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Spiegal's Assessment Of The State Of The Union.

Hits: 6671 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: LordJim
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Palfas
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 410 Posts
Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:54:55 AM
Hilarious and sad how the R-tards continue to behave in this thread exactly how they were described in the article.

I blame the churches and the right wing spin machine (i.e. fox news and talk radio) for this delusional hardliner stance against reason and progress.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26199 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:30:33 PM
@ccalhond: I randomly picked two bills the Repubs were said by your source to see what was what:

H.R. 2454 – American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009
Was voted against TWICE by a certain Democrat (who was the author of the other one I checked).

SO: Your source blames ONLY Repubs, but of the 40+ bills listed, I find a Dem who voted against, on my second fact-check?

PLEASE consider the source! dailykos is uber-biased and prone to repeating liberal lies as if they were facts!

Your Source Used THIS super-liberal as it's source!

If any of these bills were THAT important, why wasn't cloture invoked?
It's just propoganda for the left.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4778 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:05:06 PM
TheGuySmiley

Dagenham, you have reached Dagenham. This is your destination.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:30:11 AM
European Union isn't unified


Quite the Union so what you're saying is it's falling apart.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11683 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:11:27 AM
Nah to mind, the end is nigh

ccalhoun86
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 76 Posts
Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:31:26 AM
GOP abusing filibuster like rich abuse tax loops

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14769 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 9:29:27 PM
I'd like to take this moment to express my appreciation all of you who voted for Barack Obama.

Gee, thanks.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26199 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 7:40:55 PM
Thanks guys, for your serious replies!
However it's my bad (character count!) to not specify "when Dems controlled both House and Senate".
Naturally when the Repubs control the House, like 2011, SOME deals are going to happen.
I mean when the Dems had 60 (or 59) Senate seats and the house.

Obama had no trouble blaming Repubs for EVERYTHING before the mid-terms, even though they had NO actual power (unless a Democrat crossed the party line. Even then, it would take ONE RHINO as I've pointed out. There have to be 4-6 of them, at least!)

If his own party won't support him? Why should the opposition?

scapegoat7
Male, 18-29, Western US
 201 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 7:15:11 PM
oh, i got beat to it.

scapegoat7
Male, 18-29, Western US
 201 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 7:14:41 PM
5cats- The debt deal in which John Bohner claimed R's got 90% of what they wanted. Which pretty much means they got to keep the tax cuts for the rich while cutting programs for the poor.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3400 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 7:10:22 PM
'show us an important bill which Obama (or Reid, or Pelosi) changed specificly due to "compromise with the Repubs".'

The debt deal in 2011.

And when the Democrats controlled the House, the Republicans blocked 375 bills in the Senate.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 5:08:05 PM
Please take this to heart, Americans. Despite all your shortcomings, i would rather have America rule the world than China.

You need to get your act together fast.



This, in spades redoubled.

The USA is founded on noble ideas and generally at least tries to live up to them to some extent. China kills its own people for wanting to vote.

Ps. Kain1, I'd rather not "rule the world," imperialism turns me off. Why can't we treat each other like equals?


Because countries aren't equal and it would be a silly lie to treat them that way. The USA has more money than any other country, a lot more, so it has a lot more power. Treating other countries like equals is very likely to be patronising at best because it's so obviously false.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26199 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 5:06:20 PM
He's fighting to spend the masses of money that should belong to the masses...

If things continue (and there's NO sign it will change) Obama will have spent more than 10 Trillion in his 8 year term: more than ALL the history of the USA combined... Closer to 12 actually.

"if only people knew"...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26199 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 5:03:11 PM
Its funny that Obama continually bends to them...

@scapegoat7: Never, hasn't happened, not even once. Prove it: show us an important bill which Obama (or Reid, or Pelosi) changed specificly due to "compromise with the Repubs".
I'll wait. I've asked this question many times.
Only answer I got was a VERY trivial bill which had one timy alteration.
Obamacare? Repubs were NOT EVEN ASKED. In fact, neither were the Dems! NO ONE KNEW what was in it! ffs...

...most of us would side with him when he's right.

YES! When he's right, the Repubs vote for his bills, DUH! That's how it works, dummy.

16 Trillion in debt = right? Um, nope! And Obama wants UNLIMITED SPENDING for his last 4 years...
"fighting for the masses" = LOLZ! Like Stalin & Mao & Pol Pot did...

