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Mitt Romney: Why He Lost The Election

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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 3:41:45 PM
patchgrabber: From your own source,

"We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting such as that from a (redacted) service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a US aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Shaykh Umar Abd al-Rahman and other US-held extremists."

So please tell me what part of "We have not been able to corroborate"... "from a 1998, (Clinton era), (redacted) service..." Do you not understand?

So No, it wasn't specific enough.

However Gen. Petraeus' testimony today confirmed that the White House knew the Banghazi attack had "Al Qaeda involvement" and that that information was scrubbed from the CIA reports.

jacos27
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 245 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 3:34:04 PM
So pass laws that the people who vote want...? sounds like something only pooty presidents do...

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 2:46:58 PM
"Fox came along because they and other people on the right claimed the mainstream media had a liberal bias."

Actually Fox News had to create the false narrative that the MSM has a liberal bias in order to sell their sensational stories. "See the MSM isn't reporting what we are reporting. They obviously have a liberal bias." No, the other networks weren't reporting the stories because they were sensational BS. And that is why Fox News is the worst thing to happen to America. Nothing has divided America more than Fox News. And like you said soon after MSNBC followed suit and became just as horrible with sensationalism. And now CNN is starting to get into the act although they still have kept a bit of journalistic integrity.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 2:20:40 PM
"who else is responsible for them?"

The congressional Republicans who voted to defund embassy security are also responsible for this.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:42:49 PM
You know damn well that CIA report had no specific information about terrorists hijacking planes or flying them into buildings.


So a report that mentions aircraft hijacking on the front page isn't specific enough?


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:32:06 PM
CrakrJak

These same old debates are pretty pointless.

The election is over. The guy I voted for won. The guy you voted for lost.

There is no more point in conjecture. One of two things will happen, either things will get better in the next four years and I'll be right, or they'll get worse and you'll be right.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:24:14 PM
HG: Obama attempted to right the ship.


LOL! Oh poo, please tell me you don't really believe that. He's raised our national debt by $6 billion dollars and wants another $1.6 trillion before the end of the year. That's not 'righting the ship' that's firing more torpedoes into it!

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:21:05 PM
patchgrabber: You know damn well that CIA report had no specific information about terrorists hijacking planes or flying them into buildings.

Obama on the other hand DID have specific knowledge of who attacked the embassy in Benghazi and Gen. Petraeus just now testified to the fact that references to "Al Qaeda involvement" were stripped from his agency's reports on the attack.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:12:27 PM
Crakr

"No you just blame GW Bush for most things and give Obama a pass on Benghazi and the economy."

I blame Bush's administration for the massive nose dive our economy was in on jan 2009 when Obama took office? You don't?

I also blame Bush's administration for the tank of 2009 while Obama attempted to right the ship.

I don't have to blame Obama for the economy because I think it could have gotten a lot worse and I credit steps he took for mitigating the recession. I also think things have been getting constantly better since the beginning of 2010.

I don't give him a pass on Bengahzi. His administration is to blame. However I think the story is being drastically exaggerated and overblown. I chalk it up more to s.hit happens. It sucks. It is horrible people died. I just don't see a need to politicize it.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:05:12 PM
@Crakr: So then do you blame Bush for not responding to the CIA review titled: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." that he received on August 6, 2001?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 11:24:20 AM
HG: I don't give presidents as much credit or blame as you seem to.


No you just blame GW Bush for most things and give Obama a pass on Benghazi and the economy.

..then Bush is personally responsible for allowing September 11th to happen right?


No the terrorists and Bin Laden are to blame for that. I'm not blaming Obama for the actions of the terrorists, I'm blaming him for, withdrawing security from Libya 2 weeks before 9/11/12, not responding to it by way of sending in teams to attempt to rescue Ambassador Stevens and for covering it up with that stupid fake video/ protest story for 2 weeks.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 11:15:23 AM
HG: what do you think was Obama's motivation to lie if you think he did?


To cover up the lack of security he failed to provide and the inept decision to not respond and rescue Chris Stevens when there was still a chance that that was possible.

There were 2 USMC helicopter teams less than an hour away, the attack lasted for over 4 hours. Obama realized after-the-fact this was a major screw up and threw Susan Rice out to the press to cover for him.

They knew this was no protest and hoped to sweep it under the rug, but CNN got to the burned out embassy and found Chris Stevens diary 3 days afterwards.

But remember this is all a Fox News conspiracy, right?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 11:08:03 AM
CrakrJak

"Of course they are, who else is responsible except him? "

So then you feel Bush was personally responsible for September 11th?

See I don't. I don't give presidents as much credit or blame as you seem to. However if Obama is personally responsible for allowing Benghazi to happen then Bush is personally responsible for allowing September 11th to happen right?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 11:06:00 AM
Crakr

"Then Obama sends Susan Rice out to plant the cover story about that fake video resulting in a 'protest'."

Why? What possible reason could he have? Seriously? How does that make him look any better? If it was an issue with lack of security than that issue is the same whether it was planned or a a spontaneous protest right?

