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 Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:04:40 PM
"Guns don't kill people" "A gun is just like a crossbow" "Oh next you're going to ban rocks".
If any of you actually believed anything you were saying, you wouldn't have a gun, you'd have a rock.
Regulate guns like you regulate any of the other things on that list (Cars need to be registered, you need a license, you need to prove you can drive a car responsibly, it gets taken away from you if you misuse it (not just by killing people with it.))
That's a reasonable discussion everyone but Republicans are capable of having. |
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 WhoSaidWhat
Male, 30-39, Southern US
58 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:48:31 PM
"It's not the gun that kills, it's the speeding bullet ripping thru flesh that pretty much does the job..."
But again, lets see that bullet go "ripping thru flesh" without a person first sending it on its journey. As I already said, the gun is a tool, like any other. Its only dangerous if its used in such a way as to make it dangerous, like any other tool. Is a screwdriver dangerous when used as intended? Sure, but only minimally so. However, when you throw it at someone, or stab at someone with it, it can potentially be deadly. I've fired many different guns, many different times. Still haven't killed anyone, though. Yet. When it happens, it will be a matter of self-defense. |
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 Magickrat
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
334 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:58:25 PM
It's not the gun that kills, it's the speeding bullet ripping thru flesh that pretty much does the job... |
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Magickrat
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
334 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:57:14 PM
"A gun is designed to send a projectile at a target. Much like a bow & arrow, crossbow or slingshot. This is it's primary purpose.
A car is designed to move from "point A" to "point B"."
Thank you 5Cats! THAT was the point I was trying to make. You can't compare Apples to Oranges & expect a reasonable debate...
"Any other STUPID questions?"
Just one. Is it...you know...THAT time of the month? |
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WhoSaidWhat
Male, 30-39, Southern US
58 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:42:13 PM
"International comparisons show conclusively that fewer gun owners per capita produce not only fewer murders by firearm, but fewer murders per capita over all. In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 48 times fewer than in the US."
Sources? Keeping in mind that there are also sources that claim the exact opposite. You can spin almost any "study" to show the exact results that you want it to. As stated earlier, guns DO NOT kill people. Seriously, all joking aside, when is the last time you heard about a gun getting up, walking around, and shooting people? Seriously. A gun is a tool. I can kill someone with a gun. A hammer is a tool. I can kill someone with a hammer. Oh, my god!!! Lets ban hammers now, before its too late!!! Don't blame the tool, blame the person that used it in that way.
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16983 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:37:13 PM
@LePigeon: Wiki Says: You Are WRONG!
USA is easily #1 in gun ownership and FAR from #1 in "murder rate" by any weapon. Your theory = busted!
@Magickrat: A gun is designed to send a projectile at a target. Much like a bow & arrow, crossbow or slingshot. This is it's primary purpose.
A car is designed to move from "point A" to "point B".
Any other STUPID questions?
The GUN doesn't decide what the "target" is. A HUMAN does that! Food? Paper circle? Enemy? A HUMAN points it and a HUMAN pulls the trigger. |
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LePigeon
Male, 30-39, Canada
40 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:58:21 PM
International comparisons show conclusively that fewer gun owners per capita produce not only fewer murders by firearm, but fewer murders per capita over all. In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 48 times fewer than in the US. |
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Magickrat
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
334 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:17:23 PM
What is a gun designed for?
What is a gun's primary function?
What is a car designed for?
What is a car's primary function? |
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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2339 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:02:29 PM
Magickrat-"Okay, it's apparant you're missing the point."
The point (besides the one on your head) is that you are making assertions that are easily proven wrong.
But as you are 'enlighted', you are incapable of consideration that anything you say can possibly can be wrong.
If you're going to be inaccurate, at least attempt to entertaining. At the moment you are just managing to be tedious. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16983 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:35:01 AM
@Magickrat: You seem to be obsessed with the notion that guns "have NO other purpose" than to kill humans. It's just "a tool" and how it is used depends on... the human being using it!
Explosives, poisons, they can (and have been) used in mass-killings before. The reason you can't buy TNT (or Sarin) at WalMart is: because it's dangerous! Gun-grabbers equate guns and lethal items, that's faulty logic.
You can't defend yourself using TNT or Sarin, but you CAN defend yourself with a gun! If some one or some people put you or your family in peril? Unless you're a Kung-Fu master or something, you'll NEED something to drive the bad guys away. Guns are very useful in that regard! Most crooks flee at the sight of one, you don't HAVE TO shoot them for it to be effective.
