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Wake UP America....

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Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 426 Posts
Monday, April 08, 2013 1:57:32 PM
i stopped when he said "ideal distribution" shut up. If you don't like capitalism then move. The world hates americans because even our most poor indigent (relative to the rest of the population) people live better than a majority of the rest of the planet. Not my fault. You can always just move here; legally or otherwise; now the natural borns have to respect them "illegals".... fml a world based on economic equality means no choices; don't you understand!?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14422 Posts
Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:26:14 AM
But how about a wealthy class that is only rich enough to live very, very comfortably but not rich enough to sock away millions and millions (in some cases billions) of extra money they will never finish spending and won't do charitable acts with?

What the hell do you think these people do with their money, fill up a room with $100 bills and wallow in it naked? They INVEST it in stocks, bonds, banks, venture capital, etc., thus making it available to entrepreneurs to build companies that produce valuable and desired products and services, and thus create jobs.

When capital is controlled by the private sector, we get Apple, Amazon, and Ford. When capital is controlled by socialist central planners, we get Solyndra, Fannie Mae, and Trabant.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4651 Posts
Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:36:32 AM
lt633c-"NO ONE's time is worth 25, 50 or 115 MILLION dollars a year."

Your opinion on the matter is neither required nor relevent.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4651 Posts
Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:12:56 AM
t633c-"How could a cereal stacker "significantly" affect the store's success, so that he gets paid more ?"

Demonstrate that theres a better way to stack the cereal, or that he'd be a better asset to the company in another job. You know, impress the management.

The reason cereal stacking pays so little is pretty much a trained monkey can do it. Demonstrate that you're worth more than a trained monkey.

t633c-"Most workers at Wally World can't support a family, as most are part time employees earning just over minumum wage."

That's because they have no job skill worth a salary it takes to support a family. They're working jobs designed for high-school juniors because they have no marketable skills. If they did, they wouldn't be stocking cereal.

It's not the Walton's fault they decided to raise a family with the inability to support them.

Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1119 Posts
Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:33:53 AM
I don't get this talk from these lazy people demanding a revolution against the wealthy. Most wealthy people have worked very hard for their wealth or at least someone before them. Everyone has the same opportunities but no one takes it, they just want hand outs for the small amount of work they do.

It's America for a reason, everyone has an opportunity. In another country with a caste system people accept their place and never grow out of it and they don't complain that their are people more wealthy than themselves. But you're right in the country of opportunity you should whine and complain that you're not being treated fairly rather than go out and actually DO something.

lt633c
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 143 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 10:50:25 PM
"As for workers, if their work contributes signficantly to the stores success, they get paid more. "
How could a cereal stacker "significantly" affect the store's success, so that he gets paid more ?
How much more ? $.50 an hour? cuz we all know raises go up in increments of pennies, not dollars. How long before they get that raise if they work hard ? 6 months, a year ? How long till the next one ? Will they then get full time and be able to support their family ?
I'm not a kid, I've been around a while. Most workers at Wally World can't support a family, as most are part time employees earning just over minumum wage. But the Walton's live pretty good, selling products from China all these years. And that's been my point, and is the point of the video that started all this. Top 2% are running away with the prize, and the middle class is no longer in the middle.
To answer your rhetorical question, if they don't show up enough times, they get

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4651 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 8:23:39 PM
lt633c-"There is efficiency, attitude, attendance and an array of other qualities that make up a quality workforce. "

Let me let you in on a little known secret: If a worker is efficient, has a great attitude, has good attendance and 'an array of other qualities', they are NOT making minimum wage. They will get promoted, advanced and given raises..as the are an asset to the company.

If, on the other hand, you've been on a job for a while, and are still making minimum wage, chances are that you are not efficient, have a crappy attitude, lousy attendance and do not have an array of other qualities.

lt633c-"I am a middle manager, and I've never been so delusional to think that the job gets done because of ME. It's them."

The job gets done because of everyone on the team. But, as a middle manager, who do you appreciate more? A quality, efficient worker with a good attitude? Or one who does not care and you're lucky if he show's

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4651 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 8:18:58 PM
lt633c-"Managers make sure there are shelves for the cereal."

Learn to read.
Owners/investors make sure there are shelves for the cereal, and cereal for the shelves.

Managers make sure the cereal is there in time to be placed on the shelves, and to make sure the store is staffed, the customers are happy and everything goes off without a hitch. They make sure the workers are properly trained (liability issues), make sure the store is as safe for all involved. They handle irate customers, belligerent workers and make sure the workers get paid.

