (pistols already ARE registered since 1936) and it was a multi-billion dollar FAIL.

You want the USA to throw a TRILLION DOLLARS down the toilet to "feel good"? Use your own money...

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 9:33:49 PM
"So further legislation is unnecessary as criminals and mentally ill people are legally not allowed guns already."

Unless they get the gun from a gun show, Craigslist, a friend or relative, a shady gun store owner (since the NRA made sure the store owners don't have to keep accurate inventory), online, etc.

12chars
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 237 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 5:58:39 PM
5Cats, hi. I am a very real person. Just letting you know.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 834 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 5:45:00 PM
@holygod
you talk of bias and then use the statistic of vending machines and sharks.

If you want, I'll try to do the calculation of people who are killed by vending machines who have access to vending machines, and people who are killed by sharks who have access to sharks (when I say try, I have no doubt of my ability to do it and explain it, just the availability of the data).

I think you'll agree that it is a pointless calculation.

Given the proliferation of guns in the US, everyone has access to both long guns and pistols, apart from criminals and mentally ill people who are legally disbarred from having them.

So further legislation is unnecessary as criminals and mentally ill people are legally not allowed guns already.

Also, you might be able to help me here, why is it OK to say "criminals" and not "people with a temporary criminally different ability" when it is dehumanizing to say "the mentally ill"?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24154 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 3:28:30 PM
Lets pass a law banning "Oxygen Di-Hydride" it kills children!!!

Dihydrogen Monoxide! It's everywhere!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 11:56:44 AM
When laws are made by kneejerk reactions, emotions and a dislike of inatimte object YOU WILL F**K US ALL!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 11:52:34 AM
The thing that scares people is indiscriminate mass murder and that is almost always a rifle. So of course people go after what scares them.


You have a betyer chance of being hit by lightning then being in a mass shooting. Perhaps you should legislate for lightning control it's pertty scary stuff!

Tekinette
Male, 18-29, Europe
 266 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 10:35:41 AM
So guns in the US kill less than in some of the most dangerous 3rd world countries.. And rifles are involved in fewer homicides than knives...

I'm glad someone took the time to make that infographic about those great facts "we may not have heard on NBC, CNN or ABC news" I'm just not sure if it's serious or a joke about pro guns republicans.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24154 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 7:14:25 AM
Everybody knows you never go full retard, I mean full troll.

@markust: You gotta dangle some tasty bait to catch the big fish!

@jops360: You said "built for" and from 1870 > 1950 the vast majority of "military weapons" around the world were bolt action rifles. Yes all sorts of other weapons were used too, but the average GI had a bolt action.

In the Mumbai attack a couple of years ago? The Indian Police were using bolt action rifles built in 1910... they actually work just fine!
It's true that now MOST armies use an M-16, SKS or AK-47 (or the equivalent thereof) but my point is that any and all guns, knives, swords & etc can and still are used in "the military".

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1510 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 7:04:43 AM
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

-C.S. Lewis-


RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2421 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 5:10:09 AM
Wow. These "facts" are extremely skewed.

For instance:
"In life and death situations civilians use guns to defend themselves more than 77% of the time"

WHAT?!?!?!
There are so damn many life and death situations that a gun could never help you out from. When is the last time you heard someone say "I was in this brutal car wreck the other day. Luckily I had my gun handy and was able to defend myself from that dashboard that was about to split my head!"?

kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
 336 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 4:58:50 AM
"So simple, even a Democrat can understand it!"

Finally, the straight forward, factual, non-confrontational debate this issue needs

jops360
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 446 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 2:14:58 AM
5kats - not many army guns are bolt action. they do not need the same type of accuracy and in most cases time is of the essence.
of course its illegal. but does that doesn't stop people from doing it.
and what was the word i used before that, oh yeah, POSSIBLE. i am not claiming they are used all the time

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4331 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:32:00 PM
Having looked at those factual world statistics, I am so glad to live in the UK, as no-one has any guns.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:44:16 PM
"So simple, even a Democrat can understand it!"