I don't trust him. I don't really trust anyone. However if I can't think of a reason for someone to lie I give them the benefit of the doubt.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 11:03:32 AM
HG: You really feel those are all Obama's responsibility personally?


Of course they are, who else is responsible except him? Hillary? As Obama said the other day, "Come after me" and they will.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 11:00:19 AM
HG: They certainly did not devote this much time to embassy attacks under Bush.


Because, as I just said, Those other attacks didn't result in an Ambassador getting killed. Benghazi was due to a lack of security from this administration. Chris Stevens himself begged for more security and didn't get it, in fact 2 weeks before 9/11/12, 2 security teams were withdrawn from Libya. Then Obama sends Susan Rice out to plant the cover story about that fake video resulting in a 'protest'.

At least when Nixon was covering up Watergate, no one got killed. Obama knew within hours this was an attack by a terrorist group, not a protest. Hell they were even watching it happen live on video from an overhead drone.

I guess you haven't been paying any attention to the hearings about this on CSPAN have you?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:57:46 AM
CrakrJak

"Obama failed to protect it adequately and it resulted in getting our Ambassador Chris Stevens killed, something that hasn't happened since 1979"

1. You do realize there are hundreds of embassies right? You really feel those are all Obama's responsibility personally?

2. Do you feel that this was somehow a more serious attack than the numerous embassy attacks that happened under Bush?

3. Conservatives keep making a huge deal about the video tape / terror attack thing. Why? The early information was wrong. They always said that it was still being investigated. Then after a couple weeks they reported it was a terrorist attack. What purpose would it possibly serve to lie about the cause of the attack? In your most wild, conservative conspiracy dreams what do you think was Obama's motivation to lie if you think he did?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:49:17 AM
CrakrJak

"HG: You act as though Fox is the only news covering the Benghazi attack. CNN started covering it the night it happened and still is. Are you going to say that CNN is part of the 'vast right wing conspiracy' now?"

CNN should report on it. An American embassy was attacked and an ambassador died. It is a legitimate story. However CNN is reporting it at a level appropriate in relation to the rest of the news. In 3 hours they might talk about Benghazi for 10 or 12 minutes.

FOX has been reporting it as the biggest story of the day and the main topic on the punditry show for weeks now. I watched FOX for 3 hours and they talked about Benghazi for over 2 hours. It is simply NOT that major of a story. They certainly did not devote this much time to embassy attacks under Bush.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:44:24 AM
madest: It's a story because Obama failed to protect it adequately and it resulted in getting our Ambassador Chris Stevens killed, something that hasn't happened since 1979 when another SCOAMF Jimmy Carter was in office.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:44:06 AM
Madest

"It's just stupid and now they've gone and made our HolyGod buy into their nonsense. It's shameful and it's not helping them seem sane."

Huh? I think you COMPLETELY misread my comment. I'm saying Benghazi is legitimate news. However it is a little story and the way and frequency FOX and talk radio are reporting it make it seem WAY bigger to people like Crakr.

I'm just pointing out that even when it is running news and not punditry, FOX is still insanely slanted with the stories they choose to report and the frequency with which they report them.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:42:09 AM
HG: You act as though Fox is the only news covering the Benghazi attack. CNN started covering it the night it happened and still is. Are you going to say that CNN is part of the 'vast right wing conspiracy' now?

madest:
They're gonna carve Obama's head on Mt McKinley.


Is that some sort of joke about his former cocaine abuse? Because Mt. McKinley totally snow packed.


madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:36:27 AM
Benghazi is as much of a story as the 9 embassies attacked under GWB were stories. Much ado about nothing. Republicans cut funds for the state department had detrimental effects to security and the worst happened. The people who couldn't thwart an attack in America that killed 3,000 people are up in arms because Obama didn't save an Ambassador 1/2 way around the world. It's just stupid and now they've gone and made our HolyGod buy into their nonsense. It's shameful and it's not helping them seem sane.

inaria
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1521 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:14:23 AM
If the republicans had put out a reasonable candidate people would have voted for him and he would have won by a long shot. The problem is that the conservatives are so extremist in their ideals that the middle ground people shy away from them. Even those that have more conservative ideals than liberal ones. Eg. many people are "liberal" on social views (universal healthcare, people's right to choose abortion/gay marriage etc.) yet are conservative in terms of the government's role (small government, strict capitalism etc etc). Unfortunately the Republican party is more about enforcing christian ideals than running a goverment, or so it seems at least.

And yeah american news is just shot. Well your whole government is. I guess we'll see how they work together in the next 4 years. If Repubs decide to stop immediately saying no to everything :P

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:01:29 AM
Madest

"News is news. Facts are facts."

It isn't just that. Benghazi is a story. It is. However FOX has been running it like it is the biggest story of the century. I try to flip around when I watch the news to get different views and even during the "news" segments FOX is always talking about Benghazi. It completely skews the perception on the incident's importance, which of course fits the narrative.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 9:49:25 AM
News is news. Facts are facts. If you're incapable of separating news from opinion, perhaps life is too complicated for you.

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