Managers are also WORKERS, btw.

As for workers, if their work contributes signficantly to the stores success, they get paid more.


lt633c
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 143 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 7:38:50 PM
"Without ownders and investors, Walmart would not exist"
Without workers and customers, Wally World, or any other cmpany wouldn't exist.
And from what i've seen at Wally World, their managers could be replaced in a couple minutes too. Dumb as a bag of hammers.
About replacing stockers, or anyone else for that matter, there are more attributes than merelyplacing an item on the shelf. There is efficiency, attitude, attendance and an array of other qualities that make up a quality workforce. If you can replace them so easily, maybe you could attract better quality employees if you paid them a little more, let them work full time, and provide some benefits. Sounds reasonable to me.
I am a middle manager, and I've never been so delusional to think that the job gets done because of ME. It's them. I'm there to support their efforts, provide guidance, eliminate obsticles, and empower them to solve problems.

lt633c
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 143 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 7:27:08 PM
"Because some jobs do not contribute enough to the company's profit to warrent that cost of labor. They're forced to pay minimum wage...if your job only contributes a little over that, it's not worth it to pay for healthcare (you DO realize that healthcare is not a 'bonus', but part of your salary...right?)

Yes, I know what compensation is. Many companies, not JUST Wally World, have eliminated full time positions replacing them with part time workers, taking away healthcare from those that would likely have it if they were full time.
This thread was about the top 2% compaired to middle class wages, not about store managers and floor moppers. However, it is arrogant for any middle manager to think that they are what makes any business run. Managers make sure there are shelves for the cereal. Ok, but the employees put together the shelves, get the cereal from the truck, (driven by a worker ) stock, price and ring up the cereal, while management stands around.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4651 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 12:35:13 PM
t633c-"Remember the boycots and demostrations by the employees last year ?"

Oh, you mean those ATTEMPTED boycots and demonstrations that failed miserably, put on by so-called 'workers rights' groups that had no affiliation with Walmart employees, who tried to get employes to demonstrate, and failed and who tried to get customers to boycot, and failed? Yeah, I remember it.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4651 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 12:34:42 PM
t633c-"things" get accomplished by workers, not managers."

Cereal gets put on shelves by workers. The floors get mopped.

Managers make sure that truckloads of cereal are there to put on shelves. And also insure that the workers places it on the shelves. (you'd be amazed how difficult that is). And to insure the worker has a safe workplace.

The owners and investors make sure there are shelves for the cereal to rest on and for the worker to place them upon.

Without the stock boys...Walmart would have to go through the trouble of hiring new ones...might take all of two hours to find qualified workers..

Without the managers, Walmart would go the way of Kaufmann's (remember those?).

Without ownders and investors, Walmart would not exist...which means all those jobs go bye-bye.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4651 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 12:34:14 PM
t633c-"Why not all?"

Because some jobs do not contribute enough to the company's profit to warrent that cost of labor. They're forced to pay minimum wage...if your job only contributes a little over that, it's not worth it to pay for healthcare (you DO realize that healthcare is not a 'bonus', but part of your salary...right?)

lt633c
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 143 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 10:53:25 AM
"Almost half of Walmart workforce has company provided health insurance. "

Why is it "almost half"? Why not all?

"Upper management gets paid for accomplishing things"

"things" get accomplished by workers, not managers.

"while an overnight stocker can make up to $15 an hour..quite a bit more than minimum."

Yes, SOME CAN, but most don't. Remember the boycots and demostrations by the employees last year ?

"There are many part-time jobs, not just at Walmart."

Yup, there are. I have one. But when the largest company in the US primarily employs people on a part-time basis to save money, it's not taking care of the people that DO THE WORK, to make them billionaires. Again, remember the employee demostrations last year ?

I can accept company owners making profits, but Walmart is a prime example of the rich getting richer, and the poor declining, not even k

lt633c
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 143 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 10:36:56 AM
jops360 - Exactly how it's happened. Well said. The fact legislation was just signed in to law to prevent "insider trading" by our Congress is proof of the bullsh*t they've been pulling for decades.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4651 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 10:35:40 AM
lt633c-"yet their employees are low paid"

Walmart pay varies. The pharmacist make up to $155K a year, while an overnight stocker can make up to $15 an hour..quite a bit more than minimum.