Thank goodness @Angilion's brought some intelligence back to this post.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 4:57:32 PM
The EU is falling apart.


The EU was never stuck together.

You want a genuinely unified Europe? Maybe in a few centuries, unless unification is imposed by force (and a *lot* of force would be required).

Take my country, for example. England has been unified for about 1100 years and it's *still* quite divided (north and south). Scotland joined the union 300 years ago because they needed boatloads of English money to rescue their economy and they're still complaining about it (and making noises about leaving). There's even some talk about Cornwall leaving the union and that goes back to the Roman occupation 2000 years ago!

Unifying Europe in 50 years? No. 500 years, maybe.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26199 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 4:55:03 PM
The republicans are extremely radical...

@ccalhoun: How very neutral and UN-biased of you!
Your ignorance is matched only by your link which proves MY POINT.
#1 The DEMS refused to compromise. How did all those other PotUS get things passed? Even without 60 Senate seats, AND a House majority? Hint: compromise.
#2 You chart PROVES the Dems refused to do so. As it shows "cloture" was SUCCESSFULLY used to DEFEAT the filibusters... like I said! (not here, I've been saying this for ages, to @HG anf @FP and others, now you too!)

...they most often have NO IDEA what to do...

Lolz! What? Adults, professionals, business persons and lawyers = have NO ideas? Wrong! The MSM refuses to TELL YOU what their ideas are, then falsly claims they've presented none! & you swallow it...



Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 4:48:37 PM
Basically, the European Union isn't unified. It's a mash of seperate countries sort of mostly agreeing in principle to work together and complaining about any kind of federal government, which is widely dismissed (with some reason) as a power-hungry undemocratic waste of vast sums of money.

Politicians in the EU generally want more unification. People in the EU generally don't. They generally want their countries to remain countries, not to lose their independence and become regions in EU, ruled from somewhere else mostly by people from somewhere else.

From my own reading, I'd say that the EU is broadly similar to the USA but with significantly less unification between the member states. There are 23 official languages (and dozens of others used quite widely) and few people self-identify their nationality as "EU" or "European".

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 4:34:04 PM
I would need an insider's take on the EU, unfamiliar ground and all. But generally I hear it's always been pretty fractious, no one can decide what to do about certain floating eastern European countries, France enjoys sticking it's tongue out at England and England characteristically throws up it's hands and says, "It's your problem, you fix it, see if I care!"


I think that's a reasonably accurate brief synopsis. The only things I'd disagree with are these:

1) It's the UK, not England. England's about 3/4 of the UK, but not all of it.

2) I think that the UK's position is more "We're paying too much (in terms of both resources and loss of autonomy) already. We're not willing to pay more, so fix your problems yourself." Oh, and we stick our tongue out back at France. It's traditional :)

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 3:27:46 PM
lauriloo: chanting at the lil' white house on the hill will be good enough.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 3:09:16 PM
@TheGuySmiley- How about we all go to your house instead and tell you to shut up and mind your own business already?

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41:56 PM
It's simple. Gather in front of the little white house on the hill; bring your friends, neighbours, the kids, invite people to join in as they visit and walk by on the street. Just chant "DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!!... " over and over again. Then grow in numbers, and continue, and don't stop. Exercise your freedom of speech, make a stand against what's become known as the world's #1 terrorist regime.. Do it for your kids, do it for your country, do it for your world. Do it for your future. Don't stop until the little white house has been handed over to the people again.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 2:34:39 PM
"Actually, it's going to take a great change in you, the people. To expect Super President-Man to wave his magic wand to make all your troubles go away is foolish at best."

Ain't that the truth. Kind of like religion, huh?

Reignblazer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2264 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 2:15:07 PM
"I believe its going to take a great leader to get us out of this mess."

Actually, it's going to take a great change in you, the people. To expect Super President-Man to wave his magic wand to make all your troubles go away is foolish at best.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1179 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 2:11:41 PM
It almost seems like someone is holding your country as a hostage, halting everything until it collapses and then saying "we told you so!"

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1179 Posts
Monday, December 03, 2012 2:09:42 PM
Bush made USA a running joke, Obama has raised your countrys credibility outside US. That is a fact and there's no denying it, no matter how ferociously you try to deny it.

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