Everybody knows you never go full retard, I mean full troll.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3589 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:14:19 PM
Also, I'd rather get hit by a .223 (5.56x45mm) coming out a rifle than a 9mm or .45 ACP at close range. At close range, depending on where it hits you, the .223 is moving so fast it will most likely go right through you before it has a chance to fragment, leaving a relatively clean wound. The 9mm & .45 ACP will put you on your A$$ and leave a big-a$$ hole at close range, that's what they're made to do.



whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3589 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 8:56:15 PM
@HolyGod - Well yeah, statistics aren't a perfect representation of anything and they never will be but it's better than just saying, "F*ck it, lets get rid of these guns because I don't like how they look and some a$$hole just used one the other day to kill a bunch of people" which is EXACTLY what's going on right now.

The way I see it your average semi-auto handgun is more of a threat to the average person than a semi-auto rifle. For one, it's pretty goddamn easy to stick a 9mm in you waistband and sneak up on people than it is with a rifle. At least with a rifle you can see them coming and get the f*ck out of the way before they start shooting.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24154 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 7:37:20 PM
What about commercial airline pilots and flight attendants?

@WhoDat: It's JUST for the "average of the population".
In fact, pilots and crew are MUCH safer on their planes than in their cars! But the average person? There's always some poor soul who gets killed on their very first flight... (It really skews the averages).

@jops360: I'd still oppose it, but at least then the "gun grabbers" would be HONEST about it! They (BHO) claim they want "an open debate" but they lie about their goals and they lie about everything else too!
"guns made for war" = bolt action rifles. ALL guns can be used in war, every one of them.
"easy to turn into automatics" = illegal. It already is, NO new laws needed. It SHOULD BE illegal, NO ONE is saying otherwise.
"horrible outcome" = the VAST majority of ALL killings in the USA is NOT DONE using automatic weapons. It's a fact.

jops360
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 446 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 7:07:06 PM
so 5kats do you think handguns should be included? would your argument change? i get the current stance; they see guns that were made for wartime use being sold to civilians, they see just how easy it is to turn them into their fully automatic counterparts, and they can see the possible horrible outcome it has. i understand that it "takes away your rights as Americans" to own whatever you want but when does it become a problem for others? the classic case i remember hearing from our law professor was this; "one house plays music so loud that the neighbors get irritated by it, so they call the cops. who wins? the house that plays the music because they have the freedom to play the music or the other house because it is going against their freedom to not have to hear it?" sorry its been a while since ive heard it, but thats the gist of it. there has to be some wiggle room because no matter what you do, someones freedoms will be taken in order protect others.

synaw
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 58 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 7:05:44 PM
1.) we are 11th in gun homicide rates in the world, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (a deep hole has been dug already, how can i take the rest of this seriously?).
2.) a democrat can understand these, but what a republican can't understand is that blunt objects, fists and knives all have secondary uses. a gun does not.

fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1845 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:54:43 PM
Talk all you want about blunt objects and knives, .. it's the same with deaths related to cars versus airplanes. While the quantity is so much greater for cars, airplane deaths are so magnificently horrific, it spawns a phobia of flying, compared to the very, very few who are too scared to get into a car.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:03:05 PM
Whodat6484

Statistics are difficult because generally they just take the number of people and divide it by the number of instances. They don't take into account that every person can do things to affect their own statistics.

So statistics may say that:
I have a 1 in 167,000,000 chance of winning the lottery
1 have a 1 in 250,000,000 chance of getting killed by a shark
1 have a 1 in 90,000,000 chance of dying in a plane crash

However if I never buy a lottery ticket, never go in the ocean, and never get on a plane my odds of all 3 are zero.

General statistics say what the odds are that any person will get killed by a hand gun. However my odds of getting killed by a handgun are WAY less than the general statistic and a gang bangers odds are WAY higher.

PTPete
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1244 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 5:54:38 PM
Sorry, my point was that those things are not mutually exclusive & it is lazy to generalize so much.

PTPete
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1244 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 5:53:50 PM
I'm a Democrat--I have guns & am a card carrying member of the ACLU. Not the NRA, though, those people are crazy. lol.

DFWBrysco
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 307 Posts
Sunday, April 07, 2013 5:44:47 PM
I am not going to debate facts or statistics like these because most likely, they are correct.

However, caution is needed when throwing statistics like "1.5x, 2.5x, 5.5x" etc. around because everything is contextual - of course those other forms of homicide are more prevalent; there are simply more fists, blunt objects, knives, etc. available than guns.

The "facts" of this document don't nearly appear so impressive and benign when the variables are normalized and you use medians for each - suddenly guns, rifles, etc. are going to look a lot more dangerous than this "infographic" promotes.

Just another wonderful example of how to use numbers to spin a cause....

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