But, at ANY employer, if you're doing menial work you're going to make menial pay.

lt633c-"mostly part time"

There are many part-time jobs, not just at Walmart.

lt633c-"with no healthcare benefits"

Almost half of Walmart workforce has company provided health insurance. Amazingly enough, the number of Walmart employees who use public-assistance health-care is almost exactly that as other retailers employees, and in similar numbers as the population as a whole.

lt633c-""Teir compensation have no kept pace with Walmarts' upper management."

Upper management gets paid for accomplishing things. A floor sweeper pretty much sweeps floors. Someone who does MORE than sweeps floors soon is in

jops360
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 582 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 10:14:23 AM
honky lips- good luck with that. account for inflation you will need to triple what you are putting away. not to mention, dont get sick. medical bills will strip you of every penny you have.

jops360
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 582 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 10:06:25 AM
keggar- you obviously have never been poor. and these kings and queens didnt have running water, electricity, proper sanitation, or medicine. believe it or not there are people TODAY that live in the US with the conditions. im not going to say they stole the money, they just tricked the stupid, enacted laws into their favor, and bought power. communism/socialism fail due to greed. there is always a person in power and they take advantage of that power. that is the problem and that was why the US was different. although now its becoming more and more communism. money buys power, power allows those to control the masses and controlling us is how the rich stay rich and tell us that its bad to to notice the obvious class warfare that they started. the only freedom we have is what they allow. if it doesnt make them money they dont want it and we dont get it.btw, the flames are not going away by denying the truth. remember this, you are only an accident away from becoming poor yourself.

lt633c
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 143 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 9:26:54 AM
Ok, lets look at actors.....yes, there is skill involved, but it's certainly not "hard work", or "dangerous". In my career, I've seen better acting from criminals and crack whores than I've seen in some movies. Yet, they're compensated with 10's of millions of dollars, and head home, in the limo, to their 12 million dollar homes, just in time to change into their $5000 suit, hop in the Bentley, and head out to the 5 star restaurant. Why? Because YOU pay for it, and what you do to earn the money is real. Real fire fighters, cops, nurses, construction workers, lawyers ( nevermind, f*** lawyers )store clerks, not in the safety of a movie set or CGI screen. No, actors are not in the top 2%, but they are way over compensated to "play" someone else for a few months a year.

lt633c
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 143 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 9:05:20 AM
Bakcagain21 - The Walton family is a perfect example of what this video is taking about. ALL of the Waltons at BILLIONAIRES, yet their employees are low paid, mostly part time, with no healthcare benefits. Teir compensation have no kept pace with Walmarts' upper management. Yes, I did mention that NO ONE's time is worth millions, but they do own the company. The real problem, the point bought by the video, is the fact that the rest of the emloyees, who do the real work make sh*t. That's the problem. As for caps on compensation, i'm not sure that is gonna happen. It's just wrong that the top 2% just keep getting richer, and we all pay for it with higher prices, more expensive tickets to sports and music venues, etc. "The fat man's busy dancin' while the thin man pays the band".

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 590 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 7:11:08 AM
Is this not the 80:20 rule in action.

Keggar
Male, 50-59, Western US
 54 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 5:26:15 AM
Our "poor" live lives so rich that even kings and queens of yesteryear could not imagine. Can we acknowledge this and be grateful? Gratitude is the medicine that will heal our nation rather than some class dividing president who keeps picking at imaginary self imposed wounds. One person being super wealthy does not mean that some how he stole it from a another. Wealth is not limited it is created and expanded by anyone willing to pursue it. Communism/natzism/socialism fail miserably every time they are tried. Government attempts at wealth redistribution are nothing more than fraudulent theft to buy power. It is an assault on freedom. Lastly. This film is a boat load of gutter tripe and the erroneous attitudes it projects and fans the flames of will lead to the destruction of our the greatest nation on earth.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17172 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 4:49:23 AM
FoolsPrussia: We are all living better now than in the 50s and 60s. Better housing, cars, healthcare, more food and disposable income.

Where we are lacking, compared to then, is in morality, education and employment.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 4:12:45 AM
The future of that nation is already well known...

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Friday, March 29, 2013 2:02:18 AM
@lt633c "And CEO's aren't the only problem. NO ONE's time is worth 25, 50 or 115 MILLION dollars a year. NO ONE's abilities are THAT good that they deserve rediculous compensation. Actors? No. Athletes? No. Musicians ? No. Sorry, nobody is worth that kind of money. I don't care what they do."


If that's what you think, but when people are free to spend their money on what they want. And spend it in Walmart amounting to a couple of cents profit for every American who purchases something in that store. How do you stop them being paid that without setting saving's cap's or wage caps and dictating what everyone is allowed to own or make according to the state.

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