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Never Before Seen 9/11 COLLAPSE Footage

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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 12:58:40 PM
@Palfas:
#1 A Repub was in office, so the Dems have a "sitting duck" target!
#2 People who believe IN Big Gov't think Big Gov't IS behind everything.
#3 Show me where the political make-up up "troofers" is ANYTHING BUT highly Democrat!
#4 Lots of people believe in conspiracies, but THIS particular set has a slightly more political bias.

Look at me for example: I'm seriously "right wing" but I am a "Questioner"...

And it's 4 pages or under!

I WIN THE POOL!!!



Um, now what am I going to DO with it?

Palfas
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 410 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 8:08:30 AM
@5cats. Yeah, that makes sense, the party that disdains the federal government and sees liberal conspiracies everywhere is NOT the source of "truthers"

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, November 19, 2012 1:01:41 AM
@carmium
The wording of your demand gives you pretty much free rein to dismiss ANY expert just by claiming he's a pathological liar. I guess the onus would then be on you to somehow PROVE your claim, right?

Tom Sullivan, Explosives Tech for CDI: "Fire cannot bring down steel-framed high rises -- period."

Dennis A. Thompson, CA Commercial Blaster: "I believe now as I did when I first saw the event live on TV the day it happened, that the WTC collapse was due to Controlled Detonation."

Tim Erney, Combat Engineer, Specialized in Demolitions: "Based on what I know, looking at it from various disciplines, it's obvious that all three WTC buildings collapsed due to pre-planned, well placed, precisely timed controlled demolitions."

I know, I know... they're all pathological liars.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, November 18, 2012 7:38:18 AM
carmium: this guy: Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko

carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6406 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:36:42 PM
Find me ONE professional demolition expert who isn't a pathological liar and says it was a controlled demolition. Jeezuz I'm tired of that idiotic, utterly bogus claim.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 4:52:49 PM
"The fires burned down there for weeks"

Which is one of the things to support the possible use of thermite (or thermate) which supplies its own oxygen.

True, "not all require a 'conspiracy'" but then again, none of them precludes a conspiracy either. All possibilities should be available to an open mind, no?

(Incidentally, discussions with you are much more enjoyable when we manage to keep it civil like this, thanks)

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 3:26:19 PM
@patchy: Well thanks! I'm not saying all troofers are Dems, just more of them than Repubs.
Many of those Dems could fall into the "Questioners" catagory too (that's where I am!).

@chalket: The fires burned down there for weeks, I think you've even said that! That means they got oxygen from somewhere, the fuel was everywhere! THAT is where the melted METAL (not just steel) came from, weeks after.

>The Towers falling has been explained to my satisfaction. Sound of "explosions" = falling humans. The way it fell makes perfect engineering sense. The second tower hit & fell first? Because there was way more mass over the damaged area...
>Building 7, & Flight 93 (crashed) not so well.
>Flight 77 & the Pentagon = NOT AT ALL explained!

There's plenty of other questions too... but not all require a 'conspiracy' to resolve eh?

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 2:23:08 PM
chalket: you've got some great points. But some people are afraid of the truth. Don't worry though, they are the minority.

davymid: orly?

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 1:02:24 PM
@5Rats: A valid point, however kilns and furnaces require constant input of fuel and/or oxygen to attain and maintain those temperatures. The tower basements had neither of those inputs, yet there was molten steel at least 8 weeks later.

The fires in the Towers weakend (not melted!) the steel core

Then where did the reported molten steel come from?

Just curious, but if you acknowledge that the official story on Building 7 is questionable, why do you not at all question the official story on the other buildings?

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:42:14 PM
The fact that the towers with stood the impact of the planes is in it self remarkable.

The towers were designed for the impact of a Boeing 707. According to John Skilling, one of the two WTC structural engineers, "Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed." But, he says, "The building structure would still be there."

A 'white paper' describing the study states, "The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707—DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact."

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 12:39:51 PM
@CRAIGJ
Then there would have been some semblance of that backbone remaining standing. Even if the floors could somehow give way one after the other at literally free-fall speed (physically impossible, by the way), how did all that steel super-structure simply disappear?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 11:29:28 AM
All right @5cats, I suppose I'll take your word for it.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 10:37:51 AM
@patchy: There's literally dozens, if not a hundred polls which say VERY similar things! I'm not going to list every one of them. And from literally EVERY polling agency, not just 1 or 2.