People should have a RIGHT to self-protection. |
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Magickrat
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
334 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:40:47 AM
MeGrendel - Okay, it's apparant you're missing the point. Carry on with your blind ignorance... |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2339 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:36:38 AM
@Magickrat,
Yes, because NO mode of tranportation has EVER been used in a mass killing...
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:37:21 AM
Were Adam Lanza's guns legally his? So now how would more laws help? |
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Magickrat
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
334 Posts
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:18:29 AM
MeGrendel - I was proven wrong by you showing me a picture of some guy running over a bunch of bikers (none of which suffered anything more than a few scratched & bruises by the way)? Was that PRE-MEDITATED MURDER like Adam Lanza's killing spree? Was the car he was driving DESIGNED to kill as many people as it could in as little time possible? Can one DRIVE a gun to work or school?
But if that's what makes you feel better, my friend...
Don't ever let it be said that I don't cater to the over-zealous & under-educated... |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2339 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 8:14:46 PM
Magickrat-"Keep comparing ACCIDENTS to INCIDENTS"
Hey, it's you idiots who like to include accidents and suicides in the 'gun deaths' numbers.
Which is more dangerous in the hands of a drunk? A pistol or a Lincoln Navigator?
YOU inferred that cars could not be used as weapons.
YOU were proven wrong.
Magickrat-"I'm actually embarrassed FOR you"
Actually, you're embarrassing yourself. But like a good lib you blame someone else. (It's society's fault). |
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Magickrat
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
334 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 7:57:24 PM
MeGrendel - Keep comparing ACCIDENTS to INCIDENTS. It's the only last-ditch defense you have left.
You're ignorance deserves the utmost pity. I'm actually embarrassed FOR you... |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16983 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 4:18:43 PM
Some of these were designed to kill as many BAD GUYS AND CRIMINALS as effectively as possible.
fify @Palfas! I for one approve of defending the innocent... |
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 Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
839 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 4:17:40 PM
@5Cats Even bear spray is restricted lol.
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 Palfas
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
410 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 1:56:42 PM
Some of these were designed to kill as many people as effectively as possible.
Any argument made in support of this idea presented in this image is a complete logical fallacy.
End of discussion |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16983 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 11:37:48 AM
Nice Link @Cajun! Fighting oppressive governments has been going of for centuries. Sometimes the civilians win, other times it's the Gov'ts.
@patchy: All guns in Canada are "restricted" since you need an FAC to get one, eh? Pistols more so because special rules apply to them, plus they are registered.
Long rifles were "registered" at HUGE cost and ZERO benifit. Still are "restricted" by FAC's of course.
Tasers are rare, it's true. Usually drug dealers use them on each other.
"Bear Spray" is common around here! It's illegal to buy "personal" defences but one can buy "bear spray" which is the same thing, in a BIG can!
The Native Youth Gangs like it since Bear Spray is common on the reserves (where, you know, it's used -on bears-!) and they can just steal it from their families and bring it to the city... |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 8:33:23 AM
[quote"> People on the left have pointed out that fighting government tyranny would be an extreme scenario (yet it has happened but not very often)[/quote">
Now that I think about it though |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 6:51:30 AM
Also, there is no meaningful way to compare the "data" presented in that cartoon. Average deaths vs. average homicides? That's not a fair comparison. And what is "Mass shootings - 18" anyway, the average homicides per year from mass shootings? This cartoon is flame-bait, plain and simple. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 5:57:25 AM
It's not "paranoia" it's a FACT (in Canada). Of course criminals still have and use ALL those "illegal" items against defenceless citizens...
LOL! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So when exactly was the last time you heard of a criminal using a taser in Canada against someone? The only time I've ever heard of tasers being used is when it's the RCMP. And pepper spray? There are ways around pepper spray laws, but also I've never heard of a criminal using it, so even if there are cases they are so miniscule so as to be of no importance. Also you're dead wrong about pistols and rifles too, because both are legal in Canada. So you're right, it's not "paranoia" it's simple delusion and propaganda. |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 5:44:57 AM
-"being harmless is a good protection"
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 trippyhippy9
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
501 Posts
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Monday, January 21, 2013 4:57:33 AM
You have to be an idiot to be against gun control.
Likewise, you have to be an idiot to think banning any kind of gun is a good idea.
Gun control includes laws against selling firearms to felons and things like a waiting period. How is that bad? |
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