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Gun Homicide Rate By Country [Pic]

Hits: 13398 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Gerry1of1
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 3:44:34 PM
@Canoas

Sorry if I'm not a psycopath.

It's not so much that you're psychopath. At best you're naive and at worst an idiot.

It's the exact same one you've cited.

The evidence I've presented suggests that, in most cases, a well-armed population correlates with a less violent and safer population. So, to be plain, first world countries with a higher percentage of armed citizens, on the average, enjoy lower homicide rates.

This evidence completely contradicts your statement that I requested a citation for:

"The fact that anyone can get a gun will drastically increase the homicide ratio"

Please cite some sort of statistically meaningful evidence to support this claim.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 3:36:49 PM
@Canoas

If someone is intended on killing you then a gun won't protect you

Ummm... You're kidding, hopefully. Seriously, just type something in the realm of "My Gun Saved My Life" into Google (or Bing I suppose) and I'm sure you'll find countless cases that completely disprove your stance.

But no, seriously, conjecture is like, so totally more persuasive than first-hand accounts and stuff - and like, common sense man. <--- This is what I think of you.

should you be able to shoot someone in order to protect your phone/tv/etc?

Well this is an interesting tangent - albeit completely unrelated to what we've been discussing.

Your phone/tv/etc is not more valuable than a human life

Well hell, might as well just hand over my house and car while I'm at it. After all, they're just "stuff" right; I shouldn't protect them.


Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 3:20:54 PM
@5cats
the sentence is perfectly coherent

@HumanAction
"Based on this, you are suggesting that you prefer a system where people are completely at the mercy of their biological constraints; they do not have the option of protecting themselves."
If someone is intended on killing you then a gun won't protect you, so this isn't about protecting yourself at all, it's about protecting your materialistic assets. So, the question you're really asking is, should you be able to shoot someone in order to protect your phone/tv/etc? No, you shouldn't. Your phone/tv/etc is not more valuable than a human life. Sorry if I'm not a psycopath.

"Where exactly is the evidence you are citing? I've shown you mine, now you show me yours."
It's the exact same one you've cited.

jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 173 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 12:48:57 PM
Half of everybody in Columbia dies from guns? 49.52% of every 100,000 people. Am I reading this wrong?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 12:06:02 PM
Whew, let's continue shall we?

The fact that anyone can get a gun will drastically increase the homicide ratio

Where exactly is the evidence you are citing? I've shown you mine, now you show me yours.

the more guns there are in a country where guns aren't available to the public the higher the homicide rate

Again, please cite your evidence here. I've shown you a statistical analysis of first-world countries that suggests the complete opposite.

Anyone who isn't retard can understand this

... and the word of the day is: retard.

but I can't say I'm surprised you don't.

Well shucks, I'm honored. Clearly your presentation of emotionally-charged, statistically-absent arguments demonstrates a superior intellect - especially compared to my lousy statistics. Oh wise one, I offer you my humblest sarcasm.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 12:00:03 PM
@Canoas

That's the most retarded thing I've heard all day

What a pitiful and uninteresting life you must lead...

Now, seeing as how you apparently prefer to argue based on hypothetical, statistically-bereft "facts", let's see where we can take your logic.

First, let us consider your "whoever doesn't have a gun is at a disadvantage" line. Naturally, some people are at a disadvantage - this is natural and there is no way to overcome it. For example, a 5'2", 110lb woman stands exactly a zero percent chance of fighting off a 6'4", 240lb male attacker with her bare hands. Based on this, you are suggesting that you prefer a system where people are completely at the mercy of their biological constraints; they do not have the option of protecting themselves. I believe you should now see the error of this logic; if not, please do not hesitate to ask for additional assistance.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 10:15:09 AM
...the more guns there are in a country where guns aren't available to the public the higher the homicide rate.

@Canoas: Don't be so "fast on the draw" with your accusations of "retard" eh? If English is not your first language I can forgive you for this abomination of a sentence...

#1 Most of the high death countries severly restrict guns already.
#2 Per Capita: USA is highest, but NOT the rate of gun deaths. Countries with MUCH LOWER rates have MUCH HIGHER gun deaths. Facts! Become aquainted with them.
#3 In areas in the USA with HIGH gun ownership rates? LOWEST gun violence. Again, it's a fact.

You can repeat "gun-grabber fiction" all you like, but the facts remain unchanged.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 6:45:11 AM
@HumanAction
Are you serious? That's the most retarded thing I've heard all day, and I just posted on a topic about global warming filled with conspiracy theories.

The reason why guns per capita correlates with lower homicides rates is because anyone can get a gun. You see, if anyone can get a gun then whoever doesn't have a gun is at a disadvantage, so getting a gun will increase your security. However, this is only IF ANYONE CAN GET A GUN IN THE FIRST PLACE. The fact that anyone can get a gun will drastically increase the homicide ratio, and then the more people have guns the better chances of defence you have. BUT IN A COUNTRY WHERE YOU CAN'T GET A GUN that is no longer true, having a gun only means you can kill someone and they won't be able to protect themselves, the more guns there are in a country where guns aren't available to the public the higher the homicide rate.

Anyone who isn't retard can understand this.. but I can't say I'm surprised you don't.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:42:45 AM

"In germany we don't need a permission from the government to use our balls. And without arms i couldn't work anymore - they will never take my arms. "

WTH!!!!
Germans are still carrying guns? Ya know, that hasn't worked out too well in the past. Why are you guys worked up over the USA when the krouts are still armed!

naravin
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 336 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:36:07 AM
Hahahaha.. Latinos like to shoot each other. Beans, beans the magical fruit. The more you eat the more you shoot.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 7:52:43 AM
@Musuko

Lower GUN homicide rate. Not overall homicide rate.