The chart shows that "trooferism" is both widespread AND idiotic! It is, however, worse in countries other than the USA and Canada...

SO these polls which show Democrats as thinking "Bush done it!" = highly believable. Not just "way back when" but even 2011...

@chalket: fires INSIDE a kiln or furnace burn hotter than, say, a campfire, eh?
The fires in the Towers weakend (not melted!) the steel core which holds the whole thing up! With zillions of tons of weigth on top of it? It came down, destroying each floor below one-by-one.
Like @CraigJ says: it was a combination, not just "one thing".
Building 7? Not so much...

CRAIGJ
Male, 40-49, Western US
 128 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 9:34:19 AM
@chalket... If you have done so much research you would know that how the towers were constucted contributed to how they came down. The "backbone" of the towers were an interior core of steel beams the entire height of the buildings. This acted like a guide as the floors collapsed on them selves from the weight of the floor above. The fact that the towers with stood the impact of the planes is in it self remarkable. It was not "just the fires" that brought them down, it was a combination of the whole event.

UDUMASS
Male, 30-39, Canada
 61 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 9:25:25 AM
"Controlled demolition? Inside job?"
DUH! Sorry, but you're intensely stupid if you think those collapses were caused by a plane hitting the building.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 6:14:10 AM
@5cats: A Zogby poll (paid for by truthers) is not a reliable poll. The questions they asked were a joke, clearly intended to influence decisions. You can't have a question be "Some people think that blah blah..." because right there you're putting ideas in people's heads. Bad polling is bad. Your CNN poll also doesn't seem to say that Bush knew or that he did it on purpose, just that they blame him for it. Oh yeah, they apparently blame Clinton a bit too. Find better polls. And what's with that chart? It's not even people from the US...

Mrpoo
Male, 70 & Over, Europe
 141 Posts
Friday, November 16, 2012 2:40:32 AM
It's only a "controlled" demolition if you're an idiot.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:46:36 PM
@intrigid: Thanks for stupid answer #1. It's not made up, many firefighters and cleanup people reported it. Did you even click the link?

intrigid
Male, 18-29, Canada
 916 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:12:15 PM
"MOLTEN STEEL FLOWING LIKE LAVA in the basements, weeks and even months later, buried under tons of rubble where they were all but starved of oxygen. How can you explain that away?"

I dunno, some sh*thead making sh*t up? It would only be like the trillionth time someone did that.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:55:39 PM
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I've done a lot of research and I am certain that the planes/jet fuel were not enough to bring down all three buildings, into their very own footprints. No other buildings have ever collapsed straight down like that without precisely timed demolition. Traditional pancake collapses always fall to one side, at least a little, but these buildings fell right into their own basements.

One of the biggest red flags to me is the fact that most experts agree that a jet fuel fire could not possibly burn hot enough to melt steel but the cleanup crews reported MOLTEN STEEL FLOWING LIKE LAVA in the basements, weeks and even months later, buried under tons of rubble where they were all but starved of oxygen. How can you explain that away?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:18:42 PM
Feast you eyes on THAT chart! It's from 2008!
Egypt and Jordan "blame the JEWS" I understand...
But WTF is wrong with Mexico? Did they have an outbreak of "troofferitis" or something??

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:16:34 PM
@LillianDulci: Wiki Says Otherwise!
Of course you have to "think it through" Eh? Zogby Aug 2007: About 50% of Americans think Bush "had something to do with it". BUT broken down by party? 80% of them are Democrats! So that's about 40% of ALL Democrats who are "troofers"... at least as far as Bush is concerened. It's A FACT!
CNN Agrees! In a 2006 poll.
And the numbers have NOT gotten better over the years, a 2011 poll found apx the same results...


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12130 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:50:55 PM
Is no wonder the world chants "DEATH TO THE PRESIDENCY!!"

Smiley, no-one is chanting that except you. Over and over and over again.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:41:40 PM
"Many Democrats (about half, iirc...) believe Bush and Cheney "masterminded" 9/11"

Pulled that out of your ass to try to make people you don't like look bad for something that's not even true.

"They've proven over and over it did in fact get hot enough to melt steel. You guys are worse than "birthers"."

My understanding is that it didn't get hot enough to melt steel, but it got hot enough to weaken the steel, which caused it to bend and eventually snap when it was too far bent.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15084 Posts
Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:28:46 PM
Nothing new here. Move along...

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