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Catholic Hospital Denies Personhood to Unborn

Hits: 7156 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: Misc. | Added by: rfrabidfish
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Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1971 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:50:29 PM
No wonder the Pope quit. Catholics are arseholes..Wait,that's not fair...everyone who believes in/hides behind religion is an idiot.Period.

ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2304 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:43:02 PM
yea wheres your "life begins at conception" argument now, for fu/ck's sake... and people ask me why i'm atheist

tatripp
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1201 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:22:27 AM
This man really has no case. It doesn't matter what the Church considers to be a person if the law doesn't see it that way. You cannot sue for three deaths when the law says that there is only one person. The church medical group isn't trying to f this guy over and it is not contradictory to the the Church's teachings.
There is another example of something similar. During George W Bush's office, the unborn victims of violent act was passed which considered fetuses as people if they were wrongfully killed (excluding abortions). Many Catholics had a problem with this because it is stupid to legally consider them human in certain instances then allow abortions in others.
In this video, it seems that the man was just trying to sue for three times more than what the law allowed. If there was wrongdoing such as neglect or malpractice, the man needs to get money from a lawsuit. He doesn't deserve to get money because the laws defining a human are different from the Church's teachings

soundman655
Male, 50-59, Canada
 1535 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:59:53 AM
F-en caths!! Just another CLUB that wants to run the world!

xoxnameless
Female, 18-29, Canada
 205 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:39:50 AM
I don't think it matters what anyone else thinks, if you already loved those babies then obviously they were people to you. As far as the hospital goes I think two things 1) that they should be held responsible for anything they did wrong, or for any neglect and 2) that a religion like catholicism has no place in health care, it's always going to be fraught with contradiction.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14769 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 8:19:44 PM
Are you kidding? It's the Catholic Church.
They can afford the best.
They have jewish lawyers!


LOL, Gerry! You're probably right.

"Vat, you VANT to pay for TWO wrongful deaths instead of just the VON? Vat are you, MESHUGA? Just sit back and let us handle this."

CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2994 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 4:06:58 PM
the main issue here is he sued for "wrongful death" of 3 people, they said only the wife was a "person", based on the fact that the hospital counter sued I assume he lost the case of "wrongful death" for the wife. now regardless of if you count the child bearing mother as 1 person or 3, he still lost the case for the host body. so he will NOT be winning a case for "wrongful death" on the 2 children, regardless if they are counted as "people" or not. sucks to be him, but you cant sue the hospital for not being able to save someone (or 3) just because you are upset you lost someone, thus the counter sue

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3726 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 2:31:56 PM
@darkmagic14n - The contradiction lies in the fact that the representatives of the Catholic Church are using the legal definition of "personhood" to f*ck the guy over. Just like everyone else who believes in religion, they choose to use certain aspects of their own religion and disregard others when it's convenient for them. That's why this is bullsh*t, and all religion is bullsh*t. If you believe all this nonsense is the "word of God" and that "God is infallible" then you should live your life according to that. It's either all, or none, no cherry-picking.

normalfreak2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1948 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 2:17:43 PM
@markust123

Watch that video with subtitles. Priceless

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4273 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 12:53:30 PM
man, they could have cut those babies out and they most probably would have been fine. f uck the pope, son of a bit ch mother f ucker that he is (or was since he fled prosicution and is hiding out in the vatican...)

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 12:40:56 PM
@whodat6484:
life =/= personhood
life =/= birth

they weren't born, thus they don't qualify to be a human. There is nothing that says that, had the mother survived, the twins would've been born just fine months later.

there is no contradiction, just people who want to SEE contradiction.

again, I'll use the butterfly analogy. a caterpillar creates a chrysalis, do you then call it a butterfly? no, its not until it emerges that you can say the caterpillar turned into a butterfly. if it died in the chrysalis, you would say the caterpillar died, not the butterfly died.

I'm not saying the hospital was in the right, but by law they are in the clear, there were 3 lives lost, but only 1 person died.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 11:55:37 AM

OldOllie,
"I guess Catholic lawyers are still lawyers."

Are you kidding? It's the Catholic Church.
They can afford the best.
They have jewish lawyers!

h4krChik
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 86 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 10:09:34 AM
And religion, yet again, screwing up more people's lives.

fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1963 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 7:33:15 AM
I have no sympathy for this guy. First, "the Catholic teachings" does not mean "the law." Hospitals don't have clerical teams in case they're sued, the have legal teams. Screw what they preach, brush up on your law. And when you lose, yes you have to pay for their legal team - it keeps frivolous lawsuits from being filed every second.
Second, if you're suing over wrongful death, best look at the makers of your refrigerator, stove and microwave before visiting the hospital to get your cholesterol checked again.

It sucks when people die, but you can hardly call it the hospital's fault when a severely overweight / obese chick pregnant with twins has an embolism.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 6:13:23 AM
Although I sympathize for the loss of his wife and twins, he really only got into financial trouble when he sued the hospital, and they never really said whether there was actually any wrongdoing on part of the hospital, but if they countersued and won, it would stand to reason that his claim was refuted in court. Thus, I feel no sympathy for his current financial position, and such is the outcome in a sue-happy country.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3774 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 12:54:13 AM

Andrew - I'm sure they do. I didn't comment on other countries.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:48:57 PM
turdburglar, other countries have Catholic hospitals.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3726 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:45:33 PM
@darkmagic14n - How can you NOT see the contradiction there?

According to the Catholic Church, LIFE begins at conception, the instant an egg is fertilized. That's why they're against abortion because you're ending a LIFE. The mother dies while pregnant with twins, they die along with the mother, therefore three LIVES have been lost, not one.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14769 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:18:43 PM
So, I guess Catholic lawyers are still lawyers.

busdrivertm
Male, 30-39, Western US
 191 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:31:06 PM
heck if I was the pope, i would resign. Wait that already happened...

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:32:35 PM
Well this just goes against everything I learned about the Catholic church.

thelonious
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3246 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:10:31 PM
I haven't seen a picture of her yet that didn't look like she was one breath away from a coronary.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:07:34 PM
clearly I meant to ask if you would call a caterpillar a butterfly...

Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2669 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:34:04 PM
You're kidding right? This is as contradictory as it gets.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:28:26 PM
So the kids weren't born yet and the church says that means they're not "people." Meanwhile, they also teach that "life begins at conception."


I'm not seeing the contradiction...you're saying that all life is automatically human (aka people) life? would you call a butterfly a caterpillar?

2 babies were stillborns, they didn't receive birth certificates because they weren't born. end of story, no contradictions.

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