 irunfast86
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 181 Posts
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Monday, March 04, 2013 11:54:48 AM
ahahahahaha drating idiots. of course its not free. you stupid idiots thought republicans were joking when they said it wont be free and its unconstitutional to force people to pay for something.
i dont even care to see who originally wrote this: Obama's plan merely attempted to cut out as much corporate f*ckery as they could manage
thats a joke and not a funny one. obama thought interjecting the government into healhcare would cut the waste? obama is a drating idiot then. the government is 16 trillion in debt. how could those idiots cut waste?
i was waiting for this day. the day these fricking idiots saying "obama president nah"! realized health wont be free and they will be penalized if they dont pay. |
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papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
217 Posts
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Monday, March 04, 2013 10:15:59 AM
Free? Subsidized? That means us tax payers are paying for your healthcare. Forced charity is not charity. And you'd have to be insane to think Obamacare is not going to cost double or more what they originally rammed down our throats. The costs and penalties will NEVER go down, just up. Honestly, if you want to see where lefty policies like this are going to take us just go read up on Detroit. |
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 MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1439 Posts
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Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:45:48 AM
Obama's plan merely attempted to cut out as much corporate f*ckery as they could manage
Since when has any government anywhere ever reduced f*ckery without making it worse?
As for my flamebaiting, yes it strikes a nerve when I see so many people complacent in the damage that is being done. I'm sorry if bringing the debate out into open makes you sick, but be of good cheer, you have Obamacare to cure all of your ills! |
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MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1439 Posts
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Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:40:21 AM
I know those people did not vote for health care that needs to be purchased, nor the penalties for not purchasing it. It's not even implemented like a tax as in Canada or the UK. The people that are going to be hit hardest by this are the low income individuals as well those people who are finding out that their employers are restricting their hours to avoid the cost of Obamacare. Not only will their hours be cut, but they also have to either have healthcare or face a fine.
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MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1439 Posts
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Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:24:55 AM
@DrProfessor
"MrPeabody, you would argue wrongly. Few people, if anyone, thought Obama would provide free healthcare."
Actually the people who have no real knowledge of the issues do think that way. They are just like the Obamaphone lady. They believe that Obama has all kinds of free money for them. I see them and talk to them quite often. Maybe they don't live where you are but they are out there and they voted for Obama based on what they think he is going to give them.
In Detroit and the suburbs there were near riots when somewhere between 15 to 30,000 people showed up for what they thought was $3000 in free money that Obama was handing out.
Here is one the news reports of the incident:
Thousands Mob Detroit Center, Hope for Free Cash(they say 15K people, but that was one day at one location) |
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 chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1473 Posts
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Sunday, March 03, 2013 1:38:09 AM
@DromEd: "make it more like anything else we as people consume on a regular basis"
That might sound like a reasonable suggestion but it's not really possible, healthcare can't conform to a true free market system. When you suddenly find yourself in need of emergency care you don't have the luxury of choosing the cheapest ambulance company, you can't compare competing emergency rooms to get the best value, you can't decide which tests and procedures are the most cost-effective. There is no real competition in healthcare so there's no market incentive to curb prices! How else could healthcare costs have been able to rise more than twice as fast as everything else for so many years now?
Add in all the extra expense and complications from a third-party corporate intermediary basing all their decisions on profit not health and it's no wonder that we are in need of a serious overhaul. Obamacare was just the first baby steps in (sorta) the right direction... |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8711 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:10:48 PM
"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free."
- P.J. O'Rourke |
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 DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
899 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:34:33 PM
Ok tiedyed, let us factor them in.
Too much insurance is a big part of the problem too. Because the cost of health care has been taken away for the consumer in so much that we don't really know what things do cost. You buy milk it comes right out of pocket. Same with bread. A xxxx test for xxxx ailment? Who the F knows? But who the F cares because insurance pays for it. (that is the real problem) The solution to the cost of medical care is to make it more like anything else we as people consume on a regular basis. That way we're more knowledgeable about our medical purchases. I don't have all the answers as to how this will be accomplished but I can say this. People need to budget a certain % of income for regular/preventive medical treatment. You need a regular general health check up so often along with basic dental checks and eye screenings. These need to come out of your own pocket, not insurance. Insurance is for catastrophic events, not every day normal expen |
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 slut_etta
Female, 50-59, Southern US
2130 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 6:09:49 PM
holy sh*t!!!! |
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 kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
319 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:43:44 PM
@jtrebowski, I would go for wilfully ignorant rather than idiot...at least I hope... |
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 tiedyed
Male, 40-49, Western US
132 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:42:19 PM
It's amazing that people still want to cry about govenrnment bureaucracy conveniently forget about the current system of INSURANCE (a private, for-profit industry) bureaucracy results in insanely expensive premiums and little oversight. They answer to their shareholders. So, if there's to be continued argument, let us factor that in. |
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 jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3057 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:28:08 PM
Crakrjak, show us where he promised it would be free. You can't because he never did. Looks like you're the idiot. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:29:52 PM
"Only idiots ever claimed it was supposed to be free."
So Obama's campaign team and the liberal media moguls are idiots. Thanks for that clarification.
Btw, this is something we Republicans tried to warn you fools about. This is what happens when a liar like Nancy Pelosi says, "We have to pass it, to know what's in it".
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DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
899 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:51:41 PM
It's amazing that people who think we can't afford to pay for doctors, hospitals and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication AND a government bureaucracy to administer it.
-Thomas Sowell- |
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kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
319 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:12:57 PM
"wasn't Obamacare supposed to be free?"
come on now...a decent troll makes it less obvious |
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jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3057 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06:53 PM
Mr. Peabody: "There are a lot of people who voted for Obama based on the promise of free healthcare."
Fox "News" also claimed that Romney was going to win. You still believe them? |
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jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3057 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:03:55 PM
No one said it was going to be free. Not even Obama. This post is the clearest, loudest, and glaringly brightest example of drooling, mouth-breathing dumb-phukery I have ever seen. Go back to watching Fox "News".
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 shiftyplus1
Male, 18-29, Southern US
312 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:26:40 PM
Great info. If I lived in California. |
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 SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2734 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:21:30 PM
You actually believe that crap, don't you, onoffonoffon. I mean, the data is out there and so easy to get, yet you'll believe anything those multi-millionaires Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck shovel into your head, won't you? What a shame. |
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onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
1242 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:15:17 PM
As usual the free part is about the welfare class. We, the working class, shall continue to carry the load. |
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 ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
5504 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:05:26 PM
No healthcare is free,
Im a fair bit fuzzy on the US stuff
I'll leave that to the far more knowing US guys here
Im guessing it could go higher after I heard
off the BBC Obama reluctantly signing a deal slash another (I Think 89 billion) in budget cuts
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 DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
3522 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:22:07 PM
MrPeabody, you would argue wrongly. Few people, if anyone, thought Obama would provide free healthcare. The Republicans never would have allowed a socialized healthcare system--"Obama's plan" merely attempted to cut out as much corporate f*ckery as they could manage, given the partisan reality.
You, sir, are flamebaiting. You've been doing it in a lot of posts recently, and I'm sick of seeing it. |
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 FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2854 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:21:02 PM
"Which I would argue is the majority of Obama's voting base."
What do you call a person who makes a dubious claim without supporting it with any factual data? |
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FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2854 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:10:31 PM
"Wasn't Obamacare Supposed To Be Free?"
No... |
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MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1439 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:04:20 PM
No. Only idiots ever claimed it was supposed to be free.
Which I would argue is the majority of Obama's voting base. |
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