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Can Texas Secede from the Union?

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kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
 336 Posts
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:19:54 AM
Can Texas secede? Of course they can, given the right political climate and public will.
It's lacking both of those just now, so the answer is no.
As has been said, the legality is about might (physical or political), not right. The US can easily grant the right should it wish as the UK have done for Scotland (and just about every other nation that was part of the Empire..."oh, you want that back...er...OK"). But without a mandate from Texans, it just wont happen.

carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6406 Posts
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:16:58 AM
We've gone thru the same nonsense with Quebec, but when push comes to shove, I think most Quebecois know that while independence works as a threat, it would not be the smartest move.
There are almost 200 nations now, compared to about half that when I was a kid. The world is brimming with little countries that have broken off or apart , many of which are in far worse financial shape as a result, but, hallelujah, now don't have to associate with "those horrible people who killed our martyr in 1657" or some such nonsense.
I suspect the blush is off that rose for a lot of them.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13471 Posts
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:58:49 AM
@QueenZira

You've nevr spoken to a person with a cokney accent I assure you they're none of the things you said.

@drawman61

WTF does that have anything to do with this? Ya European countries never did that....

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6092 Posts
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:23:44 AM
America, stealing countries is our thang. F*** Yeah!

xelous
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2576 Posts
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:05:39 AM
No

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1961 Posts
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:12:51 AM
Lol Texas, the size of Myanmar but with an economy the bigger than Australia and New Zealand combined.

Roland
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 226 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 8:36:59 PM
Ok, they can't secede, but can we force them out?

mervviscious
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1807 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 8:23:53 PM
I will vote to let them...

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:55:15 PM
Oh, and we're not an entire island like that. We've plenty of people who'd be right at home in Bubbaville. We also have a couple of hundred different accents. You'd probably be surprised at the degree of variation per mile in the UK. It used to be dozens of different countries and it shows. Prior to the homogenising effect of radio and TV, just a couple of dozen miles would take you to an accent different enough to affect communication, or even to a different dialect. Even now, it's a very varied place.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:49:55 PM
We *can't* have that. An entire Isle of classy, educated, proper gentlemen/ladyfolk with nice accents is smaller than Bubbaville down south yonder? We're screwed.


One entire island, part of another and about 100 smaller populated islands off the coasts...and all together little more than a third the size of Texas.

If I recall correctly, the UK is smaller than 12 of the states of the USA. It's quite odd how much power such a small place acquired, especially as most of it was acquired by only a part of the UK (England had an empire before unification).

Having said that, Rome started off as a minor city-state that was small and sparsely populated in comparison with most *counties* in the USA.

Same background for both - attacked by everyone+dog and as a result developed a policy of "safety by conquering everywhere". The biggest wolf eats first.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:34:44 PM
Violence is ultimately the determiner of the legality of secession.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:21:16 PM
I don't have to watch the video to know the answer is no.

Here's another White House Petition you may like:
Deport everyone who signed a petition to withdraw their state from the United States of America
There are currently 25,923 signatures so the White House has to respond.

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2481 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:51:58 PM
Bummer

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10287 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:49:36 PM
Our current constitution dates back to 1876 BTW.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10287 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:48:34 PM
It's not too small to be an independent country.


The idea is absolutely absurd unless we're willing wage yet another bloody (literally) war over it. We're not people, I assure you America Texas ISN'T going anywhere (as this video obviously points out).

BTW a more accurate map of the potential "divide"

CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2994 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:22:26 PM
I love how they split off austin, lol

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:19:46 PM
Wow Angilion, you just depressed me in .02 seconds. I think that's a new record.

We *can't* have that. An entire Isle of classy, educated, proper gentlemen/ladyfolk with nice accents is smaller than Bubbaville down south yonder? We're screwed.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:11:01 PM
Texas, too small to be a Republic and too large to be an asylum.


Texas is almost 3 times the size of the UK. It's not too small to be an independent country.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:05:20 PM
As a very wise man once said, "Texas ought be careful of agitating to secede, they run the risk of the rest of the country agreeing."

Or another way of putting that, Texas, too small to be a Republic and too large to be an asylum.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:03:59 PM
Sadly it can't. But I wish it would! 39 of the bad electoral votes would go with it.

Elevill
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 43 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:51:26 PM
Wait, is this still a thing?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:34:23 PM
That would make the question a political one rather than a legal one:

If Texas declared independence, how would the USA react?

My guess is that it would be retroactively made legal in order to preserve the remainder of the union. It's unlikely that either side would want a war.

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3884 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:21:00 PM
i'm not watching this, but the answer is 'No'. If it was ever up to question, that question was resolved with the Civil War.

I'm in the process of revising a lengthy research paper I wrote on nullification and state sovereignty, and the concept of the state as an entity with the ability to outright contradict federal law died with the Articles of Confederation. The only reason it cropped up afterward is because some states were so unwilling to admit to the change in dynamic under our current constitution that they reached for a defunct mechanism in trying to oppose the feds (usually over slavery).

kitteh9lives
Female, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 1447 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:03:19 PM
Link: Can Texas Secede from the Union? [Rate Link] - Can Texas, or any other state, become independent?


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