I am using the homicide rate per country data from Wikipedia. I am not using firearm homicide rates in my data. My statements are accurate that, in general, gun per capita rates inversely correlate with total homicide rates in first world nations.

Trying to isolate and compare firearm homicides only would be a rather pointless endeavor; the rate would obviously be higher in a country with a greater gun prevalence. Similarly, we would expect to see vehicular homicide rates higher in countries with more vehicles per capita.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 7:27:08 AM
@HumanAction

"Yes, quite literally, in first world countries, more guns per capita correlates with lower homicide rates"

Lower GUN homicide rate. Not overall homicide rate.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:07:59 AM
@Canoas

So let's, for your sake, consider the 24 first world countries. For the moment, we'll forget about homicide/firearm ratios and just talk about guns per capita and homicides per capita.

Remove the US, and we have a negative trend: -0.022x with an R^2 of 0.1303. What happens if we add the US? We get a positive trend, 0.0205x and an R^2 of 0.1397.

Now, these are very weak R^2 values, but clearly we see that the US is an outlier. After all, weighted against 23 other countries, the inclusion of the US into the dataset not only negates the trend, but completely reverses it!

What then has been the point? Well, the entire point in today's exercise has been to demonstrate that the US cannot be directly compared to other countries because the US does not fit into the same trends and patterns. Because of this, comparing the US to another country would be disingenuous.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:51:23 AM
@Canoas

Yeah, maybe it's because WE DON'T HAVE FIREARMS

Kind of looks like you didn't read the rest of it. When we assume the US is an outlier and exclude it from the dataset, an obvious and solid inverse trend exists between guns per capita and homicide rates.

Yes, quite literally, in first world countries, more guns per capita correlates with lower homicide rates. Based on your reaction, I imagine you didn't already know this.

Rizzo71
Male, 40-49, Europe
 369 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:08:24 AM
I think no one uf us needs a gun.

RarLoco
Male, 18-29, Canada
 53 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:53:28 PM
proud my country ranks the third best out of all of those wimps.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:23:19 PM
"For instance, using the homicides/firearm ratio, the US has a better (lower or lesser) ratio than: Japan, South Korea, Netherlands, United Kingdom, Israel, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Denmark, Turkey, Australia, Luxembourg, Belgium, and Greece."

WTF? Yeah, maybe it's because WE DON'T HAVE FIREARMS. In a country with 0 firearms and 1 homicide then homicide/firearm ratio is infinite. OMG it's infinite what a pooty country!!11!eleven!

soundman655
Male, 50-59, Canada
 1496 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:04:49 PM
you get half down before you get to rational people who hate soccer!!

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3678 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:09:47 PM

rizzo - It was a play on words. This is a post about gun control. The word "arms" has 2 meanings. Wasn't being completely literal.

Profworm
Male, 30-39, Western US
 309 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:57:48 PM
I still say gun owners should be held to a higher standard, and be proud of it. They should be willing to learn a gun's history, proper maintenance and cleaning, and absolutely be able to pass a proficiency test. Because, as it stands, the lack of distinction between a responsible gun owner and the one's who aren't is what's causing a lot of the backlash.

I worked for years at a convenience store, right on the edge of urban and rural. I've had guns pulled on me with intent to rob. I about had a heart attack when two guys walked in with loaded AR-15s, who then bought snacks and left. One time a guy pulled out a giant handgun with 'Raging Bull' printed across the side and pointed right at me. All he wanted was to show me his new toy. I threw up after he left.

It is really hard for me to tell which gun owners are the ones I'm supposed to be defending the rights of. Separate the two, and it'll be harder to blame the responsible gun owners for what the crazies do.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:55:26 PM
@Rizzo

Thanks HumanAction ;)

Ha - well at least you took it in good fun, which is more than I can say for most. But seriously, you had to know that type of response was coming =P

Rizzo71
Male, 40-49, Europe
 369 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:42:11 PM
Another thing you don't want to be waving around in public.

Absolutely!

...too lower of a caliber to scare anything off anyway...

Can't complain.

But the balls require a permit from the govt. Besides, what good is yer dick when the govt. has taken your arms.

In germany we don't need a permission from the government to use our balls. And without arms i couldn't work anymore - they will never take my arms. They aren't that stupid.

Thanks HumanAction ;)

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3678 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:41:14 PM

Thank you @humanaction!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:09:39 PM
@lifester

but when it's so clear that the US positions itself closer to poor countries than developed countries that is saying something

The issue, of course, is that this is only clear given the narrow stats you are relying on. Just as you imply that my statistics are being used to "paint a picture", I suggest that yours are too.

For instance, using the homicides/firearm ratio, the US has a better (lower or lesser) ratio than: Japan, South Korea, Netherlands, United Kingdom, Israel, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Denmark, Turkey, Australia, Luxembourg, Belgium, and Greece.

Canada's ratio is slightly better (~4%).

Interestingly, the best countries are: Iceland, Switzerland, Norway, Austria, Germany, Sweden, France, and New Zealand. The average gun/capita rate is 31.6/100 in this group.

The "bad" countries average gun/capita rate is 10.0/100.

More guns = safer gun use.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:04:50 PM

"True, stats can be used to paint any picture you want,"

That's true.
"9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape." - Jimmy Carr

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